Chuck & Shaq Hit Zion Again!

At this point it feels like national media is dog piling on Zion about his weight and you can?t even say for sure that it caused his foot injury. Still, we don?t have a Moses Malone on this team. Maybe hearing it from guys like Chuck and Shaq will get through to Zion.

Chuck says he flat out cried when Malone told him he was ?fat and lazy.? But it changed his mindset in a way that hearing the same thing from others had not. Particularly hope Zion heard what the guys said about the people around you not telling you hard truths because you ?pay all the bills? when you?re a star and how success can trick you into thinking you don?t have to change anything. Worth watching?. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMsrrfabD3A

You couldn't have posted this in one of the 50 thousand existing Zion threads?

I could have but I didn’t. It’s not like we’ve got some over abundance of threads around here…

Just heard this question posed.....

If the Cavs called and offered you Evan Mobley and Sexton for zion..... do you take it?

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Originally Posted by fullcourtpress

Just heard this question posed.....

If the Cavs called and offered you Evan Mobley and Sexton for zion..... do you take it?

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Absolutely...and not look back.

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Originally Posted by fullcourtpress

Just heard this question posed.....

If the Cavs called and offered you Evan Mobley and Sexton for zion..... do you take it?

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100% yes

A lineup of JV, Mobley, BI, Herb, and Sexton would be great.

If it tastes good spit it out

That is so true if you need to lose weight.

Chuck didn’t say anything that wasn’t true in that segment. From the folks around you aren’t going to tell you what you need to hear, to who is supposed to be the Moses Malone for Zion? It’s a crap situation.

Chuck assumed Zion is overweight. Chuck assumed Zion is lazy. Chuck assumed Zion has NOBODY in his ear about what he needs to do. With absolutely nothing to back any of that up.

Chuck said beignets are just hard and dirty donuts.

Seems like Chuck doing what he usually does. Be extremely lazy with facts and run his mouth to fill air time. Because of course nobody is going to check him on any of that.



Also, some other idiot kept saying the Pelicans have the 3rd worst record in the west. Of course, they fail to mention that is also just 1.5 games out of 10th.

Open season on the stupid little Pelicans. Say whatever you want.

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Originally Posted by luckyman

Chuck assumed Zion is overweight. Chuck assumed Zion is lazy. Chuck assumed Zion has NOBODY in his ear about what he needs to do. With absolutely nothing to back any of that up.

Chuck said beignets are just hard and dirty donuts.

Seems like Chuck doing what he usually does. Be extremely lazy with facts and run his mouth to fill air time. Because of course nobody is going to check him on any of that.



Also, some other idiot kept saying the Pelicans have the 3rd worst record in the west. Of course, they fail to mention that is also just 1.5 games out of 10th.

Open season on the stupid little Pelicans. Say whatever you want.

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So are beignets healthy then?

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Originally Posted by luckyman

Chuck assumed Zion is overweight. Chuck assumed Zion is lazy. Chuck assumed Zion has NOBODY in his ear about what he needs to do. With absolutely nothing to back any of that up.

Chuck said beignets are just hard and dirty donuts.

Seems like Chuck doing what he usually does. Be extremely lazy with facts and run his mouth to fill air time. Because of course nobody is going to check him on any of that.



Also, some other idiot kept saying the Pelicans have the 3rd worst record in the west. Of course, they fail to mention that is also just 1.5 games out of 10th.

Open season on the stupid little Pelicans. Say whatever you want.

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You continue to be the most logical and rational thinker on this forum.

You know what?s crazy - if you look at his rookie season - if he looked like that they?ll say he?s in shape. Back then they were saying he?s fat. I?m done with reading the dummies.

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Originally Posted by Wowowowow

You continue to be the most logical and rational thinker on this forum.

You know what?s crazy - if you look at his rookie season - if he looked like that they?ll say he?s in shape. Back then they were saying he?s fat. I?m done with reading the dummies.

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The Pelicans PR machine not shooting it down. Hey does David Griffin know there is a Whole Foods in Metairie. He did not have to send him somewhere in Oregon. Christ even Texas has some great places for physical therapy and a Whole Foods.

https://nba.nbcsports.com/2021/10/20...an-300-pounds/

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Originally Posted by new city champ

I could have but I didn’t. It’s not like we’ve got some over abundance of threads around here…

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True.

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Originally Posted by 13 - 3

The Pelicans PR machine not shooting it down. Hey does David Griffin know there is a Whole Foods in Metairie. He did not have to send him somewhere in Oregon. Christ even Texas has some great places for physical therapy and a Whole Foods.

https://nba.nbcsports.com/2021/10/20...an-300-pounds/

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Ok. Then let?s do some simple logical math here.

Based on what I?m hearing you say, Griff sent Zion to Oregon because the New Orleans food factor. You?re using the facts given to assume the food is why. Okay let?s let that fly.

So Jen Hale said this off-season before he fractured his foot, he was in shape.

So was he in New Orleans?

Simple math here:

If he was in New Orleans = your ?New Orlean?s food too enticing? theory is in shambles. Shows he can stay and be in shape in NOLA.

If he wasn?t in New Orleans = They are reduplicating his off-season WHICH IS WHAT THEY ARE SAYING.

Wait, so Zion (as big as he was) to start the season, was in shape? The guy is out of shape, and I suppose that’s to be expected from a person like me or you (who aren’t paid millions to play a sport and be a face of a franchise), but not Zion. He has to take care of his body so much more than we do as he will be making millions off of it. I’m not sure how he has show discipline or improvement in his time away from the court, but then who here can say one way or the other if he is or if he isn’t (the team sure as ******** can’t).

The guy was sent to Portland so he would be less of a distraction to the team, and to give Willie Green one less thing to deal with in his new title. By doing that the team did him and Zion a favor (I suppose). It’s now up to Zion to figure out what he wants to do. Does he want to get serious with basketball, and get in shape in order to make an impact on the court? Or, does he want to ride it out until he can become a free agent and the. magically become healthy? The choice is his, I’m just glad I’m not the one signing his checks.

It's funny that you guys think Griffin/Pels have any say in where Zion is doing his rehab, let alone get to "send him" somewhere.

If it’s Zions choice to rehab in Portland then good for him and the team. It feels we are some Pels fans are saying “it’s okay, we have Sam Bowie, we didn’t need that Michael Jordan guy.” When they talk about Zion vs Ja.

Am I misreading that or are you comparing Ja to Jordan?

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

If it’s Zions choice to rehab in Portland then good for him and the team. It feels we are some Pels fans are saying “it’s okay, we have Sam Bowie, we didn’t need that Michael Jordan guy.” When they talk about Zion vs Ja.

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There's really nothing to be done about it at this point. It's not even like there was some discussion as to who we should draft, Zion was the clear guy the whole time. It may or may not work out in the long run, but that's not something I'd second guess. Could you imagine a scenario where we picked Ja and Zion went to Memphis and stayed healthy? We'd (rightfully) be getting destroyed in the media.

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

Am I misreading that or are you comparing Ja to Jordan?

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No, I’m saying that there are weirdos out there saying that they would still take Zion over Ja. That’s absurd talk.

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Originally Posted by ml wave

There's really nothing to be done about it at this point. It's not even like there was some discussion as to who we should draft, Zion was the clear guy the whole time. It may or may not work out in the long run, but that's not something I'd second guess. Could you imagine a scenario where we picked Ja and Zion went to Memphis and stayed healthy? We'd (rightfully) be getting destroyed in the media.

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Agreed. Even if Ja ends up the only one of the two to be an NBA Hall of Famer, you absolutely had to pick Zion if you're the Pelicans at the time. There's lots of things to second guess Griffin on. The Zion pick is not one.

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

If it’s Zions choice to rehab in Portland then good for him and the team. It feels we are some Pels fans are saying “it’s okay, we have Sam Bowie, we didn’t need that Michael Jordan guy.” When they talk about Zion vs Ja.

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I’m sure it was Zion’s decision. He can at least hang out at the Nike HQ. I did my research. Yep it looks like they do have food in Portland.

https://pdx.eater.com/maps/best-new-...urants-heatmap

Look at # 5 on the list .:hihi:

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

No, I’m saying that there are weirdos out there saying that they would still take Zion over Ja. That’s absurd talk.

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Doesn't matter. No one has the luxury of seeing the future. The pick was clear at the time. Still too early to draw a definitive conclusion.

Yeah, remember that time when we almost traded Chris Paul for that injury prone dude with bad ankles that plays for the warriors and that other guy that just came back from back to back injuries? Too bad that guy was so injury prone. It would have been a decent trade in hindsight...

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

Doesn't matter. No one has the luxury of seeing the future. The pick was clear at the time. Still too early to draw a definitive conclusion.

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No, it’s embarrassing people out there saying they would still take Zion over Ja (3 years in). It’s not even close at this point.

As soon as Zion gets his big arse on the court, it'll take maybe 3 games to remind everyone why he clearly is the #1 player from that draft.

But people have extremely short memories.

Joel Embiid played 12 games in his first 3 years.

Speaking of the Grizz, it's amazing that they are close to getting the 3rd seed in the west.... looking at there players it doesn't wow you...the development of Bane has been huge to them.

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

No, it’s embarrassing people out there saying they would still take Zion over Ja (3 years in). It’s not even close at this point.

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Easy comment to make when one player is out injured. Good thing careers are not made in 3 seasons and a player is not finished at 21.

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Originally Posted by P_B_&_G

Yeah, remember that time when we almost traded Chris Paul for that injury prone dude with bad ankles that plays for the warriors and that other guy that just came back from back to back injuries? Too bad that guy was so injury prone. It would have been a decent trade in hindsight...

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I also remember when Chris Paul's meniscus injury/surgery was going to shorten his career.

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Originally Posted by ml wave

I also remember when Chris Paul's meniscus injury/surgery was going to shorten his career.

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So we comparing Zion to Chris Paul?

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Originally Posted by PaKwAn

Speaking of the Grizz, it's amazing that they are close to getting the 3rd seed in the west.... looking at there players it doesn't wow you...the development of Bane has been huge to them.

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It kinda does. And they've won no matter who's available. Now they've lost Brooks 3 - 5 weeks. Doesn't seem to matter on a roster void of BI/Zion/Jonas level talent (minus Ja). It's not just Bane. Also Melton, Brooks, and Tyus Jones.

Then again Taylor Jenkins has coached that team for 3 years. Hasn't been musical chairs at head coach over there.

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Originally Posted by 13 - 3

So we comparing Zion to Chris Paul?

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We could, but the larger point is that nobody knows what will happen to Zion's career. Sure, he could eat himself out of the league and/or have chronic foot/leg issues. It seems more likely to me that he'll be fueled by criticism, comparisons to Ja, etc. and get in better shape. It's all a guess at this point.

If the mvp vote was today you know who might win

Ja Morant is must-see-TV and has taken over as the most exciting player in the league averaging 24 points, 6 assists, and 5 rebounds!

— Earvin Magic Johnson (@MagicJohnson) January 10, 2022

My apologies to the @memgrizz. I have slept on these brothers. I know @JaMorant is special, but I love their size, athleticism, depth and perimeter shooting. This team is a legitimate threat in the West. They have my attention.

— Stephen A Smith (@stephenasmith) January 12, 2022

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Originally Posted by 13 - 3

If the mvp vote was today you know who might win

Ja Morant is must-see-TV and has taken over as the most exciting player in the league averaging 24 points, 6 assists, and 5 rebounds!

— Earvin Magic Johnson (@MagicJohnson) January 10, 2022

My apologies to the @memgrizz. I have slept on these brothers. I know @JaMorant is special, but I love their size, athleticism, depth and perimeter shooting. This team is a legitimate threat in the West. They have my attention.

— Stephen A Smith (@stephenasmith) January 12, 2022

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Meanwhile, our guy is boarding at a "Fat Farm". SMH

The Grizzlies did amazing when Ja was out. That's not all Ja.

I'd still take Zion over Ja.

I get that instant gratification is a thing....but come on....we're all old enough to understand Zion still has way more potential to be a better player than Morant and it's not even close. It just hurts a little harsher because Ja plays a position that is a glaring hole for us. Ja has that Westbrook feel to him where he will always impress and get stats but never win much.

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Originally Posted by msusousaphone

The Grizzlies did amazing when Ja was out. That's not all Ja.

I'd still take Zion over Ja.

I get that instant gratification is a thing....but come on....we're all old enough to understand Zion still has way more potential to be a better player than Morant and it's not even close. It just hurts a little harsher because Ja plays a position that is a glaring hole for us. Ja has that Westbrook feel to him where he will always impress and get stats but never win much.

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https://www.oddschecker.com/us/insig...arty-ja-morant

https://www.sportscasting.com/ja-mor...-conversation/

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https://www.oddschecker.com/us/insig...arty-ja-morant

https://www.sportscasting.com/ja-mor...-conversation/

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Look like two very reputable sites. Keep searching for content. I love Ja, but he will not win MVP.

People called Lonzo a bust when he was 23....we see how that's going.

People didn't want us to trade for Brandon Ingram because they said his career was over at 22. Yeah.

People hated Jrue the first few seasons he was here. OK.

I could go on and on with the bad takes people make about young players......but....by all means, keep up with the cconsistency and define Zion's career while he's 21.

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Originally Posted by msusousaphone

I could go on and on with the bad takes people make about young players......but....by all means, keep up with the cconsistency and define Zion's career while he's 21.

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UMM. people aren't defining the guy we stashed in Portland by his age...they are speculating on his true worth based on his health (or lack thereof). Everybody agrees that he has a singular talent on the court which is 'off the charts'. Problem is, his ability to get on the court is highly speculative at best.

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Originally Posted by msusousaphone

People called Lonzo a bust when he was 23....we see how that's going.

People didn't want us to trade for Brandon Ingram because they said his career was over at 22. Yeah.

People hated Jrue the first few seasons he was here. OK.

I could go on and on with the bad takes people make about young players......but....by all means, keep up with the cconsistency and define Zion's career while he's 21.

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I was saying pay Lonzo and got called a troll

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Originally Posted by As I See It

UMM. people aren't defining the guy we stashed in Portland by his age...they are speculating on his true worth based on his health (or lack thereof). Everybody agrees that he has a singular talent on the court which is 'off the charts'. Problem is, his ability to get on the court is highly speculative at best.

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Curry was considered a health risk 3-4 years into his career. Embiid as well. Maybe we should let it play out a bit before making a definitive judgment at 21 years old.

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

Curry was considered a health risk 3-4 years into his career. Embiid as well. Maybe we should let it play out a bit before making a definitive judgment at 21 years old.

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He has been injured in each of his last five years dating back to Spartanburg Day High School. That's not a 'one-off'; that's a trend. You may like it, but, it's only a fact.

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Originally Posted by As I See It

He has been injured in each of his last five years dating back to Spartanburg Day High School. That's not a 'one-off'; that's a trend. You may like it, but, it's only a fact.

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That's neat but I don't think his broken finger last year fits into the "trend". If you want to say there's concern based on his weight/torque/etc. putting stress on his lower body, I think that's a good point and agree that we should all have some level of concern there. Saying he's been injured every year is disingenuous though, unless you also feel like his fingers are uniquely prone to breaking in the future.