4 Brandon Ingram Trade Destinations

Interesting. Some of this we knew already but worth bringing up again since the media taking a closer look at it now . The Cleveland trade would look nice. Give me Garland!

https://www.yardbarker.com/nba/artic...17201_40295812

The Hawks one is very possible

They Have Two Point Guards (Trae,Murray) and will be looking to trade one

What about Donovan Mitchell if he is leaving..offer Ingram in a package for him [he would have to want to re sign here obviously]

The Magic - I don't see it. They need guards and Ingram doesn't help their spacing issues

Kings- Unless Keegan Murray is coming, pass

Two of the suggestions in that article don't even have ideas. They're just like ''he could go to Orlando or Sacramento, I guess, if something happened.''

Like yeah, that's true of every team. Top tier journalism. At least the CLE and ATL examples had some ideas of how that could work.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Two of the suggestions in that article don't even have ideas. They're just like ''he could go to Orlando or Sacramento, I guess, if something happened.''

Like yeah, that's true of every team. Top tier journalism. At least the CLE and ATL examples had some ideas of how that could work.

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Welcome to the offseason. The trade machine is activated!

Just want to shim in on Ingram. If we sign him and decide to keep him that will only stunt Trey from reaching his full potential. Trey is not a bench player and I don't see him wanting to sit behind a guy he knows he's better than.

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Originally Posted by stevemadden504

Just want to shim in on Ingram. If we sign him and decide to keep him that will only stunt Trey from reaching his full potential. Trey is not a bench player and I don't see him wanting to sit behind a guy he knows he's better than.

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Trey is better than Ingram? And why can't he start at the 2? He does exactly what you want a shooting guard to do, and he has size.

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Originally Posted by Nichols

Trey is better than Ingram? And why can't he start at the 2? He does exactly what you want a shooting guard to do, and he has size.

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We've had this conversation a bunch, but here's why.

CJ is not going to the bench. If Ingram remains, he is not going to the bench. Zion is not going to the bench. You need a C, so that's 4 spots taken.

If your remaining spot is taken by Trey, you must bench Herb and then you have a starting lineup devoid of high end defensive talent.

So Trey gets stuck on the bench. And this isn't us speculating about what might happen, this is what Willie Green has been doing, so we've seen it be reality. No use in saying it might not happen, we know it has in the past and Green has not shown a willingness to change his ways thus far as a coach.

The belief is that while Trey is not better than BI now in a vacuum, he has the potential to be better within a year or two, because while he lacks BI's self-creation in the midrange, he's a considerably more efficient shooter and his shot profile is better than BI's, and he's shown flashes of improvement in other areas too. Because he's younger, cheaper, and his game has a better fit with Zion, you want to see if you can maximise him and preferably, maximise his time alongside Zion, which in a perfect world means starting.

The fact that he's not as good as Ingram in a vacuum right now is less important than the fact that seems to fit a better modern dynamic offense in a team concept. When you combine that with the fact that he may be better than Ingram relatively soon, it all comes together.

That is not going to happen as long as Ingram is on this team.

And that was before it turned out that Herb is a better 3pt shooter than BI too

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Originally Posted by Nichols

Trey is better than Ingram? And why can't he start at the 2? He does exactly what you want a shooting guard to do, and he has size.

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I'm actually ok with CJ at the 2 mostly being used as a spot up shooter.

PG
SG CJ
SF Herb
Pf Zion
C

Ingram inability and refusal to shoot 3s doesn't create spacing on the floor for Zion, Trey does and coming into next season I expect Trey to develop a mid range game off the dribble.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

We've had this conversation a bunch, but here's why.

CJ is not going to the bench. If Ingram remains, he is not going to the bench. Zion is not going to the bench. You need a C, so that's 4 spots taken.

If your remaining spot is taken by Trey, you must bench Herb and then you have a starting lineup devoid of high end defensive talent.

So Trey gets stuck on the bench. And this isn't us speculating about what might happen, this is what Willie Green has been doing, so we've seen it be reality. No use in saying it might not happen, we know it has in the past and Green has not shown a willingness to change his ways thus far as a coach.

The belief is that while Trey is not better than BI now in a vacuum, he has the potential to be better within a year or two, because while he lacks BI's self-creation in the midrange, he's a considerably more efficient shooter and his shot profile is better than BI's, and he's shown flashes of improvement in other areas too. Because he's younger, cheaper, and his game has a better fit with Zion, you want to see if you can maximise him and preferably, maximise his time alongside Zion, which in a perfect world means starting.

The fact that he's not as good as Ingram in a vacuum right now is less important than the fact that seems to fit a better modern dynamic offense in a team concept. When you combine that with the fact that he may be better than Ingram relatively soon, it all comes together.

That is not going to happen as long as Ingram is on this team.

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Well said.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

We've had this conversation a bunch, but here's why.

CJ is not going to the bench. If Ingram remains, he is not going to the bench. Zion is not going to the bench. You need a C, so that's 4 spots taken.

If your remaining spot is taken by Trey, you must bench Herb and then you have a starting lineup devoid of high end defensive talent.

So Trey gets stuck on the bench. And this isn't us speculating about what might happen, this is what Willie Green has been doing, so we've seen it be reality. No use in saying it might not happen, we know it has in the past and Green has not shown a willingness to change his ways thus far as a coach.

The belief is that while Trey is not better than BI now in a vacuum, he has the potential to be better within a year or two, because while he lacks BI's self-creation in the midrange, he's a considerably more efficient shooter and his shot profile is better than BI's, and he's shown flashes of improvement in other areas too. Because he's younger, cheaper, and his game has a better fit with Zion, you want to see if you can maximise him and preferably, maximise his time alongside Zion, which in a perfect world means starting.

The fact that he's not as good as Ingram in a vacuum right now is less important than the fact that seems to fit a better modern dynamic offense in a team concept. When you combine that with the fact that he may be better than Ingram relatively soon, it all comes together.

That is not going to happen as long as Ingram is on this team.

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So, Ingram, not the guy that's actually playing in his spot, is stunting his growth?? lol. Ingram, and not his actual coach?? C'mon guys. lol Seems obvious that the simple thing to do is just start him over CJ. Also Brandon is only 3 years older. :). I get sometimes it may seem like I defend Ingram a bit much, but some of the commentary and reasoning I'm seeing in here is odd.

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Originally Posted by stevemadden504

I'm actually ok with CJ at the 2 mostly being used as a spot up shooter.

PG
SG CJ
SF Herb
Pf Zion
C

Ingram inability and refusal to shoot 3s doesn't create spacing on the floor for Zion, Trey does and coming into next season I expect Trey to develop a mid range game off the dribble.

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That's fine to expect that, whether it comes to fruition or not, time will tell. I'd prefer to start Trey at 2, CJ should be a 6th man at this stage of his career.

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Originally Posted by Nichols

So, Ingram, not the guy that's actually playing in his spot, is stunting his growth?? lol. Ingram, and not his actual coach?? C'mon guys. lol Seems obvious that the simple thing to do is just start him over CJ. Also Brandon is only 3 years older. :). I get sometimes it may seem like I defend Ingram a bit much, but some of the commentary and reasoning I'm seeing in here is odd.

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It seems like you defend Ingram a bit much because almost all of your posts are defending Ingram :hihi: it's not some puzzle as to why it looks that way

We've all complained about Green plenty, so it's not that Green isn't getting any criticism. He is, a lot of people want him gone too, but we also recognise that he just got extended so that fight has been lost already. Ingram is the one with the extension that can be avoided, so he's the one up to the plate.

In any case, no the guy starting at PG is not the one ''playing in his spot'' - that would be the guy currently starting at shooting guard. That's Brandon Ingram. CJ starts at the one and Herb, Zion, and JV have been starting at the 3, 4, and 5 all season pretty much, when healthy.

BI is only 3 years older but has 5 years more NBA experience which means he's eligible for the much larger extensions, hence me pointing out that he's cheaper. And actually 3 years younger is still younger, so the point stands even if you don't think it's massively significant.

And remember, none of these decisions are being made in a vacuum. They're all being made in the context of a team offense - one in which Zion is the best player and you want to put the best offensive fit around him. Trey fits that better than BI does. And though we've already had the massive discussion over BI's potential contract, so we won't re-hash it again, the fact is that it's also a part of the calculus you have to consider when deciding on whether you'd rather have Trey or BI going forward. Trey costs massively less now and even after his rookie extension, will cost significantly less.

So why choose Trey over BI? He's cheaper, younger, eligible for only smaller contracts, is more efficient, rebounds better, plays a more modern offensive style, and fits better alongside our best player, and because of all those factors, you also have an incentive to want to see how far those things can go. So a few reasons.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

It seems like you defend Ingram a bit much because almost all of your posts are defending Ingram :hihi: it's not some puzzle as to why it looks that way

We've all complained about Green plenty, so it's not that Green isn't getting any criticism. He is, a lot of people want him gone too, but we also recognise that he just got extended so that fight has been lost already. Ingram is the one with the extension that can be avoided, so he's the one up to the plate.

In any case, no the guy starting at PG is not the one ''playing in his spot'' - that would be the guy currently starting at shooting guard. That's Brandon Ingram. CJ starts at the one and Herb, Zion, and JV have been starting at the 3, 4, and 5 all season pretty much, when healthy.

BI is only 3 years older but has 5 years more NBA experience which means he's eligible for the much larger extensions, hence me pointing out that he's cheaper. And actually 3 years younger is still younger, so the point stands even if you don't think it's massively significant.

And remember, none of these decisions are being made in a vacuum. They're all being made in the context of a team offense - one in which Zion is the best player and you want to put the best offensive fit around him. Trey fits that better than BI does. And though we've already had the massive discussion over BI's potential contract, so we won't re-hash it again, the fact is that it's also a part of the calculus you have to consider when deciding on whether you'd rather have Trey or BI going forward. Trey costs massively less now and even after his rookie extension, will cost significantly less.

So why choose Trey over BI? He's cheaper, younger, eligible for only smaller contracts, is more efficient, rebounds better, plays a more modern offensive style, and fits better alongside our best player, and because of all those factors, you also have an incentive to want to see how far those things can go. So a few reasons.

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And your posts have a bias against him.. lets not act like other posters haven't made that clear to you. Even the non-Ingram guys have said this.

This isn't a Trey over Ingram conversation.. Unless you simply want Ingram gone lol. They don't play the same position. They have different functions within the offense. But I don't want a long back and forth about it. PG. Trey. Ingram. Zion. Center.. simple. Or if you trade Ingram, I'd still have Trey starting at 2 unless he's moved for someone better than Trey at the 2.

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Originally Posted by Nichols

And your posts have a bias against him.. lets not act like other posters haven't made that clear to you. Even the non-Ingram guys have said this.

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Way to address absolutely none of the points.

The difference, I think, is that I'm transparent about my thoughts and I also do other things.

I've been on this board a while, and though I'm not Ingram's biggest fan, I've always been up front about what I think about him and I've been honest about how that's changed over time. And Ingram is not the only thing I talk about - even now, when BI is the biggest topic of discussion, I've posted transcripts of other guys' exit interviews that I spent time on, for example: he's the hot topic, but I'm talking about the team in general.

By comparison, you act like you've got no bias, no agenda, no point of view, when that's clearly not the case. Talking about ''it may seem like I defend Ingram'' - yeah, because you do.

Yeah.. I called you MVP for a reason. This forum was a bit dry, I believe your contributions during that time helped a lot. You do other things, and you also have a bias.

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Originally Posted by Nichols

Yeah.. I called you MVP for a reason. This forum was a bit dry, I believe your contributions during that time helped a lot. You do other things, and you also have a bias.

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Which I have never denied, and whenever questioned on it, I've explained why I think what I do. You also have a bias, but you keep acting as though you're being neutral and objective about things. That's what's distasteful about it.

In any case, why would you be surprised that a discussion over whether or not to start Trey involved trading Ingram in the ''Brandon Ingram Trade Destinations'' thread?

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Which I have never denied, and whenever questioned on it, I've explained why I think what I do. You also have a bias, but you keep acting as though you're being neutral and objective about things. That's what's distasteful about it.

In any case, why would you be surprised that a discussion over whether or not to start Trey involved trading Ingram in the ''Brandon Ingram Trade Destinations'' thread?

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I guess the difference is you don't see a bias reflected in my commentary. You won't find me saying odd things about Ingram that aren't true. When he's terrible, I say he's terrible. Everything about his game that most of you don't like, I also don't like.

Your bias led you to manufacturing some odd justification for a Ingram vs Trey narrative lol.. He's stunting Trey's growth. That is comical bro. I'll give you credit for being astute in 90% of your analysis but sometimes I have to just scratch my head. We will have to respectfully agree to disagree I suppose.

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Originally Posted by Nichols

I guess the difference is you don't see a bias reflected in my commentary.

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. . . Agree to disagree on that, for sure.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

. . . Agree to disagree on that, for sure.

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:hihi::thumbup:

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Originally Posted by Nichols

Yeah.. I called you MVP for a reason. This forum was a bit dry, I believe your contributions during that time helped a lot. You do other things, and you also have a bias.

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The Ingram fans have noticeably disappeared as well.

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Originally Posted by 13 - 3

The Ingram fans have noticeably disappeared as well.

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I'm an Ingram fan and I'm still here. Maybe this was the wakeup call he needed to improve his shot profile. It isnt like he's devoid of talent.

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Originally Posted by P_B_&_G

I'm an Ingram fan and I'm still here. Maybe this was the wakeup call he needed to improve his shot profile. It isnt like he's devoid of talent.

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He needs to cut back on the weed during the season

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Originally Posted by 13 - 3

He needs to cut back on the weed during the season

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Lol

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Originally Posted by P_B_&_G

I'm an Ingram fan and I'm still here. Maybe this was the wakeup call he needed to improve his shot profile. It isnt like he's devoid of talent.

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He is going into year 9 and has never won a playoff series. The results of his current style have been laid out for him, and he refuses to acknowledge it. He's been constantly pushed to change his shot profile since he got into the league.

The one coach who focused hard on getting BI off ball and taking 3s (SVG) got fired because of a number of reasons, but one of them - according to Bleacher Report - is that Brandon Ingram really disliked him.

He has talent. I don't think anyone is denying this. But he plays a prehistoric form of basketball that does not work in 2024, and he's not even the best at that form of basketball to justify it. He's a top 60 player who would have been a top 25 player in 2003, but it isn't 2003. If he hasn't realised that by 2024, I'm not willing to pay him to see if he realises it by 2027.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

He is going into year 9 and has never won a playoff series. The results of his current style have been laid out for him, and he refuses to acknowledge it. He's been constantly pushed to change his shot profile since he got into the league.

The one coach who focused hard on getting BI off ball and taking 3s (SVG) got fired because of a number of reasons, but one of them - according to Bleacher Report - is that Brandon Ingram really disliked him.

He has talent. I don't think anyone is denying this. But he plays a prehistoric form of basketball that does not work in 2024, and he's not even the best at that form of basketball to justify it. He's a top 60 player who would have been a top 25 player in 2003, but it isn't 2003. If he hasn't realised that by 2024, I'm not willing to pay him to see if he realises it by 2027.

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I don't think he's a guy you pay 50 mil a year either and like I said, I'm a fan of his. You have to prove it in the playoffs and we see how that went. I agree with Nichols that he will likely get his max extension but hopefully, finally, he will get humbled a little and see what he needs to do to get better results. I think all players go through this albeit in different ways. Such as Jordan and Kobe trying to carry their teams by scoring an insane amount of points and it not working. Not that BI is anywhere on their level, just that all of these guys get humbled in some way and then hopefully figure out what they need to do individually to give the team the best chance at success. He seems like a humble guy. I hope for him that he figures it out.

what about Jalen green.

I've never liked his inneficient game but

he's only 22 and in the 16 games they played in April he averaged 27 pts 6 reb and 4 ast while shooting 40% from the arc. Given he doesn't normally shoot three's that well; his free throw average (80%) could be indicative of him shooting 3's better in the future

My fear is that Trajan and Grif. are noticing interest in Ingram stock is higher that they thought and they will back off from moving him. Give him the money. Simply feel his bad stats late in season could have been due to the injury he was recovering.

In my opinion the best trade option for us would be Trae Young.. I love BI and the hate for trading him has been ridiculous and embarrassing and everyone knows I was his biggest defender from the very beginning..
I just think a star PG is better for Zion than a star SF especially when we have Herb/Murphy to start on the wings who compliment Trae/Zion perfectly..
We can trade CJ and picks for another big man..
Bring Jordan Hawkins off the bench as our 6th man..
I don’t think Trae would demand anymore than BI
besides maybe some picks..
Hawks have Murray/Ingram to build around as a great fit..
Trae surrounded by shooters like Trey/Herb/Hawk along with Zion as a Guard/Big combo..
Trae would be scoring 25ppg and around 11-14 apg having our roster surrounding him..
My other option would be figuring out a way to move CJ
and picks to acquire Murray..
Trae would be my top priority to really shake up this team
like they say is the plan..

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Originally Posted by Nichols

That's fine to expect that, whether it comes to fruition or not, time will tell. I'd prefer to start Trey at 2, CJ should be a 6th man at this stage of his career.

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If we are moving BI it would be for a PG which in turn I believe we move CJ and picks for the center we need..
IMO we will land one of Trae Young or Dejounte Murray..
That allows Herb to continue to grow at the 2 spot
while Trey replaces BI at the 3..
Then we have Hawkins off the bench as our 6th man
getting the minutes he deserves while playing small ball
often with starters as well which say consist of a group like Trae/Hawk/Herb/Trey/Zion..
This also allows us to keep someone like Naji around..

Ok but what if it meant getting Trae Young.. Where we move on from CJ and go all in on a big man with draft picks.. Are team would be so young and fit so well together saving us a ton of.. Trae Young basically replacing BI potential contract.. While Murphy can be compared to replacing CJs where we save a ton of $.. Also having Jonas contract gone to hopefully be replaced by a young Center that can be had allows us to resign someone like Naji keeping Jose and being able to keep a Hawkins around when it’s time to resign him.. The fit is so perfect..

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

He is going into year 9 and has never won a playoff series. The results of his current style have been laid out for him, and he refuses to acknowledge it. He's been constantly pushed to change his shot profile since he got into the league.

The one coach who focused hard on getting BI off ball and taking 3s (SVG) got fired because of a number of reasons, but one of them - according to Bleacher Report - is that Brandon Ingram really disliked him.

He has talent. I don't think anyone is denying this. But he plays a prehistoric form of basketball that does not work in 2024, and he's not even the best at that form of basketball to justify it. He's a top 60 player who would have been a top 25 player in 2003, but it isn't 2003. If he hasn't realised that by 2024, I'm not willing to pay him to see if he realises it by 2027.

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You don't single handedly win playoff series on your own smh.. You sometimes mix in odd critiques with valid ones. How many playoff series has Zion played in? If he would have played in any, and fell short, I wouldn't put the blame on him. The days of one guy dragging an okay team through the playoffs is over. It's a team sport.

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Originally Posted by GuardianAngel25

If we are moving BI it would be for a PG which in turn I believe we move CJ and picks for the center we need..
IMO we will land one of Trae Young or Dejounte Murray..
That allows Herb to continue to grow at the 2 spot
while Trey replaces BI at the 3..
Then we have Hawkins off the bench as our 6th man
getting the minutes he deserves while playing small ball
often with starters as well which say consist of a group like Trae/Hawk/Herb/Trey/Zion..
This also allows us to keep someone like Naji around..

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That looks like an okay team. One that could make some noise, and that's about it. Considering how stiff the competition is now.