Why would we trade for KCP, but not Dort? Both are in the last year of their deals, so we'd have to re-sign both after one year.
If Pels Trade Down to 12 and it Plays Out Like This
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06-20-2022, 02:27 PMRUFshreve
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06-20-2022, 02:31 PMDroopyDawgI would flip KCP... but would keep Dort, who we probably can't pay due to our pending cap situation (CJ, Zion and Nance all coming up). And that's probably why we can't keep Dort.Quote:
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06-20-2022, 04:07 PMAUSSIE_PELICANKCP is non garanteed or only a portion of his contact is garanteed next year.Quote:
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06-20-2022, 04:22 PMRheem654I saw this from fanspo.com:Quote:
Originally Posted by AUSSIE_PELICAN
2022 - $4,888,118 guaranteed, fully guaranteed $14 mil. if not waived on or before 6/28/2022.
I had thought it was fully guaranteed this year. So I would assume Pels would waive him to only pay the 4.8 mil. guarantee, clear a roster spot and not take on a Klutch client -- or would they guarantee the $14 mil this year to use as an expiring trade chip at the deadline? + he's a 3+D vet if he buys in to the team.
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06-20-2022, 04:51 PMRheem654
So would the Wizards at 10 be heavily motivated to move up to 8 ? I've heard they want Dyson, but seems Pels would just take him at 8 if he's there. Are the Wiz one of the teams enamored with Sharpe? He could thrive being mentored by Beal, or Sharpe could replace him if Beal leaves.
Who says no/yes?
https://fanspo.com/nba/s/pelicans/tr...-trade-up-to-8
8 + Graham + Temple (or Hayes?)
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10 + KCP (waive at 4.8) + Kispert
Wiz move up for their guy Sharpe, take a swing on Graham having a bounce-back year.
Pels move back a few slots for one of their guys Dieng or Sochan, save on future salary.
Would WAS give up Kispert? Would they require Hayes over Temple?
Would Pels even want / have minutes for Kispert?
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06-20-2022, 04:57 PMPELICANSFANIf the Wizards want Sharpe, not sure the Spurs are a concern to take him. I guess they could worry that someone could trade into 9, but the Spurs have a ton of picks already, so not sure they would look to trade down.Quote:
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06-20-2022, 05:12 PMMichaelMcNamara
Why I said a few days ago, I would be leveraging the teams who want a big more than the ones who want Sharpe. 9, 10, 11, and 13 all have big man needs. Work them against each other to get the best deal. Dont think as many are interested in Sharpe.
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06-20-2022, 05:16 PMFreyfamilyreuniAre you asking what I would do or what I think the Pels would do? I've heard they have an interest in Branham. So maybe they draft him? I haven't heard anything about their interest in Duren, Williams, or Davis.Quote:
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06-20-2022, 05:26 PMMichaelMcNamara
Good question. I should have put in there 'What do YOU do?"
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06-20-2022, 05:36 PMRheem654Okay, interesting. So I assume Duren or Sochan are the main 2 bigs teams would trade up to #8 for?Quote:
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So these teams would have to prioritize drafting Duren or Sochan at 8 - as being worth the assets of trading up for them. Rather than staying put and taking a Mark Williams still there at their pick. I can definitely see some team keying in on Duren and being wowed by the age and potential. -
06-20-2022, 05:40 PMAD23forMVP
I would probably either just take Davis or move down and get off Graham/Temple. But I don’t know how great I would feel about either. That future first would have to be real good.
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06-20-2022, 05:53 PMMichaelMcNamaraYeah, and at the end of the day, you have to prioritize what you can control. No way to know what others will do. Pels love 6 guys, really like another, and then its a bit of a dropoff for them. If the 7 you want all happen to be gone, what are you doing at 8 assuming you dont get the exact deal you want? Who would you take in that situation if you have to stay there? Sounds more and more like the answer to that question is Dieng, with Sochen in the running.Quote:
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06-20-2022, 06:53 PMRheem654Dieng is the one top-10 prospect who's expectation level could handle being redshirted / G-Leagued for a full season of development. In theory, not having to carve out a spot in the rotation for another rookie is a plus for this roster, since the minutes are pretty full as is. While still getting Dieng's huge future upside. The Dieng / Dang! puns will be aplenty.Quote:
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06-20-2022, 07:48 PMpelafanaticSide note, I don?t think it?s that serious with Klutch but also KCP aint going anywhereQuote:
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06-20-2022, 08:25 PMRheem654Interesting topic. How many teams didn't have any Klutch players on their roster last season? (Or any of the last few seasons). It is interesting timing that the one season Griff clears out the remaining Klutch clients, the locker-room flourishes and unites. Sure, Coach Green, Herb, Jose, CJ all were main reasons in the rise of # Pel Culture. But I think that was allowed to flourish by the overemphasis on character/human/team -- the exact opposite of what the Klutch agency represents in the eyes of many fans and front offices around the league.Quote:
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That being said, maybe KCP could be the vet addition to help rebuild that relationship to Klutch on a low-risk role player. As a bonus, he could be the first 3-letter initial player on the team since NAW. -
06-21-2022, 11:52 AM13 - 3
John Collins?
Someone is going to trade for John Collins and be very happy. He's really good. But you gotta start him and give him his touches to showcase that.
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06-21-2022, 01:52 PMPELICANSFANWhere would you fit him and his salary?Quote:
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06-21-2022, 01:55 PMAusPelThese low effort posts like 'adding John Collins?' really need to be auto deletedQuote:
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06-21-2022, 02:11 PMtdcreator
I'd love Collins, but probably have include a 3rd team since they will probably not want Hayes, Graham, and Temple. I'd do it if it could be for a conditional 1st next year AND Collins is ok with coming off the bench. That's a lot to ask of Collins unless we plan on moving on from JV.
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06-21-2022, 02:15 PMFreyfamilyreuniNo need to be snarky. What I meant was are you asking me to put myself in Griffin's shoes, knowing who he appears to have interest in? If so, then I'd take Branham. If I'm coming into this with fresh eyes, I'd be tempted to trade down to 12th and take either Branham or Johnny Davis, I haven't really given much thought as to who I'd like between them. I'm not really interested in a center, unless I can pull off a seperate trade and jettison Jaxson.Quote:
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06-21-2022, 02:26 PMAusPelSpeaking of the T WolvesQuote:
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06-21-2022, 02:55 PMAs I See It
If Williamson is here long-term, is, indeed, the real deal, and stays out of the infirmary. Collins would never be able to maximize his value here.
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06-21-2022, 02:59 PM13 - 3Quote:
Originally Posted by AusPel
This right here.
— Keith Smith (@KeithSmithNBA) June 21, 2022
John Collins is VERY good. He's a 20/10 guy as long as he gets just a few more shots. And he showed in 2021 that he can defend better than most think too.
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06-21-2022, 03:13 PMDroopyDawgPetty. But I like it.Quote:
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06-21-2022, 03:17 PMAusPelIt's still low effort in that you've made no attempt into explaining how he would fit - neither monetarily or roster wise - other than posting a God damned tweet about him being available. And no, this ancillary post from Shamit that adds nothing of value doesn't qualifyQuote:
Originally Posted by 13 - 3
FOH