2022 NBA Draft Lottery

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

People rarely ever want to give up assets because at this time of their career, a lot of these guys seem to be on the same or a similar tier. But history says they won’t be.

JJJ, Mo, and Wendell Carter we’re all on a similar tier. Lillard, Waiters, and Rivers. Tatum and the guy who went 4th from Kansas (blanking on name) were interchangeably 3 and 4 on all mocks

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Knew the initials were JJ, but had to look it up. Josh Jackson

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Originally Posted by AusPel

Knew the initials were JJ but had to look it up. Josh Jackson

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Exactly. A lot of people had him above Tatum just a few years ago. Today, we can’t remember his name. “Same tier”

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Originally Posted by RUFshreve

I just can't see Murray falling past Portland, so if that's the guy Griff really wants, I feel like he would have to trade up. I like Murray alot as a prospect, but I'm not sure if I'd wanna give up many assets to move up for him, considering I also really like some of the guards/wings who will be on the board at 8.

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I agree, I don't see Murray falling to us. What would you consider a fair trade to move up to get him?

Post your reaction if the Pels draft AJ Griffin at #8 ....

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

People rarely ever want to give up assets because at this time of their career, a lot of these guys seem to be on the same or a similar tier. But history says they won?t be.

JJJ, Mo, and Wendell Carter we?re all on a similar tier. Lillard, Waiters, and Rivers. Tatum and the guy who went 4th from Kansas (blanking on name) were interchangeably 3 and 4 on all mocks

History says that the outcomes will vary wildly. And this is where FOs gotta make their money. You gotta look at the same tier and identify the one that will outperform and go get him. Don?t sit and wait. I would go get my guy and for me it is Sharpe

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You are thinking of Josh Jackson. I can recall you were really high on him. These drafts are crapshoots

The fact that I don’t even remember the guy and you remember how I felt about him….I don’t even know how to process that. Like, I am sure you are right, but why you would know or remember that is beyond me. Can you help me recall who my 4th grade teacher was? Lol

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

The fact that I don’t even remember the guy and you remember how I felt about him….I don’t even know how to process that. Like, I am sure you are right, but why you would know or remember that is beyond me. Can you help me recall who my 4th grade teacher was? Lol

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I have a weird selective memory lol like I can remember Shamit Dua hating the Lakers trade and not being a fan of BI at all when we first got him. Also I remember Ryan Schwan rap verse and you guys hoping we trade for Eric Bledsoe when Boogie was at his wedding lol

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Originally Posted by Silverfoxx

I have a weird selective memory lol like I can remember Shamit Dua hating the Lakers trade and not being a fan of BI at all when we first got him. Also I remember Ryan Schwan rap verse and you guys hoping we trade for Eric Bledsoe when Boogie was at his wedding lol

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You ever remember when someone else is right or are you just a hater who likes to highlight peoples failures? :hihi:

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Originally Posted by Freyfamilyreuni

I agree, I don't see Murray falling to us. What would you consider a fair trade to move up to get him?

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I'd give up a Bucks first and #8 to move up to pick #6 or #7 to get Murray. That's probably about it. For Sharpe or Ivey, we can talk about the Pels and Lakers first rounders.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

You ever remember when someone else is right or are you just a hater who likes to highlight peoples failures? :hihi:

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Lol maybe it's both Mac. This just shows I respect you guys info so no pressure.

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Originally Posted by Silverfoxx

Lol maybe it's both Mac. This just shows I respect you guys info so no pressure.

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They also rated Kevin Knox too lol.

Now, I KNOW I never loved Knox. I have had some great draft hits, and some bad misses (loved Kris Dunn and didnt like Jaylen Brown at all). I have gotten better in recent years and it has because I have realized the second contract is the issue. It places a timeline on the pick and the guy has to hit big or be gone, and because of that you gotta look for guys who can impact the games in multiple ways. A guy who is versatile on both sides in the ways he can impact a game, has high character, and real room to grow in a specific way. You cant take a guy like AJ Griffin who only impacts the game in one way currently and just hope everything grows. You take a guy like Daniels who has the size, the in between game, can grab 18 rebs in a game, can meet guys at the rim, can switch multiple positions, can be a good secondary playmaker, and just needs to make his shot more conisitant to unlock everything and be the NBA's version of a 5 tool player

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

Now, I KNOW I never loved Knox. I have had some great draft hits, and some bad misses (loved Kris Dunn and didnt like Jaylen Brown at all). I have gotten better in recent years and it has because I have realized the second contract is the issue. It places a timeline on the pick and the guy has to hit big or be gone, and because of that you gotta look for guys who can impact the games in multiple ways. A guy who is versatile on both sides in the ways he can impact a game, has high character, and real room to grow in a specific way. You cant take a guy like AJ Griffin who only impacts the game in one way currently and just hope everything grows. You take a guy like Daniels who has the size, the in between game, can grab 18 rebs in a game, can meet guys at the rim, can switch multiple positions, can be a good secondary playmaker, and just needs to make his shot more conisitant to unlock everything and be the NBA's version of a 5 tool player

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I'm gonna be so disappointed when we skip on Daniels for Mathurin

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Originally Posted by AusPel

I'm gonna be so disappointed when we skip on Daniels for Mathurin

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I'm set on Daniels, too. But Mathurin would be great, too, in a different way. If both are there at #8, that would mean someone like AJ Griffin, Sochan, or Duren jumped up to the top 7. Interesting scenario.

Side note -- could Malaki Brahnam be a super-riser and be the surprise pick at #8 ? He checks all the boxes, like a more athletic, better-shooting NAW.

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Originally Posted by Rheem654

I'm set on Daniels, too. But Mathurin would be great, too, in a different way. If both are there at #8, that would mean someone like AJ Griffin, Sochan, or Duren jumped up to the top 7. Interesting scenario.

Side note -- could Malaki Brahnam be a super-riser and be the surprise pick at #8 ? He checks all the boxes, like a more athletic, better-shooting NAW.

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A difference is that Branham is an awesome finisher. Great percentages everywhere. I don't think he's shown the same passing flashes that made NAW interesting, but in terms of dribble game and size, pretty similar and he is as good a shooter and at-rim finisher as anyone in this class. I think he can also be a killer in the midrange.

don't be. you would be getting an athletic scorer who can shoot instead of someone who is isn't. while defenders are nice, the name of the nba game is scoring

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Originally Posted by Rheem654

Yea, Herb would have to continue the progress on his 3 he already started. Yea Sochan's shot is rough, but so was Herb's in college. I see both of them improving with reps and Vinson tweaks in their shot where needed. Herb / Ingram/ Murphy/ Zion/ Sochan . If Z, BI and TM improve on defense, could be ultimate switch-e'rythang closing line-up. Pels' version of "The Death Line-Up." Someone could think of some cool original nickname for this Pels line-up if it happens.

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The Last Call Lineup

So does Shaedon Sharpe's high school's logo look familiar to anyone? #Destiny #SharpeBeakedPelican (SBP)

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So it sounds like they aren’t getting much traction in trade up convos and that they are starting to lock in on guys at 8 and based on their intel on who is most likely to go top 7, Daniels, Mathurin, and AJ Griffin are the main three they are looking at if they stay at 8. Yes, Griffin. Some in the FO really like him.

Also open to slight trade downs where they could get one of those guys or Dieng or Branham, who they also like a lot. Anyway, that is the latest about three and a half weeks out. Curious how Griffin is performing in private workouts because several teams in the league really like him apparently.

Personally, I got 7 guys I would be really excited about. Of course, the Pels pick 8th. Daniels should be right there with those other consensus top 6. Just gotta hope someone else loves Duren or Griffin or Mathurin.

If my top 7 are gone, I would have trade downs lined up. And if those 7 are gone, I think I would have several buyers looking to move up for the top big as 9, 10, 11, and 13 all would have a need at center.

Also…don’t cross of Duren

Ugh

While I'm not personally enamored with Griffin, I don't really understand the amount of vitriol being directed his way. Yes, he'd be drafted more on potential than what he's shown so far, but no one seems to mind that with Sharpe or some other prospects.

As for Mathurin, I've come down off of him a good bit the more I watch him. His defense is really meh, and sometimes just plain bad. I've noticed that he also has a tendancy to put his teamates in a bad spot to avoid looking bad himself. I mean nothing major, but just little nit picks that irritate me when I watch a lot of college athletes raised on aau ball (or whatever passes for aau up in Canada).

The issue with Griffin, for me, is when his shot isn’t falling (or he is taking shots), what else is he doing? Defense, both on and off, is a negative. Doesn’t get to the line. Won’t rebound or get assists.

Preferring X guy over Y guy is not showering Y guy with vitriol. We talk about Griffin vs guys in the 15-20 range and the talk about him would be positive. It’s like if you debated Jabari Smith vs Tari Eason. You wouldn’t be hating on Eason. One guy is just better than the other. Same goes for Griffin when discussing prospects in the 6-10 range IMO

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

So it sounds like they aren’t getting much traction in trade up convos and that they are starting to lock in on guys at 8 and based on their intel on who is most likely to go top 7, Daniels, Mathurin, and AJ Griffin are the main three they are looking at if they stay at 8. Yes, Griffin. Some in the FO really like him.

Also open to slight trade downs where they could get one of those guys or Dieng or Branham, who they also like a lot. Anyway, that is the latest about three and a half weeks out. Curious how Griffin is performing in private workouts because several teams in the league really like him apparently.

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Not a popular opinion, but I would be totally fine with Griffin. He's a ridiculous shooter with a versatile jumpshot and unreal touch, and he has great size and strength for a wing. Unlike Mathurin, he has enough of a handle that there is on-ball creator upside. He has defensive possessions which are cover-your-eyes bad, but recently in the lottery it has been very hard to predict who becomes a good defender. Guys like RJ Barrett, Ben Simmons, and Jaylen Brown were really not good in college but have adapted just fine to the NBA defensively. Conversely, guys like De'Aron Fox, Donovan Mitchell, and Zion who were impactful defenders in college have been poor defenders at best in the NBA. It's not a get out of jail free card and you can't disregard his awful defensive movement skills, but he is so good as a shooter and has enough strength and handle a possibility exists for star upside and that's worth taking at 8. I'd be okay with Branham at 8 for the same reasons.

Less okay with Duren. Haven't watched all that much Memphis, but an undersized unskilled player who can really only play 5 doesn't seem like a great use of resources this high in the draft. If Pels draft him, I'll be hoping he's Bam but am extremely skeptical.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

Also…don’t cross of Duren

Ugh

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Oh no