If Griffin keeps gentry. Fire them both
Fire Griffin if he doesn't fire Gentry
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12-08-2019, 08:04 AMAtlPelsFanFire Griffin if he doesn't fire Gentry
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12-08-2019, 09:32 AMMount Zion
I understand your frustration, but do you really believe there is any way Griffin or Gentry gets fired? Even if Zion had been healthy and playing for the first quarter of the season, it is too early in Griffin's team plan to be firing the head coach. While I believe Griffin/Gentry wanted to compete for the playoffs this season, I think they were realistic too. Once Zion returns, Griffin/Langdon/Gentry will have an opportunity to evaluate the team, how they fit together and how they want to move forward.
I don't like losing either, especially the way they lost to Dallas yesterday, but Griffin isn't going anywhere and I don't think Gentry is either, at least until the end of the season. -
12-08-2019, 09:46 AMPelicanidaeI mostly agree, except for the section in bold.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zombiewoof
It doesn't matter if we go undefeated for 20 games as soon as Zion comes back. There's nothing to evaluate with Gentry. He is a bad coach. All us looking good when Zion returns will do is put makeup on the pig: we suck. Yes, a generational talent of a player can cover that sometimes, like Lebron's endless winning records during his first stint of Cleveland covered the despicable rosters around him, but that doesn't change the fact that the core is rotten.
Gentry's coached so many years in the NBA that his head coaching career is old enough to start learning to drive. And he has had a winning record a third of that time. With the Pels, he has a 43% winning percentage. He's a bad coach. His problems today are the same as they were three years ago. There's nothing to evaluate. Gentry needs to move on. -
12-08-2019, 10:42 AMMount Zion
I was speaking more in terms of personnel and how they want to proceed with that. I also believe that Gentry should be replaced, but I just don't see it happening until the front office sits down at (or toward) the end of the season and they evaluate what they want to do moving forward. I think they will allow Gentry the opportunity to show what they can do with the players they expected to have at the start of the season. If they show significant progress, Gentry could even be retained. If they don't, it will provide all of the cover they need to make a change of coaches.
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12-08-2019, 10:47 AMPelicanidaeWell that's kinda what I'm talking about.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zombiewoof
I'm totally understanding of the fact that the front office won't want to fire him until season-end, because the whole interim HC thing is very disruptive and it essentially means either you retain that guy (which means you don't do a full-on coach search) or you have to do 2 HC changes in one season (practically speaking) which is all very pants.
But for me, it's the ''if they show significant progress'' part that worries me. It doesn't matter what progress they show. Gentry needs to be gone from the HC position, whether they look better with Zion and Favors or not. We know that he is a bad head coach: we have over a decade of evidence to show it, and recent results do not really show improvement. You cannot allow the generational talent of someone like Zion to cover that up and just allow that rot to fester beneath the bandage. That idea that we play the season out and then sit down to ''evaluate'' Gentry is absurd. -
12-08-2019, 12:29 PMmsusousaphone
Y'all wild.
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12-08-2019, 01:29 PMEman5805
Firing Gentry mid-season does NOTHING to benefit the team.
NOTHING. Don't talk about "don't want him to ruin Zion" don't say some stupid existential mumbo jumbo.
It's catharsis.
And I won't even mention the fire Griffin nonsense further than this sentence. -
12-08-2019, 01:32 PMNola3
Jesus Christ... this place is doomed
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12-08-2019, 01:32 PMWowowowow
The elephant in the room to me is this:
If Zion comes back and we start playing well, it will come down to Zion, Ingram, and maybe a little bit of Hayes long term opinion of Gentry. It may not even be a direct verbal question but a audience psychological opinion of how Griffin and Langdon view things like communication and body language from afar between them.
Right now from my standpoint, Gentry’s gone. I don’t know what goes on in that locker room but I haven’t picked up the vibe that Gentry has their 100% confidence to the point it shines through during sideline interactions to be able to survive this. Griffin and Langdon are closer to the action than me and I think that’s what they will base it on. This losing drought to me will shine a light on those things. -
12-08-2019, 02:00 PMJJackisangryThat’s just not true. You can argue as to how much affect a new coach can have midseason, but anyone that brings structure and prevents the chaos that is currently going on in this team would be welcome. You just seem close-minded about certain things which are very logical. I’m not saying your completely wrong, but it’s unfair to impose your opinion on others as if there your truth is the only one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eman5805
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12-08-2019, 02:46 PMEman5805Please. Dudes do that all the time on here. Just trying to fit in.Quote:
Originally Posted by JJackisangry
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12-08-2019, 03:26 PMJJackisangryFair enough. I can’t hate the playerQuote:
Originally Posted by Eman5805
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12-08-2019, 04:50 PM13 - 3
Why are people defending Gentry? Do they get free tickets from him(Because they can’t sell em) or something?
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12-08-2019, 06:13 PMFedupfanNo idea. It’s one of the weirdest things. He has done nothing but lose and make excuses. The Gentry fans must know him personally. That’s the only reason I can think of.Quote:
Originally Posted by 13 - 3
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12-08-2019, 06:40 PM13 - 3
I mean I would hate to be on the sales staff right now. How do you sell a ****** product? Tell'em he might get fired at the end of the year? Do they have Lemon Laws for people that bought season tickets?
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12-08-2019, 08:26 PMEman5805I don't give two urinations about Gentry. I saw the dude in Costco one day. He was buying a printer. Dude is boring AF.Quote:
Originally Posted by 13 - 3
We will never fire Gentry midseason. Zero chance in hell. -
12-08-2019, 10:07 PM13 - 3A printer? WTF? Tell us the story!Quote:
Originally Posted by Eman5805
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12-08-2019, 10:53 PMPelicanidaeI do think that most people who are calling for immediate termination are letting themselves be over eager.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eman5805
As I've said elsewhere, the whole interim HC thing is a big pain in the neck and can even hinder the coaching search later on. So Gentry can stay for the rest of this season, for those reasons, but should be let go immediately after that. -
12-09-2019, 12:32 PMDarkHornetShow me an instance of someone defending Gentry? What I see are people who (rightly, in my opinion) are saying that the end of the season is the right time to make that move.Quote:
Originally Posted by 13 - 3
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12-09-2019, 12:40 PMPelicanidaeHe needed to print something.Quote:
Originally Posted by 13 - 3
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12-09-2019, 01:43 PMEman5805There’s nothing to tell except I’ve seen into Jameer Nelson, Cousins, Alvin Kamara, Frank Jackson, and Jrue’s wife and those interactions were infinitely more remarkable than Gentry placidly staring at printers while on the phone before selecting one. Probably went with a Canon.Quote:
Originally Posted by 13 - 3
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12-09-2019, 02:11 PMTaker597
I will only fire Gentry if he refuses to play NAW and Hayes. It's my only fire-able offense. Let him finish out the year.
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12-09-2019, 02:18 PMPelicanidaeI direct you to the fact that in the last 8 games, NAW has not played a single minute in 4 of them, and has averaged 9.8 minutes per game in the other 4.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taker597
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12-09-2019, 02:37 PMTaker597It was worse than that... up until the last few games. He was benched for about 6 or 7 games. He is letting him play. So, I'm off the fire bandwagon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pelicanidae
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12-09-2019, 02:42 PMPelicanidaeHis game log for the last 10 games:Quote:
Originally Posted by Taker597
V Golden State - 34:31
V Portland - 15:35
@ Phoenix - 1:35
@ Utah - DNP-CD
@ Clippers - 3:27
V Lakers - DNP-CD
@ OKC - DNP-CD
V OKC - DNP-CD
V Dallas - 12:00
V Phoenix - 10:42
@ Dallas - 21:29
So basically in his last ten games, NAW has registered 4 DNPs, played under 5 minutes twice, and played over 20 minutes twice.
Hooray for Gentry -
12-09-2019, 02:48 PMTaker597I wonder who forced his hand or when he started to realize giving Moore those minutes doesn't help win games or build for the future.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pelicanidae
Gentry is always like a few business days slow on adjustments. So, Idk... -
12-09-2019, 02:50 PMPelicanidaeI don't think it's a case of anyone forcing his hand, or him realising anything tbh. I think it's just a case of him saying oh well we're losing a bunch now let's try random stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taker597
That's why we've had stuff like the 4 guards + Melli lineup. It's not cause Gentry has any great tactical reason for it, he hasn't figured anything out, he's just throwing stuff at the wall and hoping it sticks. -
12-09-2019, 03:04 PMTaker597Quote:
Originally Posted by Pelicanidae
Isn't it crazy how winning a bunch of crazy unsustainable close 50/50 games and ridiculous comebacks two years ago just comes full circle. Sooner or later, the luck runs out. Then, you get wild stuff like 4 guards and a rookie PF being the worst defensive lineup in the league. Gentry is done. If we could find a good developmental coach mid-season... I rather just wait and mull our options. If we could get Stackhouse in the off season. I think he would be the perfect coach with a young team to grow and develop with at the moment. Enjoy watching Vandy in 4 games that I've watched.