BI or Zion: Who do you want the Pelicans to trade for Scoot?

Well?

Obviously my opinion on this is well known.

I'd also add that at the end of the day, it's probably not even up to the Pelicans. If Charlotte say only Zion will do it, and the team are laser-focused on Scoot, then Zion'll be the one going. If they say they want BI, then they're getting BI.

as much as I like BI, I feel like Murphy could replace him

BI is replaceable by Murphy. No one can replace a healthy Zion. A healthy Zion can compete for championships. A team with BI as the best player will never win a championship. The Pelicans cannot afford to pay BI in 2 years. Time to trade him.

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Originally Posted by Darkhorse985

BI is replaceable by Murphy. No one can replace a healthy Zion. A healthy Zion can compete for championships. A team with BI as the best player will never win a championship. The Pelicans cannot afford to pay BI in 2 years. Time to trade him.

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Bout time I got some support around here :hihi:

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Originally Posted by Darkhorse985

BI is replaceable by Murphy. No one can replace a healthy Zion. A healthy Zion can compete for championships. A team with BI as the best player will never win a championship. The Pelicans cannot afford to pay BI in 2 years. Time to trade him.

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BI is replaceable by a player that's displayed no midrange ability, limited but improving shot creation, almost no playmaking for teammates, slightly worse defense, and very limited ball handling.

Most of those abilities are not acquired by a player AFTER they enter the NBA. Their roles on the court is almost apples and oranges.

So to say Trey Murphy can replace BI is borderline assinine.

Unless this was just a troll post...in which case carry on. :D

People are saying Scoot has the speed to play well with Zion or Irma or both. But doesn't the team have a fast point guard on the team already? Kira was the fastest player in his draft.

I'm sorry but last time I checked prospects have less value than established All-Stars. So if one of them is traded there must be other positive assets alongside.

There's no such thing as surefire prospect. Just look at former number one pick Fultz. Yes Henderson could end up being a generational player but also could be on his way out of the League 5 years from now, just look at the history especially for point guard drafted in the top 10 ( just a few I have in mind : Lonzo, Dunn, Mudiay, Fultz, Burke, Simmons, Exum).

Thank you glass Ian have to type all of this

And Zion won’t win one by hisself bi is the best second option you can have put him on Boston or Miami they probably win the finals

As much as I love Zion potential he is the only player on the team you question buy in his focus doesn’t seem set on being great I can’t say that about bi he’s not trade able

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Originally Posted by luckyman

BI is replaceable by a player that's displayed no midrange ability, limited but improving shot creation, almost no playmaking for teammates, slightly worse defense, and very limited ball handling.

Most of those abilities are not acquired by a player AFTER they enter the NBA. Their roles on the court is almost apples and oranges.

So to say Trey Murphy can replace BI is borderline assinine.

Unless this was just a troll post...in which case carry on. :D

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See “the team cannot afford to pay BI in years,” part. Is Murphy exactly the same as BI? No. Is he a SF with all star/near all star potential and a lights out shooter? Yes. Will Murphy and Herb Jones need to be paid in the next 1 to 2 years and essentially play the same position as Ingram? Yes.

Trade suggestion:

BI and #14 for Scoot Henderson and Gordon Hayward (1 year expiring serviceable salary filler)

Lineup:

PG: CJ/Scoot (6th man until he gets experience)/Alvarado
SG: Murphy/Daniels/Lewis
SF: Herb/Hayward/Temple
PF: Zion/Marshall/Liddell
C: JV/Nance/Hernangomez

It would be nice to somehow replace JV with Myles Turner.

Nah I’m good what has Zion showed in all this time he will be unavailable I’m good we will essentially be counting on scoot to be a goat if we make that type of trade ?nd I’m not betting on that I rather keep bi Trey won’t ever be as good as bi the only reason he scored the way he did is because of the players around him Brandon is the closes thing we have to a sure thing

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Lineup:

PG: CJ/Scoot (6th man until he gets experience)/Alvarado
SG: Murphy/Daniels/Lewis
SF: Herb/Hayward/Temple
PF: Zion/Marshall/Liddell
C: JV/Nance/Hernangomez

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PG: We've already been through the "CJ PG Experiment". Thanks, but no thanks.
SG: In no way, shape, or form can Murphy replace BI's playmaking ability or his midrange shooting.
SF: Love him. but Herb provides no consistent scoring from the SF position
PF: In four years, if you haven't come to know that # 1 is a train wreck waiting to happen, I can't help you. Might do well for 25 games, then legs will pop.
C: Though JV would be the most consistent player for his position in this starting lineup, Willie won't play him. (Besides, he's gone pecan).

In your lineup, Scoot would have to start day one if for no other reason than to replace BI's play-making (facilitating) ability. Otherwise, it's CJ (shoot first), #1 (say your novenas) and Herb. 3M3's handles are almost non-existent.

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PG: We've already been through the "CJ PG Experiment". Thanks, but no thanks.
SG: In no way, shape, or form can Murphy replace BI's playmaking ability or his midrange shooting.
SF: Love him. but Herb provides no consistent scoring from the SF position
PF: In four years, if you haven't come to know that # 1 is a train wreck waiting to happen, I can't help you. Might do well for 25 games, then legs will pop.
C: Though JV would be the most consistent player for his position in this starting lineup, Willie won't play him. (Besides, he's gone pecan).

In your lineup, Scoot would have to start day one if for no other reason than to replace BI's play-making (facilitating) ability. Otherwise, it's CJ (shoot first), #1 (say your novenas) and Herb. 3M3's handles are almost non-existent.

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Not many rookies start on day 1, hence why I think they transition scoot into the starting role over 2-3 months, but eventually the lineup wil be:

PG: Scoot/Alvarado
SG: CJ/Hayward
SF: Murphy/Herb
PF: Zion/Marshall
C: JV/Nance

Again, I think they are looking for a more athletic and defensive center to replace JV as they should be.

If scoot is as good as advertised, this team is better than the one we have now.

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Originally Posted by smcgull

People are saying Scoot has the speed to play well with Zion or Irma or both. But doesn't the team have a fast point guard on the team already? Kira was the fastest player in his draft.

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Turns out that there are other skills in basketball, aside from just being fast.

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Originally Posted by Darkhorse985

If scoot is as good as advertised, this team is better than the one we have now.

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I feel like people are taking your point about Trey/BI a bit too literally. Correct me if I'm wrong but when you say that BI is replaced by Murphy, you just mean that he's also a high impact scoring wing at the same position, not that their game is identical, no?

Besides, people pointing out that you lose playmaking by replacing BI with Trey - sure, if the only thing that happens is that. But you're actually also adding Scoot in this scenario, who is a very good playmaker especially out of the PnR, so BI's playmaking isn't lost in the BI-for-Scoot move.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

I feel like people are taking your point about Trey/BI a bit too literally. Correct me if I'm wrong but when you say that BI is replaced by Murphy, you just mean that he's also a high impact scoring wing at the same position, not that their game is identical, no?

Besides, people pointing out that you lose playmaking by replacing BI with Trey - sure, if the only thing that happens is that. But you're actually also adding Scoot in this scenario, who is a very good playmaker especially out of the PnR, so BI's playmaking isn't lost in the BI-for-Scoot move.

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Yes. Scoot/Murphy replaces BI essentially. We also open up future flexibility as the current team as constructed has proven to be inconsistent. We are pretty much locked in with Zion/BI/CJ right now, and will have to sell pennies on the dollar next year if the team were to be deconstructed then. We also wouldn’t have a player like Scoot available to draft.

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Originally Posted by Darkhorse985

See “the team cannot afford to pay BI in years,” part. Is Murphy exactly the same as BI? No. Is he a SF with all star/near all star potential and a lights out shooter? Yes. Will Murphy and Herb Jones need to be paid in the next 1 to 2 years and essentially play the same position as Ingram? Yes.

Trade suggestion:

BI and #14 for Scoot Henderson and Gordon Hayward (1 year expiring serviceable salary filler)

Lineup:

PG: CJ/Scoot (6th man until he gets experience)/Alvarado
SG: Murphy/Daniels/Lewis
SF: Herb/Hayward/Temple
PF: Zion/Marshall/Liddell
C: JV/Nance/Hernangomez

It would be nice to somehow replace JV with Myles Turner.

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Okay that's far different than saying Trey can replace BI. He can't. That's not his skill set.

Can Scoot + Trey replace BI? That's possible down the road. But BI is still only 25 and still hasn't reached his own peak yet. He is definitely a #1 option on a contender. The type you'd prefer since he has unselfish play making skills to go with everything else.

So you run the risk of a Trey + Scoot replacement being a lateral move split between 2 players you'll eventually have to pay.

Trade Zion before BI. He is the closest thing we have to a generational player, but there are so many negatives. His availability is obviously the biggest concern. The whole thing about him not playing during the most important moments last year despite being healthy is the opposite of the mamba mentality that you want in your team leader. Plus his off the court distractions, plus he is our biggest contract and will likely prevent us from having the room to resign Trey and Herb. That being said I am still not convinced about moving on from him because he is that much of a difference maker if everything works out for the best.

Scoot and Murphy not beating no team in the west Zion is a toss up if he’ll even be available

Teams like the thunder timberwolves and kings will whip us all day long might be the worst team in the division Memphis Dallas Houston will be better than us the moment we let Brandon go id rather let z go

I can’t see how y’all would want z when he’s been more trouble than positive since being here barely plays out of shape and in the news for whores I rather a basketball player with basketball as his top priority

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Scoot and Murphy not beating no team in the west Zion is a toss up if he’ll even be available

Teams like the thunder timberwolves and kings will whip us all day long might be the worst team in the division Memphis Dallas Houston will be better than us the moment we let Brandon go id rather let z go

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I regret to inform you that other teams already ''whip us all day long'' with Ingram on the team. Have been doing for the last 4 years.

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Okay that's far different than saying Trey can replace BI. He can't. That's not his skill set.

Can Scoot + Trey replace BI? That's possible down the road. But BI is still only 25 and still hasn't reached his own peak yet. He is definitely a #1 option on a contender. The type you'd prefer since he has unselfish play making skills to go with everything else.

So you run the risk of a Trey + Scoot replacement being a lateral move split between 2 players you'll eventually have to pay.

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Scoot would be cost controlled for 8/9 years. BI is KD lite and KD himself has proven that he can’t be the #1 player on a championship team and consistently win with his style of play. BI is a super max player in 2 years. Trey probably can be signed for less than a rookie max right now but if his game matures even more, he will be worth a more cost controlled rookie max. See the CBA article and the fact that the Pels won’t pay luxury tax. Frankly, if I owned the team, I wouldn’t pay the luxury tax until the team shows it can compete for championships. We have been a tease with 2 injury prone players.

No man is bigger than the team but if they trade bi I’m gone he’s come in and been doing everything that he can to become greater and shows no sign of wanting to be anywhere else haven’t heard one rumor

Brandon is a better passer and you will have to pay players regardless why not pay a top guy who wants to be apart of something you building

Well he’s by his self for the most part did you see the mavs last year luka is a mvp candidate hasn’t done squat by himself

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Trade Zion before BI. He is the closest thing we have to a generational player, but there are so many negatives. His availability is obviously the biggest concern. The whole thing about him not playing during the most important moments last year despite being healthy is the opposite of the mamba mentality that you want in your team leader. Plus his off the court distractions, plus he is our biggest contract and will likely prevent us from having the room to resign Trey and Herb. That being said I am still not convinced about moving on from him because he is that much of a difference maker if everything works out for the best.

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The bolded section is the only bit I take quarrel with here.

If you want to trade Zion because of health, that's a legitimate thing - he's been injured every single year he's played. It's a real problem, nobody can deny that.

If you want to trade him because of ''off court distractions'', that's absurd. His ''off court distractions'' have been stuff that nearly every NBA player does. As mentioned in the past, Paul George knocked up a stripper while he was in a relationship to a coaches daughter and nobody cared. Trading Zion for having consensual sex with grown adults is insane.

Plus, the stuff about Zion being the biggest contract - one of the biggest arguments in favour of trading Ingram is his GIANT incoming contract under the new CBA, a deal which may well be larger than Zion's all things included, and which will kick in alongside Trey and Herb, making the impact even larger.

If you're trading Zion, you're doing it on health, as far as I'm concerned that's the best argument for it. His contract situation is better than Ingram's, his ''off court distractions'' are run of the mill NBA player stuff, and his on-court performance is on another tier to Ingram.

Edit: actually correction, I also take quarrel with ''mamba mentality'', one of the biggest pieces of hogwash NBA mythmaking in my lifetime.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

I regret to inform you that other teams already ''whip us all day long'' with Ingram on the team. Have been doing for the last 4 years.

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This team, which has been quite rag tag at moments, still somehow has a winning record when Ingram plays no matter who else is injured.

So no, they haven't "whipped us all day" when he's on the court by any metric.

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Originally Posted by luckyman

If you have to go and clarify what a person meant, then it's safe to say you didn't really know.

They typed what they meant the first time.

And saying all you'd lose in that scenario is BI's playmaking is not surprising.

You downplaying BI's total skillset has been consistent these last 3/4 years I'll give you that. It at least isn't at the levels of absurdity it was before. so there's been some improvement.

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It's true what when BI was first proposed as coming here, I was against it because I was thoroughly unimpressed by his time in LA and I was sceptical of how much he would improve.

I've since admitted that I was wrong a thousand times - BI has far exceeded my expectations and has grown from someone I thought of as replacement level, to someone who I consider a top 40 player in the league.

That's because I changed my mind when I was confronted with new information.

Unfortunately, given that you seem to still be arguing with my opinions from 2018-19, I'm not sure that you're able to make the same adjustment.

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Originally Posted by Algiersraised

Brandon is a better passer and you will have to pay players regardless why not pay a top guy who wants to be apart of something you building

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Doesn?t change the fact that he is injury prone and due for a super max in 2 years. We are a small market team. Money ball factors into the equation. Personally, I don?t think BI will ever be a top 10 player in this league and is a lower tier all star caliber player which is his ceiling.

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Originally Posted by luckyman

This team, which has been quite rag tag at moments, still somehow has a winning record when Ingram plays no matter who else is injured.

So no, they haven't "whipped us all day" when he's on the court by any metric.

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The team actually doesn't have a winning record when Ingram plays regardless of who else is injured.

This team has a record of 60-70 in games played with Ingram but without Zion. That is to say, a losing record.

This is a guard driven league. Having 2 injury prone forwards lead the team will continue to yield mediocre results. See LA Clippers.

Zion is like the prettiest girl you ever had but she don’t even like you like that she just want the money and thangs that come with being with you
Brandon is that solid 8 that holds down the house through all the bs

Only a fool chooses to get rid of the latter for the first

Jimmy butler should show you that you just need hood coaching with players who wanna win and be apart of something bigger than thyself to be a champ and jokic just got amazing ain’t like he been that way Brandon is just 25

Neither will Zion if he can’t play more than 40 games logging 35 minutes

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Originally Posted by luckyman

This team, which has been quite rag tag at moments, still has a winning record when Ingram plays.

So no, they haven't "whipped us all day" when he's on the court by any metric.

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The truth is that both of them are great players. Zion can single handedly win a game on most nights. BI can win a game here and there but his impact is not nearly as felt as Zion?s. The issue is how the Pelicans feel Scoot would fit better with either player and in my opinion, it?s probably a hugely tough decision. Both players have equal reasons why they fit better next to scoot. With Zion, the way that scoot attacks, the rim will be an open buffet all day in the PNR. With BI, it gives them another all around scoring threat that can handle the ball and close games. The real difference is how they plan to design the offense under Borrego and who they think fits that role more. If I had to guess it would be BI that fits better in a Borrego system. I?m actually nervous that the Pels would try their hardest to keep both of them and get rid of someone else like Herb. Then that starts a whole different scenario where the Pels have to decide how much they value Dyson as that perimeter lock down.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

The team actually doesn't have a winning record when Ingram plays regardless of who else is injured.

This team has a record of 60-70 in games played with Ingram but without Zion. That is to say, a losing record.

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I'm talking the last 2 years when Ingram has basically taken over as face of the franchise, no Jrue, roster overhauls, rookies all over the starting lineup, and Zion in street clothes basically the entire time.

That is to say, a winning record and a playoff appearance despite ALL of that.


If you can find a way to downplay that one, it will truly be remarkable and your best yet.

Go.

I’m worried about Zion’s long term viability in the league. His size/speed/acceleration/vertical may be contributing to his constant injury issues. I’m not sure the human body is meant to do the things he’s doing. I’m also not sure that you can trust him to rehabilitate responsibly.

It sucks because when he does play he’s one of the most super-efficient offensively players the game has ever seen. It also looked like he was starting to make strides on the defensive side of the ball.

I like Ingram’s game, I just don’t always love it. I don’t think his style of play is always as efficient as it needs to be. But, I think he’s probably going to have a long productive NBA career and will be a borderline all-star for quite a while.

If one of them has to be traded, I think trading Zion is probably the safer route.

From what I’ve heard, Charlotte would want more additional assets than just BI in a trade. And it seems that they may be valuing Zion higher, because supposedly they would be willing to take Zion by himself for the second.

Personally, I think Charlotte needs to give up more than just the 2nd pick for either BI or Zion. If they’re willing to give up more for Zion than BI, then I think that makes Zion my choice for the trade.

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This is a guard driven league. Having 2 injury prone forwards lead the team will continue to yield mediocre results. See LA Clippers.

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Facts! You have to have a PG, without a PG, it doesn’t matter who the forwards are.

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The truth is that both of them are great players. Zion can single handedly win a game on most nights. BI can win a game here and there but his impact is not nearly as felt as Zion?s. The issue is how the Pelicans feel Scoot would fit better with either player and in my opinion, it?s probably a hugely tough decision. Both players have equal reasons why they fit better next to scoot. With Zion, the way that scoot attacks, the rim will be an open buffet all day in the PNR. With BI, it gives them another all around scoring threat that can handle the ball and close games. The real difference is how they plan to design the offense under Borrego and who they think fits that role more. If I had to guess it would be BI that fits better in a Borrego system. I?m actually nervous that the Pels would try their hardest to keep both of them and get rid of someone else like Herb. Then that starts a whole different scenario where the Pels have to decide how much they value Dyson as that perimeter lock down.

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I’d trade Dyson and Herb all day for Scoot. That’s not even a question. Dyson is fools gold imo. Raw, inconsistent offense, and not on the timeline of this current team.

Still was close to taking the suns out and Brandon has been healthier than both Paul and Kawhi for the most part

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Facts! You have to have a PG, without a PG, it doesn’t matter who the forwards are.

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Look at Jokic without Murray. He essentially becomes a stat stuffer on a 2nd round of playoffs team at best.

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Originally Posted by Fedupfan

The truth is that both of them are great players. Zion can single handedly win a game on most nights. BI can win a game here and there but his impact is not nearly as felt as Zion?s. The issue is how the Pelicans feel Scoot would fit better with either player and in my opinion, it?s probably a hugely tough decision. Both players have equal reasons why they fit better next to scoot. With Zion, the way that scoot attacks, the rim will be an open buffet all day in the PNR. With BI, it gives them another all around scoring threat that can handle the ball and close games. The real difference is how they plan to design the offense under Borrego and who they think fits that role more. If I had to guess it would be BI that fits better in a Borrego system. I?m actually nervous that the Pels would try their hardest to keep both of them and get rid of someone else like Herb. Then that starts a whole different scenario where the Pels have to decide how much they value Dyson as that perimeter lock down.

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Zion can single handedly win a game on most nights? When did that actually happen?

That simply has not even been close to true. Especially when they play on the road and especially against teams with active length.

I like Zion. I don't want either of them traded.

But it seems Zion is still living off of legend and fantasy while people continue to downplay what BI has actually done on the court, under any and many circumstances.

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I'm talking the last 2 years when Ingram has basically taken over as face of the franchise, no Jrue, roster overhauls, rookies all over the starting lineup, and Zion in street clothes basically the entire time.

That is to say, a winning record and a playoff appearance despite ALL of that.


If you can find a way to downplay that one, it will truly be remarkable and your best yet.

Go.

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You made a claim that was pretty general. I showed you were wrong, so you've moved the goalposts. Yes, if you define yourself into a very small corner, you can be 100% correct within the confines of your own small box.

The point is, if you think the BI > Zion argument is so open and shut, why do you keep having to make stuff up to prove it?

Yesterday it was BI is attacking the rim more and taking fewer middies - something that's completely incorrect. Today, it's that we have a winning record when he plays regardless of who else is on the team - also incorrect. So you move the goalposts; ironically enough, in the same thread you complained about someone else being unclear about their own points regarding Ingram.

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Originally Posted by Freyfamilyreuni

I’m worried about Zion’s long term viability in the league. His size/speed/acceleration/vertical may be contributing to his constant injury issues. I’m not sure the human body is meant to do the things he’s doing. I’m also not sure that you can trust him to rehabilitate responsibly.

It sucks because when he does play he’s one of the most super-efficient offensively players the game has ever seen. It also looked like he was starting to make strides on the defensive side of the ball.

I like Ingram’s game, I just don’t always love it. I don’t think his style of play is always as efficient as it needs to be. But, I think he’s probably going to have a long productive NBA career and will be a borderline all-star for quite a while.

If one of them has to be traded, I think trading Zion is probably the safer route.

From what I’ve heard, Charlotte would want more additional assets than just BI in a trade. And it seems that they may be valuing Zion higher, because supposedly they would be willing to take Zion by himself for the second.

Personally, I think Charlotte needs to give up more than just the 2nd pick for either BI or Zion. If they’re willing to give up more for Zion than BI, then I think that makes Zion my choice for the trade.

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Hey look, a reasonable argument for trading Zion over BI that doesn't require you to talk about ''distractions'' or ''mamba mentality'' or ''culture'' or anything like that.

It can be done!

You have to corner Zion just for him to talk he has not made it clear he’s dedicated and as a number one pick that’s sad no argument for that

He hasn’t shown he’s team first it seems he cares more about the image of being a good guy

One shows he’s still dedicated to basketball

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Zion can single handedly win a game on most nights? When did that actually happen?

That simply has not even been close to true. Especially when they play on the road and especially against teams with active length.

I like Zion. I don't want either of them traded.

But it seems Zion is still living off of legend and fantasy while people continue to downplay what BI has actually done on the court, under any and many circumstances.

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Lucky, totally agree!!

He was pre-ordained as a generational player and has proven to be anything but, to date. How his minions still drink the Kool-Aid is exceedingly disheartening. Never mind that he has played in only 37% of his team's games, in four years, he has yet to step on a playoff court (except as a spectator). Is it totally his fault? No!!! But, does he share in the blame?

ABSOLUTELY!!!

Zion’s stats when he plays are exceptional. He also won’t be a super max player for 5 YEARS! Zion is maddeningly immature and injury prone sure, but I have already stated why you keep him for at least another year. BI is also injury prone.

How often has he played

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You made a claim that was pretty general. I showed you were wrong, so you've moved the goalposts. Yes, if you define yourself into a very small corner, you can be 100% correct within the confines of your own small box.

The point is, if you think the BI > Zion argument is so open and shut, why do you keep having to make stuff up to prove it?

Yesterday it was BI is attacking the rim more and taking fewer middies - something that's completely incorrect. Today, it's that we have a winning record when he plays regardless of who else is on the team - also incorrect. So you move the goalposts; ironically enough, in the same thread you complained about someone else being unclear about their own points regarding Ingram.

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No goal posts moved. When it's obvious for your argument, it's "I feel people are taking your posts too literally...what I think you mean is"

But when it doesn't, it's goal post moving.

I posted BI's record on this same site yesterday. That's what I meant again today. And it's true.

As for the middies, I posted the stats to prove it was not incorrect yesterday. You are the one playing with the stats minimizing mid range into "short mid range" as if I didn't see that BS the first time. But that's what you do besides hide behind these black box stats you know most people will never look up. Much less understand.

I'll post all the numbers for you again direct from nba.com. Maybe that'll help.

2021
Total shots - 1,012
Midrange - 408
Midrange shot % - 40%
Restricted area - 169
RA % - 17%
< 5 ft - 197
< 5 ft % - 19%

2022
Total shots - 850
Midrange - 299
Midrange shot % - 35%
RA - 154
RA % - 18%
< 5ft - 174
< 5ft % - 21%

So last year, he attacked the rim more as I said.
So last year, he shot fewer mid range shots, as I said.

Wtf do you mean that "completely incorrect"? I dunno. It's all there on a non-paywall site anybody can go look up.