Welcome to the Pelicans, Jordan Hawkins!

Sources: New Orleans is selecting Jordan Hawkins at No. 14. https://t.co/Z8rZKX2Rl3

— Shams Charania (@ShamsCharania) June 23, 2023

Shooting!!!!! YES!!!!!!

— Larry Nance (@Larrydn22) June 23, 2023

You know our shooting is bad when one of our own players rejoices when we draft a shooter.

My pre-draft notes on Hawkins.

Offensive usage: Awesome movement shooter, will be particularly good in screening action. Solid athlete, who can attack off the bounce with simple but solid footwork.

defensive usage: Can move over screens fairly well and helps in the paint pretty reliably. Hands are okay, but active. Competent team defender.

- Great shooting form and motion. Will be a real NBA shooter from day one, from c&s, off screens, off movement, et cetera, from NBA range.
- Has a solid enough handle that he can attack poor closeouts, but isn't very advanced with it and footwork is simplistic.
- Solid athlete who uses it to compensate for mediocre finishing at the rim; will want to see improvement.
- Great FT shooter: picture perfect form.

He's a bit like Isaiah Joe from a few years ago, if anyone remembers him.

I had him in the 20s this draft. I'm not in love with the pick but it's more because of who is left on the board than Hawkins himself, he's fine and I think he will be a real NBA player.

Best three point shooter in the draft. Put him on the wing with Trey and let Zion penetrate. Rinse and repeat.

With the 14th pick of the NBA Draft, the @PelicansNBA select Jordan Hawkins (@golive23)!

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Originally Posted by mriguy

Best three point shooter in the draft. Put him on the wing with Trey and let Zion penetrate. Rinse and repeat.

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I think the team is really going to have to lean into this.

Between Hawkins, Trey, CJ, and Ingram, we have four guys who can really shoot it. Borrego's offense needs to push that - we need to be taking 35 3PAs a night.

I said this last week in response to a forum question by dae:

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Originally Posted by As I See It

I'm not Lottery interested in Gradey Dick...not athletic enough for lottery consideration for me (see Corey Kispert); only 19 YO.

To me Jordan Hawkins is Lottery-worthy....Can play on /off ball and consistently cashes in on the 3-ball and will fill up the box score (See Jordan Clarkson)

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I guess I will find out how right or wrong I am.

His off ball movement is pretty damn good. He gets into his shooting motion so fast that defenders don't have time to react.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

I think the team is really going to have to lean into this.

Between Hawkins, Trey, CJ, and Ingram, we have four guys who can really shoot it. Borrego's offense needs to push that - we need to be taking 35 3PAs a night.

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I wonder how big of a role Borrego had in this selection?

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Originally Posted by ragincaucasian

His off ball movement is pretty damn good. He gets into his shooting motion so fast that defenders don't have time to react.

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Best movement shooter in the class, hands down. Shot form is awesome. His shooting is for real.

I have some concerns about other stuff, whether it will translate, whether it will develop, so on, but no concerns about the shooting. He's gonna shoot.

I feel like this was going to be the pick even if Dick was still there.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Best movement shooter in the class, hands down. Shot form is awesome. His shooting is for real.

I have some concerns about other stuff, whether it will translate, whether it will develop, so on, but no concerns about the shooting. He's gonna shoot.

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He is gonna be coaching Fred Vinson on how to shoot :hihi:

https://twitter.com/247hshoops/statu...789009408?s=46

https://twitter.com/ritmonba/status/...500663822?s=46

https://twitter.com/pelsfilmroom/sta...202275844?s=46

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Originally Posted by ragincaucasian

I wonder how big of a role Borrego had in this selection?

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No idea if he had any at all.

What I do know is that, however many minutes he gets, he needs to be taking 12 3PAs per 100 to maximise him.

Him and Trey both need to be getting up volume.

Hawkins is Angel Reese's cousin I see

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Originally Posted by RobertM320

You know our shooting is bad when one of our own players rejoices when we draft a shooter.

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�� that is hilarious

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Originally Posted by ragincaucasian

He is gonna be coaching Fred Vinson on how to shoot :hihi:

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:hihi:

�� National Champion

⭐️ 2023 NCAA All-Tournament Team

�� 2023 All-Big East First Team

�� Led Big East in 3-pointers per game last season (2.9)

�� Owns the highest career free throw percentage in @UConnMBB history (87.2%)@golive23 is coming to New Orleans!#PelicansDraft pic.twitter.com/41I2zh20Fh

— New Orleans Pelicans (@PelicansNBA) June 23, 2023

https://twitter.com/tmetcalf11/statu...67268711956480

Jordan Hawkins is the best off-ball mover and movement shooter in this class. Great sense of speeds, willing screener, tremendous shot prep, and relentless motor.

Off Screen: 1.176 PPP - 84th percentile - 42.4 3PT%
Spot up: 1.298 - 97th - 47.1 3PT%
C&S: 1.23 - 88th - 41 3PT% pic.twitter.com/xcS2Ywwhvf

— Tyler Metcalf (@tmetcalf11) June 20, 2023

I think the thinking was we have plenty of defensive potential (Jones, Trey, Daniels) and it was time to go for pure production. I do hope he becomes serviceable on the defensive end because that is all he needs to be if his shooting translates on an NBA level. The search for the final rotation big man goes on.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

My pre-draft notes on Hawkins.

Offensive usage: Awesome movement shooter, will be particularly good in screening action. Solid athlete, who can attack off the bounce with simple but solid footwork.

defensive usage: Can move over screens fairly well and helps in the paint pretty reliably. Hands are okay, but active. Competent team defender.

- Great shooting form and motion. Will be a real NBA shooter from day one, from c&s, off screens, off movement, et cetera, from NBA range.
- Has a solid enough handle that he can attack poor closeouts, but isn't very advanced with it and footwork is simplistic.
- Solid athlete who uses it to compensate for mediocre finishing at the rim; will want to see improvement.
- Great FT shooter: picture perfect form.

He's a bit like Isaiah Joe from a few years ago, if anyone remembers him.

I had him in the 20s this draft. I'm not in love with the pick but it's more because of who is left on the board than Hawkins himself, he's fine and I think he will be a real NBA player.

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Playing a little devil's advocate on you but your notes sound like you like him more than your rankings. Like, I read your notes and I get excited about how solid he will be. In all fairness, you do keep pointing out that this is a deep draft, which explains the low rankings.

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Originally Posted by msusousaphone

Playing a little devil's advocate on you but your notes sound like you like him more than your rankings. Like, I read your notes and I get excited about how solid he will be. In all fairness, you do keep pointing out that this is a deep draft, which explains the low rankings.

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I have the draft fairly flat between 18-30.

I like his skills. I just also have very serious questions. Luckily, we're a team that benefits from his skills and doesn't really need him to do much else - which is nice, in some ways. My issue with him at #14 is opportunity cost, not the guy himself.

To me, one of our biggest needs behind health is shooting, especially 3pt shooting. It looks like Hawkins will help there and right away.He's got a very quick release and is great off ball. Looks like he's a really good fit with Zion. Now lets get some rim protection

JORDAN HAWKINS, YOU ARE A NEW ORLEANS PELICAN! pic.twitter.com/IFzLISC6eb

— Pelicans Lead (@PelicansLead) June 23, 2023

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lt6r-k9Bk6o

I actually see a bit of CJ in him. Could be a good guy for CJ to take under his wing.

3 point shooting is what I wanted most for the team to add. People say he is the best perimeter shooter in the draft, if that is true then sounds like the perfect pick

Watching the presser - Griffin has indeed mentioned the ''quality of human'' Hawkins is so, rest assured that whatever else has changed in the FO, Griff's rhetoric hasn't.

Griff touting Hawkins' ability to win ''without a traditional point guard'' as a reason he fits with our team. Presumably because we also do not have a point guard.

Trajan Langdon saying ''we're happy with our roster the way that it's set''.

Griff adds ''we came into the offseason looking for rim protection and shooting and we've certainly addressed at least part of that tonight, and if we can address the other portion of that I think we would''.

That's not surprising. They've made it pretty clear that they want to run a system that doesn't have a traditional PG. It's not so much that we don't have one and more that the current system doesn't call for one so we won't even look for one.

Well it'll be interesting how they address the rim protection issue.

Makes me wonder if they would have taken Lively if he was still there. :rolleyes::(

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Griff touting Hawkins' ability to win ''without a traditional point guard'' as a reason he fits with our team. Presumably because we also do not have a point guard.

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With point Zion initiating the offense and collapsing defenses a perimeter shooter is perfect. Even as a certified CJ defender I dont like him running the offense because he doesnt have the mindset of creating for other players.

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Originally Posted by msusousaphone

That's not surprising. They've made it pretty clear that they want to run a system that doesn't have a traditional PG. It's not so much that we don't have one and more that the current system doesn't call for one so we won't even look for one.

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Yeah Zion initiating the offense is one of the best attacks in the NBA. I dont think we need to take the ball out of his hands and give it to a traditional point guard. But when he is out (and BI as well), that is when we miss the traditional point guard.

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Originally Posted by hornetsrebirth

Yeah Zion initiating the offense is one of the best attacks in the NBA. I dont think we need to take the ball out of his hands and give it to a traditional point guard. But when he is out (and BI as well), that is when we miss the traditional point guard.

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Yeah, it's a problematic system in some ways because when it works it clearly works - point Zion produces excellent offense, that's just something evident at this point. And when he's not on ball (because you don't want to run the exact same thing all the time, and he will be on the bench at times) Ingram is very capable of running offense too.

But if they're both missing games at the same time - something that is a very real possibility - you have to be prepared for the fact that you now have a guy whose entire draft fit was ''he's the perfect guy to have around Zion and BI'', without Zion and BI. How well does the fit work then?

Even when Zion does play, Id hope his minutes initiating the offense will be kept as low as possible throughout the season for the sake of his load management. If ever a player warranted it it's him.
BI runs it great too. And due to the fact that BI is also injury prone, it is safe to say yes we need someone else we like playing pg.

Enter: Jose Albarado - his absence throughout the seasons' end is vastly underrated.
Dyson Daniels- im gonna cross my fingers and hop he finds a groove

I like this pick. Not the flashiest pick but he's a proven winner and dead eye shooter.

Few years down the road he could even be the steal of the draft since I see a mix if Ray Allen and Rip Hamilton as his ceiling.

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Even when Zion does play, Id hope his minutes initiating the offense will be kept as low as possible throughout the season for the sake of his load management. If ever a player warranted it it's him.
BI runs it great too. And due to the fact that BI is also injury prone, it is safe to say yes we need someone else we like playing pg.

Enter: Jose Albarado - his absence throughout the seasons' end is vastly underrated.
Dyson Daniels- im gonna cross my fingers and hop he finds a groove

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For load management I would prefer Zion to play 20 minutes a game and be used most effectively than to see him play more minutes and have his on ball role reduced. I love Jose as the spark off the bench for 16 min a game but he plays so fast and hard that when he gets extended minutes it seems like his impact and energy is not the same. DD has the court vision to be a good PG he just needs more confidence in his shot making, when defenders dont honor him as a scoring threat it makes orchestrating the offense much harder for him.

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Originally Posted by hornetsrebirth

For load management I would prefer Zion to play 20 minutes a game and be used most effectively than to see him play more minutes and have his on ball role reduced. I love Jose as the spark off the bench for 16 min a game but he plays so fast and hard that when he gets extended minutes it seems like his impact and energy is not the same. DD has the court vision to be a good PG he just needs more confidence in his shot making, when defenders dont honor him as a scoring threat it makes orchestrating the offense much harder for him.

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If that's happening as a rule, we're losing a lot of games that should be won.

I'd much rather limit games played than minutes - I feel like the team should be aiming for 60 games for him, using the Kawhi Leonard style method of load management. No second game of a back to backs, skip a game if there's a road trip of longer than 3 games, etc. Most stars don't play more than about 65 games a year at this point anyway.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

If that's happening as a rule, we're losing a lot of games that should be won.

I'd much rather limit games played than minutes - I feel like the team should be aiming for 60 games for him, using the Kawhi Leonard style method of load management. No second game of a back to backs, skip a game if there's a road trip of longer than 3 games, etc. Most stars don't play more than about 65 games a year at this point anyway.

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A hamstring pull can be a fatigue injury, so I understand the thinking, but I think I'm more in the school of SVG/Coach K...get him out there on the court. If he's not playing, he's gaining weight. 20 mpg is extreme to the point of being almost counterproductive but 30-32 should be manageable.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Yeah, it's a problematic system in some ways because when it works it clearly works - point Zion produces excellent offense, that's just something evident at this point. And when he's not on ball (because you don't want to run the exact same thing all the time, and he will be on the bench at times) Ingram is very capable of running offense too.

But if they're both missing games at the same time - something that is a very real possibility - you have to be prepared for the fact that you now have a guy whose entire draft fit was ''he's the perfect guy to have around Zion and BI'', without Zion and BI. How well does the fit work then?

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Don't you think that if you take the two best players off of any team at the same time the results would not be good?

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Originally Posted by ml wave

A hamstring pull can be a fatigue injury, so I understand the thinking, but I think I'm more in the school of SVG/Coach K...get him out there on the court. If he's not playing, he's gaining weight. 20 mpg is extreme to the point of being almost counterproductive but 30-32 should be manageable.

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20 mpg was an exaggeration but 30mpg limit with no back to backs is realistic. I do think we need to be extremely conservative with Z, obviously his injuries have just been ridiculous. But when he is on the court he should be used to his full potential. I dont see the point in playing him in a less effective role.

That effortless wrist flick takes a ****load ton of practice and repetition from that distance.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/JUkB036vD00

The goal should be to surround Zion with enough scoring so he isn’t getting his arse beat all game. We really need this guy to come alive a little early and I could see that happening. So we have an improved Trey, hopefully a Herb that can shoot, CJ hopefully finding a bit more chemistry with this group and an engaged Jonas in addition to Mr. Hawkins. This could be a scary team and I haven’t even mentioned BI.