I wouldn't pay him $15m a year. That's for sure. Like you say, Rubio gets paid $16m a year, and while Rubio is no star, he's a much more consistent performer than Lonzo; at least he can hit his free throws, which is the least you expect from a PG.Quote:
Originally Posted by ragincaucasian
The way I see it, Lonzo is gonna get a big offer from someone. He still has all that background hype, his stans still exist swearing he's going to be Curry with Magic mixed through, his highlights still gather massive views, etc. He's a name. When his FA time comes, some desperate team will throw him at least $15m a year, and I don't think he's worth that. So unless we plan to just let him walk for that money, we trade.
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08-07-2020, 10:12 PMPelicanidae
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08-07-2020, 10:19 PMAs I See It
All this 'his shooting is improved' is a crock of .....!!! He's the same shooter he was in LA. In fact his entire stat line this year is almost identical to his time in LaLaLand.
Further, can you really have him on the floor late in close games with the ball in his hands? He's a frickin' sub 50% FT shooter and his decision-making is suspect (and that's being kind).
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08-07-2020, 10:24 PMPelicanidae
Just figured that since I had done it for Lonzo I might as well do it for Ingram, Jrue, and Zion. Bubble stats:
Ingram:
20.4 points
4.8 rebounds
2.6 assists
44.0% FG (33/75)
45.8% 3PT (11/24)
79.4% FT (27/34)
Jrue
16.8 points
4.8 rebounds
4.6 assists
58.3% FT (35/60)
41.1% 3PT (7/17)
77.8% FT (7/9)
Zion (only 4 games played, did not play this game, also very limited minutes in first two games)
16.8 points
3.5 rebounds
2 assists
58.3% FG (28/48)
55% FT (11/20)
That is, again, in fairness, Zion averaging 19 minutes a game. If you multiply his stats by 1.3 you get his per 30 numbers, which are: 21.8/4.5/2.6, which are closer to his 19 pre-bubble games in terms of numbers, although not quite there still.
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08-07-2020, 10:31 PMAs I See It
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08-07-2020, 10:38 PMragincaucasianAnd Jrue is doing that while playing All Pro defense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pelicanidae
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08-07-2020, 10:39 PMragincaucasianI think Elfrid can score more than 2 points in 30+ minutes.Quote:
Originally Posted by As I See It
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08-07-2020, 10:45 PMPelicanidaeProbably Lonzo but the fact that it's even debatable is proof of a real issue with Lonzo that some people need to admit to themselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by As I See It
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08-07-2020, 10:53 PMWowowowow
We are in win win hopefully. I’m more hoping for a non playoff appearance to see if they do the right thing and get rid of Gentry.
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08-07-2020, 10:56 PMTaker597
I'm not ready to give up on Lonzo. Much like BI and Zion. They all have come into the bubble season with issues. Ball, Ingram, Zion were all 3 playing way better before the restart.
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08-07-2020, 11:04 PMPelicanidaeSure but with Ingram you have the justification of an entire season where his play overall stepped up massively. You don't have to go ''well, there was 6 games here, and 3 games there'' with Ingram; his entire season is huge a leap.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taker597
Then with Zion, he's a rookie, and he's still at least being dominant offensively and making the right passes and reads, even if he has defensive and rebounding improvements to make.
Lonzo was terrible both of his first years, and this season he's been mostly terrible with occasional bright spots. This isn't like suddenly the bubble is making him bad but he was excellent before that; his 10 or 15 game run of good games before the season shut down was the outlier. He shot 39% from the field from the first game of the year until February 1st: the first 41 games.
Next season, he either walks or we pay him probably upwards of $15m a year. It's not ''will he ever improve at all'', because the answer to that could well be yes. The question is ''will he improve enough within the next year or two to justify committing what will probably be upwards of $50m to him?''. Which is a very different question. -
08-08-2020, 11:59 AMCreative
Good second half, finally we played some good defence XD It's not over yet :victory2:
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08-08-2020, 12:15 PMluckymanLol it's very over. It's so over brah.Quote:
Originally Posted by Creative
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08-08-2020, 01:17 PMTaker597
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08-08-2020, 01:42 PMPELICANSFANTerrible choices.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taker597
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08-08-2020, 01:45 PMPELICANSFANRidiculous. Rivers is not even close to Ball.Quote:
Originally Posted by As I See It
I agree the Pels need to make a decision on whether they can get value in a trade if they do not think he is part of the future core.
He was terrific before the break after starting slow coming off of an injury. He has been terrible in the bubble. However, to say he has not improved his shot is recency bias at best. He also seems to be using the bubble to try and work more on attacking the basket. -
08-08-2020, 03:22 PMluckymanWoj didn't say the Pelicans are interested in either of them.Quote:
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He just said those two have ties to Griffin. He's just throwing names out there on his own. -
08-08-2020, 03:27 PMluckymanQuote:
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Ok Portland just lost to the Kawhi-less Clippers.Quote:
Originally Posted by luckyman
That damn faint light keeps on flickering LOL.
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08-08-2020, 04:17 PMCreativeIt will be VERY close at the end... You will see :2thumb2:Quote:
Originally Posted by luckyman
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08-08-2020, 04:30 PMHartOfaPelicanYeah, def light at the end of the tunnel.Quote:
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08-08-2020, 05:44 PMmsusousaphone
Things get interesting.
Remember the year where we had to beat the great Spurs in the final game just to sneak into the postseason? This feels more intense. Lol