https://www.si.com/nba/2019/08/01/da...ames-cavaliersQuote:
After a miserable exit in Cleveland, David Griffin found a new home in New Orleans where he took on the task of rebuilding Gayle Benson's Pelicans during the Anthony Davis trade saga. With phenom Zion Williamson on board and a core of veterans hungry for a playoff push, the team down in the Bayou will be one of the most talked about in the NBA this upcoming season.
Solid article and long read, but real good look at Griff.
How David Griffin Rebuilt the Pelicans and His World
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08-01-2019, 11:05 AMDroopyDawgHow David Griffin Rebuilt the Pelicans and His World
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08-01-2019, 01:01 PMSpec3333
That is one of the best articles I have ever read about the Pelz from a national publication.
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08-01-2019, 01:49 PMPels4Life
Thats a great article.. A++ to that guy.
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08-01-2019, 02:10 PMkinglio21093
Wonderful, wonderful article. I thoroughly enjoyed reading that.
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08-01-2019, 02:55 PMGuardianAngel25
Great article! We could not have hired a better person for the front office then Griffin imo. Not a single executive in any franchise I would rather have.
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08-01-2019, 03:34 PMTaker597
The Lebron pieces are pulling on the news.
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08-01-2019, 03:46 PMBiasvasospasm
He's a really impressive guy. This feels like the biggest chance around a team I have ever seen, and it's isn't just (or mostly) about adding Zion. That's cool.
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08-01-2019, 04:34 PMbahmamambathey're so mad that he criticized their precious kingQuote:
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08-01-2019, 06:27 PMPelicanidae
Great article, what a good read. Encouraging to get media press like that too, that isn't artificially sweet (there were definitely moments of addressing negativity) but which overall hits all the key beats.
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08-01-2019, 08:24 PMDarkhorse985
I love how ESPN has spun Griffin’s comments on Cleveland as Lebron hate. They completely ignored that this was a positive Pelicans article. ESPN Is taking the criticism way out of context. It is obvious that Lebron has followed the pattern of building super teams to win cheap championships since he left Cleveland the first time. Griffin was overruled by James as is every GM of the team James is a part of.
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08-01-2019, 08:39 PM13 - 3
David Griffin just said what I've been saying for years. LeBron can create a "miserable" environment for teammates/staff. Gets all the credit, no blame. AD will find out. Thank you, David Griffin.
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08-02-2019, 09:58 AM13 - 3
https://es.pn/2LVyJPz
Lebron is Shocked by Griff comments. I think Griff meant to say it differently if he is reaching out to Lebron now. Griff. Likely talking about his personal issues he was having to deal with during that time. -
08-02-2019, 10:31 AM13 - 3
Griff will be on the Jump today. Either Griff. Is clarifying his comments or ESPN(Lebron Sports Network) is making him apologize.
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08-02-2019, 10:32 AMDroopyDawg
Folks in their feelings about what Griff said. No apology needed he said what he said... its up to how they want to consume it.
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08-02-2019, 02:15 PM13 - 3
Grif is on the Jump
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08-02-2019, 03:39 PMDroopyDawg
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08-02-2019, 04:05 PMWowowowow
Once again I’ll say it if no one else will...
...Griffin, Please just shut up and GM.
Great Pelican piece. He should have left it at just that. -
08-02-2019, 04:15 PM13 - 3
David Griffin just assassinated the basketball character of the King. This is Julius Caesar come to life. More @Undisputed now on FS1 https://t.co/QANzLpWpLn
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08-02-2019, 04:39 PMDarkhorse985
Skip Bayless is a hack and should fade into obscurity. Shannon Sharpe has enough trouble forming words much less coming up with decent commentary.
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08-02-2019, 04:41 PMkinglio21093
Listen, I know Griff meant no ill intent towards LeBron, and I think he still thinks the world of him. But what's the reason for his angst in his tenure there? Because LeBron tried to do everything his way. And it's so god damn annoying that everyone is trying to come to LeBron's defense.
He may bring in the ticket sales and the publicity, but in the end, he brings toxicity to teams for his demands. And the whole League feels it. -
08-02-2019, 04:42 PMDarkhorse985I hope Griffin learned the lesson that his media discussions should now be focused solely on the Pelicans. He no longer has to be Lebron’s B****. That is AD’s job.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wowowowow
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08-02-2019, 04:47 PMPelicanidae:hihi:Quote:
Originally Posted by Wowowowow
He DID leave it at that. The piece was 90% about the Pelicans. It addressed the Cleveland time, sure, but only relatively briefly: expecting a long form piece on Griff and how he came to this point in his career to completely avoid the Cavs is like writing a biography of Karl Malone and failing to mention the Utah Jazz.
The author had to interject some Cleveland commentary, but it was minimal, and only really used as a comparison piece to the Pelicans (I wasn't happy there doing X, so now here, I'm doing Y, kind of thing). It's not Griff's fault, or even the author's fault, that Skip Bayless latches on to all Lebron criticism, that Shannon Sharpe doesn't care about anything that doesn't mention Lebron, and so on.
The piece was absolutely fine. The fact that Griff has been forced to come out and clarify is more related to the fact that it's August and the NBA is dead than to what he actually said in the piece. -
08-02-2019, 05:21 PMAD-AT
You would think by now Lebron would know to read the whole article when something gets written about him - not just the headline.
Although, I'm sure his being "shocked" was proably a media manipulation as well. I think there was definitely some blunt assessment of what working with Lebron is like, but it wasn't what ended up getting reported. -
08-02-2019, 06:16 PMbahmamambaare you really trying to explain this to a dude that has a weird fetish of hating Griffen? lolQuote:
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08-02-2019, 06:19 PMWowowowowI never said to avoid the Cavs but there’s a way to do it. He shouldn’t have given the writer any angle or the Skips anything to bite on to.Quote:
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Not to be Nostradamus, but just like week I said in another thread “what will he say next”. Think about it. In the last month he has said numerous things for hot take shows. What’s he trying to accomplish? -
08-02-2019, 06:23 PMWowowowowQuote:
Originally Posted by bahmamamba
Yawn.
Don’t care. If y’all don’t see this guys ego from a mile away, so be it. Like I said I might be the only one to call it what it is..but I follow ball closely. This isn’t Griffins first rodeo. The same thing he complains about Lebron being, in a way...he does the exact same thing. It’s hilarious at this point. -
08-02-2019, 06:35 PMbahmamambawhoa man keep your weird fetishists to your self T.M.Ihttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...e71f6ec29c.gifQuote:
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08-02-2019, 06:42 PMWowowowow
And for the record...I wanted to mention my feelings of why he’s doing this in another thread and this is a thread discussion of Griffin and I didn’t want to derail the other thread so I’ll say it.
He’s practically telling us in my opinion his motives.
Griffin wants to captain a program ala Greg Popavichesque.
I personally feel he has kinda knocked Zions status down in a way to not let Zion feel he is the Bron of the Pelicans. People say it’s to lower expectations...I think he’s very transparent if you look at everything.
I feel like since taking over, he’s made it an agenda to be on tv, write articles, and say specific things to accomplish his goal of this being HIS team. He was miserable in Cleveland because it wasn’t his team. Think about it...he’s probably the most talked about basketball exec in the league now in the span of months. -
08-02-2019, 07:04 PMDarkhorse985He also worked with the media for 2 years, so he has the connections to spread his message . He is brilliantly deflecting attention from a 19 year old kid to not let the media ruin him. He is earning his money and controlling the narrative of the Pelicans. That is exactly what he was hired to do.Quote:
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Things got out of control in Cleveland because of the Lebron media circus and an extremely egotistical Lebron. He is absolutely right in saying that was a poor environment to work. -
08-02-2019, 07:06 PMWowowowowOr he just showed Zion what he does to players that thought he was loyal.Quote:
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Take your blinders off. -
08-02-2019, 07:18 PMDarkhorse985If the guy wanted to attack Lebron, he sure as hell wouldn’t go on national TV to apologize for a an out of context comment. You are just looking to hate on a good thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wowowowow
In my opinion, Lebron is a cancer as a teammate and few have the guts to call him out for it. All he does is form super teams through tampering for cheap championship chasing. This creates an imbalance of power in the NBA. He then blames management or other teammates if they can’t win. I hope he never sniffs another cheap championship. -
08-02-2019, 07:32 PMWowowowowAre you sure about that? When he’s been on tv for just about everything else?Quote:
Originally Posted by Darkhorse985
I thought the Pelicans portion was brilliant but some of you guys are missing the obvious.
So apparently Griffin has been in the media for 2 years. He’s this master narrative controller. Right? He has media connections. Probably knows the guy at SI but this media connected guy “took stuff out of context”. Is that what I’m hearing?
So a guy this smart and already with media experience has to apologize for something being taken out of context on live tv? Is that what I’m hearing?
You know the smoking gun in the entire write up? When he just HAD to pat himself on the back about how Lebron respects him to tell it like it is. Think about that humble brag. It was UNNECESSARY.
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08-02-2019, 07:36 PMDarkhorse985
Griffin is just guilty of over sharing and being honest with the media. The SI writer (Fisher) did the classic spin comments for hot takes and click bait tactic that writers and reporters do to get attention. If anything, Griffin was backstabbed by Fisher.
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08-02-2019, 08:20 PMbahmamambaso you ask people to be reasonabl while having a huge bias of your own against the guy? most ppl here know his short comings were all just giving him a chance while you literally criticise almost everything he does but we're the ones with blinders on right? you had nothing to say until he passed on garland and then you made an account to ********** and moan and you only ever come around when topics are about GriffenQuote:
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08-02-2019, 09:26 PMPelicanidaeYou said last week ''what will he say next?!''Quote:
Originally Posted by Wowowowow
And the answer is, absolutely nothing he hadn't already said on the Woj pod over a month ago, or on the Beck pod 2 weeks ago, and in more places than that prior as well. This stuff is not new. What he said is not new. It's only being blown up now because it's August, because back when he first said it a month or more ago, nobody even realised.
I've already explained to you the concept of establishing a narrative and controlling it for yourself. Josh Hart has said the same thing about why he started his entire podcast. It's important to push the narrative you WANT to be accepted.
You said he shouldn't have given the writer an angle, or the Skips something to bite on. Have you considered that ANYTHING he said would be an ''angle'', or that Skip would have bitten on almost ANYTHING? Because that's how the media works. Even if he had refused to even address Cleveland, and said that his time working with Lebron was completely off limits, THAT would have been turned into something. If the media wants a story, they will get a story, and it doesn't matter whether the source material contains that information or not.
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08-02-2019, 09:33 PMPelicanidaeI'm not convinced you're hearing anything at all, because it sounds like not only are you not listening, you also haven't read the article.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wowowowow
Pretty much nobody is blaming the SI writer. The article was FINE. The talk about Cleveland was minimal, relatively respectful, contained fairly little in terms lf extraneous detail, and was used almost entirely to provide comparison for the new team he's working with. The writer didn't do it perfectly, he wasn't out there doing trailblazing journalism or anything, but it was fine.
The people who took stuff out of context were other journalists and TV personalities who are not news reporters but instead talking heads and gossip-mongers. It is the job of a Skip Bayless, of a Shannon Sharpe, not to report the news and be fair, but to create narrative and drama.
If you're hearing ''The writer at SI took him out of context!'' instead of ''the people who are literally employed to create drama found an opportunity to create drama'', that's because you're not listening. That's your problem, not anybody else's. -
08-03-2019, 04:45 AMWowowowowDude scroll 3 post up and read Darkhorse’s entire first paragraph and then read your first paragraph. And then read your second.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pelicanidae
You don’t get it. There’s a way to speak on things and not have ANYTHING taken out of context. That’s what media training and being savvy is about. I know what Skip and Sharpes intentions are...but this is a guy who’s being hailed as a narrative controller YET some of you can’t see that he’s controlling the narrative to be about HIM! How can you not see my argument is that if he knows what the Skip and Sharpes will do....why say anything that gets him close to the curb? What will he say next?
The fact that you bring up his woj podcast is proof of what I’m stating. He was virtually a nobody as far as everyday news go. No one cared. But once he was hired in the span of months he has been the center of NBA news circuits, apologizing on live tv, and you’re telling me the guy isn’t smart enough to know by now he’s performing under different lights than woj’s ESPN corner office?!
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08-03-2019, 08:02 AMMythrolThis 100%. The writer is the one at fault because he took minor comments made by Griff and spinning it into this headline catching nonsense.Quote:
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He certainly burned his bridges with the Pelicans organization and I bet other GMs see how this played out and the guy is effectively blackballed by any important people in the NBA unless they need a specific spin to get out there. -
08-03-2019, 08:07 AMPelicanidaeAlright, didn't realise I was talking to Rudolf Carnap here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wowowowow
I disagree with Darkhorse, and I missed his comment, or else I wouldn't have said nobody was blaming the SI writer. Read my paragraph back as ''almost nobody'' and the sentiment remains unchanged.
I don't agree that Griffin is controlling the narrative to ''be about HIM'', at all. I've listened to the Woj pod, I've listened to the Beck pod, I've read the articles, I've watched and in many cases transcribed interviews on radio, press conferences, and conference calls: that's just not what is happening.
I think you are incorrect in your subjective analysis of Griff's intentions. Feel free to disagree all you want, but if all the conversation is going to boil down to is me saying I don't see it, and you insisting that anyone who doesn't see it is a blind sheep just missing the obvious truth of Griffin's self aggrandising personal ego-quest, then good for you but I'm not going to waste any more time on it. -
08-03-2019, 08:34 AMMythrol
I don't care to get into the middle of any of this but I do want to say that no matter how careful you are with your words someone can always twist what you're saying. The only way to have someone be able to not twist your words is to not speak at all. As soon as you speak you open yourself up to misinterpretation or willful twisting of words.
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08-03-2019, 02:45 PMda ThRONe
I just wish Griffin would stop talking. I don't see much good coming from calling Zion "Draymond Green like" or his comments about LeBron.
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08-03-2019, 03:09 PMDarkhorse985I agree with this. I hope he realizes that at this point.Quote:
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08-03-2019, 03:57 PMPelicanidae
I'd much rather have Griff talking regularly, even if it does occasionally give a slow-news-day-media the chance to manipulate the odd comment here and there, than have radio silence for a decade like we did with Demps.
If the options are:
1) Complete silence. You get no interviews, no podcasts, no real pressers, no information, no TV appearances, no sideline reporting. If you want to know about your team, go take a running jump off a bridge.
or
2) Regular, consistent communication from the front office. Every now and again, the media will spin something to create a false narrative for the sake of bumping up a slow news day, but you know what's going on, you know the thought process, you know how players are progressing and the direction the team is going in.
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08-03-2019, 07:32 PMMythrol
Ironically people complained about Dell Demps lack of communication. We're like 4 months into Griff being here and people are already complaining about him talking too much. Lol.
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08-03-2019, 07:58 PM13 - 3Good point!Quote:
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08-04-2019, 01:55 AMda ThRONeMaybe I'm off but of all the complaints about Demps I don't recall his lack of quotable lines being one of them. And even if people on the board legitimately were disappointed with his lack of communication that's their fault. The min comments you make about possibly the games greatest player you have to walk back(whether it's his fault or not) days later you are doing too much.Quote:
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08-04-2019, 01:58 AMda ThRONeThere a saying a women knows within seconds whether or not she wants to have sex with you. At that point the only thing you can do is talk her out of it. I rather radio silence.Quote:
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08-04-2019, 12:28 PMTinmanThat wowowowowow fellow smells like a burning retread from the past.Quote:
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08-04-2019, 12:30 PM13 - 3Read the article again. You will find out Lebron is the one that hijacked it. ESPN is the one that came after Griff. Do you work for Rich Paul? I know if posted this crap I would be banned in a heartbeat.Quote:
Originally Posted by da ThRONe
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08-04-2019, 12:45 PMMythrolOne of the complaints I remember hearing more than once was how radio silent Demps was with the media. Actually, that was one of the main issues with how he handled the AD trade requests was forcing Gentry to handle the media instead of handling the situation.Quote:
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