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08-03-2021, 04:29 PM
Coreyinthe504

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Don't care, don't want him.

The only thing worse than us doing absolutely nothing would be to overpay for a long term contract on a mediocre player. Giving Dinwiddie $20m+ for 3+ years would be a horrible move imo. Same with Schroder, or any other mid-grade guard.

Yeah same. He had his chance.
08-03-2021, 04:31 PM
Pelicanidae

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Originally Posted by Rampart

I'm just hoping that we seem to be building right atm. If things settle down, we make the playoffs, Green is truly a realtable player's coach and people have fun here we can change the culture and reputation. This wasn't an all-in season by any means. BI and Ingram are 23/21 not 33/31. We still have 3-5 years before they start to reach their peak. If we right the ship now we can be a destination and clear our reputation by then..

Unfortunately (well, fortunately, but with the following downsides), Zion and BI are very good. So they don't care that they're 23 and 21, they want to start winning. Booker made the finals last season, he's 24: you think BI or Zion are looking at that saying ''yeah we can wait, we're only young''?

The reason a rebuild usually gives you time is that you draft some players and they're usually not that great for a few years, or they are good but super limited in impact, so you have a few years before you really need to start winning.

That is not us. Zion's up for his rookie extension this year. You want him to sign that. He is good enough to start winning now. Sadly, we don't have 3 or 4 years to hang around and try and build a reputation while we wait for Zion to reach what will be on paper his absolute peak.

Now, personally, I think the team we have is probably good enough - assuming reasonable growth from our young guys - to be a playoff team this upcoming year. Zion is good, BI is good, Graham is good, Valanciunas is really good, etc etc. But the idea that we can just cruise and wait for things to come to us is not accurate imo.
08-03-2021, 04:32 PM
PELICANSFAN

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Don't care, don't want him.

The only thing worse than us doing absolutely nothing would be to overpay for a long term contract on a mediocre player. Giving Dinwiddie $20m+ for 3+ years would be a horrible move imo. Same with Schroder, or any other mid-grade guard.

As long as Shroder is out there, I am worried. I do not want him anywhere near this team.
08-03-2021, 04:35 PM
Taker597

ATL really trying to get out of giving John Collins a max.
08-03-2021, 04:37 PM
Pelicanidae

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Originally Posted by Taker597

ATL really trying to get out of giving John Collins a max.

Apparently they offered him 5yrs/$125m and he was like ... dude... the max.

It's a real stalemate over there right now.
08-03-2021, 04:39 PM
ozwego15

Lakers right now:
08-03-2021, 04:41 PM
pelafanatic

Did they get Monk for the vet min? His off the court issues must be reallllllll bad
08-03-2021, 04:41 PM
bradael

I mean when you start the offseason with just 4 players under contract, you're going to have to go sign a bunch of players.
08-03-2021, 04:42 PM
PELICANSFAN

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Originally Posted by bradael

I mean when you start the offseason with just 4 players under contract, you're going to have to go sign a bunch of players.

Nice to get them all to come for huge discounts.
08-03-2021, 04:47 PM
bradael

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

Nice to get them all to come for huge discounts.

Miss out on initial ~12 hour frenzy of big contracts of free agency, then go to big market team that's expected to compete late into the playoffs, get more playing time due to massive roster turnover and a bunch of roles up for grabs, make yourself more valuable and get a big contract next offseason.

That along with 35+ year old ring chasers that aren't going to get big contracts anymore anyway. Carmelo was out of the league a couple years ago before Portland brought him in. Curious how he's going to accept his role with the Lakers when they inevitably bench him for significant time.

Drummond, Harrell, Schroder, etc. Often times the signings are overrated, in particular since it's the Lakers.
08-03-2021, 05:01 PM
Taker597

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Apparently they offered him 5yrs/$125m and he was like ... dude... the max.

It's a real stalemate over there right now.

Won't even give him the FA Max. Shame. RFA struggles.
08-03-2021, 05:11 PM
ragincaucasian

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

As long as Shroder is out there, I am worried. I do not want him anywhere near this team.

I swear to god, if we give Blonde Ambition Tour a contract I may sit out the season.
08-03-2021, 05:23 PM
AD-AT

So far this offseason feels like the addition by subtraction offseason. I think Griff is doing okay not to overreact to anything so far with huge deals, although he may be getting a bit too loose with the FRPs.

Because we don't really have a choice, I'll support Griff for now. Still, I think the massive hole he has had to climb out of because of his "toughen up these young kids" plan from last offseason has proved to me he was simply the wrong hire at that time. It doesn't mean he can't turn things around and learn from his mistakes, but I don't fault anyone who is skeptical of every move he makes right now. He has not earned anything close to the benefit of the doubt yet.
08-03-2021, 05:25 PM
Taker597

Dennis really taking an L for not taking that 4/80
08-03-2021, 05:27 PM
PELICANSFAN

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Originally Posted by Taker597

Dennis really taking an L for not taking that 4/80

He may have to sign a 1 year deal somewhere like OKC.
08-03-2021, 05:28 PM
hornetzplaya

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

He may have to sign a 1 year deal somewhere like OKC.

Lol again?? Nah he ain't going back.
08-03-2021, 05:31 PM
hornetzplaya

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Originally Posted by AD-AT

So far this offseason feels like the addition by subtraction offseason. I think Griff is doing okay not to overreact to anything so far with huge deals, although he may be getting a bit too loose with the FRPs.

Because we don't really have a choice, I'll support Griff for now. Still, I think the massive hole he has had to climb out of because of his "toughen up these young kids" plan from last offseason has proved to me he was simply the wrong hire at that time. It doesn't mean he can't turn things around and learn from his mistakes, but I don't fault anyone who is skeptical of every move he makes right now. He has not earned anything close to the benefit of the doubt yet.

Hence why I'm not critical on the lack of moves. If players don't want to come here, you really can't blame him. He's for sure trying. However we can be critical of his trades. His trades have been sub par besides from the JV trade. But that was to undo his mistake. So I'm waiting to see what other trades we make before the 6th or during mid season. Cause we aren't going mid way through the season with this roster for sure
08-03-2021, 05:46 PM
Pelicanidae

Lakers/Heat pic.twitter.com/CL1HodBQ7J
— Brian (@BrianJDraft) August 3, 2021
08-03-2021, 06:47 PM
luckyman

For those interested there are some summer league games tonight. Grizzlies vs Jazz playing now. I can't watch so dont know if Zaire Williams playing.

I will be watching Warriors (Kuminga/Moody) vs Kings (Davion Mitchell) later. If they play.

**Zaire Williams probably cant play since that deal isn't official yet. Dumb NBA.
08-03-2021, 06:48 PM
PELICANSFAN

Georges Niang has agreed to a 2-year/$6.7M deal with the 76ers, per @Tjonesonthenba.
— ProCity Hoops (@ProCityHoops) August 3, 2021
08-03-2021, 06:50 PM
Pelicanidae

Top free agents remaining according to Bobby Marks' new article: https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/sto...icted-salaries

PGS:
- Spencer Dinwiddie
- Dennis Schroeder
- Reggie Jackson
- Frank Ntilikina
- Elfrid Payton

SGs:
- Danny Green
- Hamidou Diallo
- Lou Williams
- Victor Oladipo
- JJ Redick

SFs:
- Kawhi Leonard
- Josh Hart
- Kelly Oubre Jr
- Svi Mikhailyuk
- Terence Davis

PFs:
- John Collins
- Lauri Markkanen
- Paul Millsap
- Jarred Vanderbilt
- Trey Lyles

C:
- Enes Kanter
- Khem Birch
- Demarcus Cousins
- Tony Bradley
- Isaiah Hartenstein

Very few names I'd be interested in at this point. Obviously a couple, but really not many. At this point seems like it's trades or nothing; most likely nothing.
08-03-2021, 06:52 PM
HornetGuru

Just find a way to land ingles or Barnes and I’ll consider this off-season a success
08-03-2021, 06:57 PM
Taker597

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Lakers/Heat pic.twitter.com/CL1HodBQ7J
— Brian (@BrianJDraft) August 3, 2021

Still a really good move to trade their pick.
08-03-2021, 07:04 PM
Taker597

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Top free agents remaining according to Bobby Marks' new article: https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/sto...icted-salaries

PGS:
- Spencer Dinwiddie
- Dennis Schroeder
- Reggie Jackson
- Frank Ntilikina
- Elfrid Payton

SGs:
- Danny Green
- Hamidou Diallo
- Lou Williams
- Victor Oladipo
- JJ Redick

SFs:
- Kawhi Leonard
- Josh Hart
- Kelly Oubre Jr
- Svi Mikhailyuk
- Terence Davis

PFs:
- John Collins
- Lauri Markkanen
- Paul Millsap
- Jarred Vanderbilt
- Trey Lyles

C:
- Enes Kanter
- Khem Birch
- Demarcus Cousins
- Tony Bradley
- Isaiah Hartenstein

Very few names I'd be interested in at this point. Obviously a couple, but really not many. At this point seems like it's trades or nothing; most likely nothing.

Going into the season with only 3 real bigs again... just Zion, Jax, and JV. Yikes. Who could we trade for that's not Lauri?
08-03-2021, 07:06 PM
hornetzplaya

I really want Vanderbilt. That man is straight Defense. And gives you a solid defensive backup to Zion. Then find a way to bring in a bench scorer. Do that and we make the playoffs as a 7th or 8th seed then we can build from there. Pending on the growth from our rookies and sophomores on the roster.

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