If Zion Returns soon.......

If Zion returns soon, what should we expect?

Will the way the game is officiated this year adversely affect Zion's offensive production? ...Zion's health? ...the 'Point Zion' novelty?

Will he be on a minutes restriction?

Has Zion expanded his offense game to be an efficient scorer from more than one level or is he still just a 'glass-man'?

Will we see improved defense from Zion at his +275 lb. weight?

How many games do you expect him to play this year?

Zion was already not getting the calls he should have under the old officiating, so I'm not really sure it would negatively impact him much. More concerned about how long until we get him on the floor, the minutes restriction and how long it will take to ramp him up. If we are still in striking distance by the time he is playing full, I believe we'll make the play-in. I'm just not convinced he'll be back before mid-January at this point.

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Originally Posted by As I See It

If Zion returns soon, what should we expect?

Will the way the game is officiated this year adversely affect Zion's offensive production? ...Zion's health? ...the 'Point Zion' novelty?

Will he be on a minutes restriction?

Has Zion expanded his offense game to be an efficient scorer from more than one level or is he still just a 'glass-man'?

Will we see improved defense from Zion at his +275 lb. weight?

How many games do you expect him to play this year?

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If he doesn't lose weight, I think we'll see a less productive defensive player. He will be too slow afoot to effectively move laterally.

Piggy backing off the other thread, I would have no problem if he missed the majority of the season in order to regain focus, lose weight and get healthy. Meanwhile, the team loses enough to be in position to draft a 2nd superstar, something they've rarely had since coming from Charlotte in 2002.

They're one of the few teams that can say that they've had 3 separate MVP candidates in different eras but never had that ultimate 2nd all star. BD had Mashburn but he only lasted one year before an injury ended his career.

Tyson Chandler and David West weren't on that level for CP while Jrue was the closest thing along with less than a full season of Cuz for AD.

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Originally Posted by Century City

If he doesn't lose weight, I think we'll see a less productive defensive player. He will be too slow afoot to effectively move laterally.

Piggy backing off the other thread, I would have no problem if he missed the majority of the season in order to regain focus, lose weight and get healthy. Meanwhile, the team loses enough to be in position to draft a 2nd superstar, something they've rarely had since coming from Charlotte in 2002.

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This is a short story, but there's a lot to unpack. He looks pretty good in these pics. Not out of shape at all.
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Originally Posted by Century City

If he doesn't lose weight, I think we'll see a less productive defensive player. He will be too slow afoot to effectively move laterally.

Piggy backing off the other thread, I would have no problem if he missed the majority of the season in order to regain focus, lose weight and get healthy. Meanwhile, the team loses enough to be in position to draft a 2nd superstar, something they've rarely had since coming from Charlotte in 2002.

They're one of the few teams that can say that they've had 3 separate MVP candidates in different eras but never had that ultimate 2nd all star. BD had Mashburn but he only lasted one year before an injury ended his career.

Tyson Chandler and David West weren't on that level for CP while Jrue was the closest thing along with less than a full season of Cuz for AD.

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Ingram disrespect. I'd say he's easily better at this point than Jrue ever was.

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Ingram disrespect. I'd say he's easily better at this point than Jrue ever was.

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Then all the more reason to zero in on the draft this offseason. If DX, Chandler, Mash, Ingram and Cuz are the best sidekicks that our star players have ever had then they need to really zero in on the draft.

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Dammit im so bad at posting these things....

Pelicans’ Zion Williamson continues to experience soreness in his surgically-repaired right foot and is likely to be shut down from basketball activities for time being, sources tell me and @WillGuillory.

— Shams Charania (@ShamsCharania) December 11, 2021

hahaha

YEAH
BOOOOOI

Rev up that #pelslife tank.

They are very close to shutting him down for the season with these setbacks. Griffin will probably resign as well by the end of the season unless Benson has a change of heart.

NOLA sports athletes been having a tough breaks with surgeries not taking as they should.

Next comes the second opinion evaluation and a whole untreated fracture is discovered. New round of surgery. Out for 2021 season.

Will begin going door to door spreading the gospel of the The Church of TANK.

They should really just shut it down..no point in coming back January or any time after... although i doubt zion and his family would agree to that to save face that he isn't injury prone... shutting him down will be both good for zion and the pels in the long run, not good for griff though with his situation... i just hope griff and the pels don't go in a panic mode and be short sighted

I wouldn't have minded the tank with how the season has been but man why couldn't it be the 2023 draft

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I wouldn't have minded the tank with how the season has been but man why couldn't it be the 2023 draft

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Don’t worry he will be hurt all next season too. He was just a terrible pick

Odds Griff new this entire time it was a season ending injury and lied to sell tickets?

He's gotta go.

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Don’t worry he will be hurt all next season too. He was just a terrible pick

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change your pfp then lmao

Might as well sit him out for the season. I'd also look into reducing Ingram and Jonas' workloads/minutes.

Good things come to those who wait. So do not live in the Realm of Anger if someone happens to tell you in the near future that you might have to wait a little longer. They are simply blessing you with a good thing.

— David Griffin Presser (@GriffinPresser) December 11, 2021

I understand the anxiousness of our fan base, but no I do not have a definitive date to share with all of you. But rest assured, when I have an update on when Daulton Hommes will return to the court, I will release that information post-haste.

— David Griffin Presser (@GriffinPresser) November 28, 2021

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Good things come to those who wait. So do not live in the Realm of Anger if someone happens to tell you in the near future that you might have to wait a little longer. They are simply blessing you with a good thing.

— David Griffin Presser (@GriffinPresser) December 11, 2021

I understand the anxiousness of our fan base, but no I do not have a definitive date to share with all of you. But rest assured, when I have an update on when Daulton Hommes will return to the court, I will release that information post-haste.

— David Griffin Presser (@GriffinPresser) November 28, 2021

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Daulton Hommes lmaoooooo

If you wanted to move him?

https://i.ibb.co/3cYBd3J/tradenba-sn...9291826732.png

Now it's time for Brandon to show everyone that he can be a Star of this league...

Takes more than one. Our record with BI and without BI this year proves his value.

zion will need a surgical revision with bone graft And bone stimulator and will miss the season.

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Now it's time for Brandon to show everyone that he can be a Star of this league...

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It is odd isn’t it. BI, JV, Graham. On paper those 3 should be better or at least provide the team with more wins than they have.

Y?all, David Griffin is AWFUL. He passed on Darius Garland. Garland is looking like a future superstar right now. Griff traded down to get NAW and Hayes. See how that turned out?

I really dislike Griffin and think he is a complete idiot. He should have drafted Garland and moved Lonzo during the season instead of waiting till the season ended. We could have gotten a better return most likely?

He should have still worked on a trade to get JV as part of the Jrue Holiday trade instead of Adams. We should have resigned Moore. This is all hypothetical? but it makes total sense and could have really gone this way.

The Graham trade and the Lonzo trade has not helped us. Zion being injured hurts the team but I?m convinced we?d be a better team with a lineup of:

Garland
Moore
BI
Zion
JV

We are a total mess and I?m so disappointed.


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I’ll admit I haven’t followed the Zo situation in Chicago, do Pelifans have regret in letting him walk?

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I’ll admit I haven’t followed the Zo situation in Chicago, do Pelifans have regret in letting him walk?

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No.

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I’ll admit I haven’t followed the Zo situation in Chicago, do Pelifans have regret in letting him walk?

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Not for the money he got. The bigger regret is that we didn't let him walk outright rather than taking in Satoranski and Temple...

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Not for the money he got. The bigger regret is that we didn't let him walk outright rather than taking in Satoranski and Temple...

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As much as pretty much all of us want to change the channel when Sato and Temple enter the game, please remember that deal can't really be evaluated until we see what they get for Sato.

It's highly likely he's traded by February or 100% he's traded before July. Somewhat similar for Josh Hart.

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As much as pretty much all of us want to change the channel when Sato and Temple enter the game, please remember that deal can't really be evaluated until we see what they get for Sato.

It's highly likely he's traded by February or 100% he's traded before July. Somewhat similar for Josh Hart.

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Sure. I'm being a little hyperbolic, but I really can't stand how much time they've gotten in the rotation. If we can get something of value for them, it's not bad long term.

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Sure. I'm being a little hyperbolic, but I really can't stand how much time they've gotten in the rotation. If we can get something of value for them, it's not bad long term.

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Yeah. I am sure someone will give up something of value for Satoresky. Who wouldn't want a non athletic guard who is averaging 2.7 points per game, shooting 33% from the field and 15% from 3? I am sure Griffin will get at least a first for him. Maybe two

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Yeah. I am sure someone will give up something of value for Satoresky. Who wouldn't want a non athletic guard who is averaging 2.7 points per game, shooting 33% from the field and 15% from 3? I am sure Griffin will get at least a first for him. Maybe two

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I don't think it would come in the form of "we want Satoranski." It's more likely that we give up something of real value and Satoranski is filler for salary matching.

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I don't think it would come in the form of "we want Satoranski." It's more likely that we give up something of real value and Satoranski is filler for salary matching.

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And why would the team want to add a better player when the clear path to adding a real difference maker is landing a top 5 pick in this draft?

If anything, I would trade Satoranski and Hart for a worse player or worst contract and add picks. Like, do Satoranki, Hart, and Hayes for Porzingis and a future 1st. Or to Houston for John Wall and continue to not play him like Houston is doing. Add picks and make your pick this year even better.

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I don't think it would come in the form of "we want Satoranski." It's more likely that we give up something of real value and Satoranski is filler for salary matching.

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Lots of people have an incredibly hard time separating the expiring contract from the player it's attached to. So I wouldn't try to explain it too hard.

And the Pelicans would receive something of value in return...obviously. That is when you evaluate the trade as a whole.

Look around the league and list all the bad contracts. There aren’t many any more. It’s nothing like 5 or 10 or 15 years ago. Then, look at all the teams who have expiring contracts. Expiring contracts outnumber bad contracts 10 to 1. If you assume you will get a solid play just by giving an expiring contract, you are fooling yourself.

Yeah there's $10mm+ expiring contracts just laying all over the place. They're commodities basically.

Let me put down SR report for the day before I get another headache. Not a place to be after a loss.

Sr.com apparently isn’t even the place to be after a win. For the first time in 20 years there, that place is darn near quiet after a win.

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It is odd isn’t it. BI, JV, Graham. On paper those 3 should be better or at least provide the team with more wins than they have.

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What has Graham shown?

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Sr.com apparently isn’t even the place to be after a win. For the first time in 20 years there, that place is darn near quiet after a win.

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To be fair it was the Jets. And a mediocre season is kinda depressing because you'll just end up with a middling draft pick. Hopefully there is a gem like a Mac Jones that will fall a bit in this draft for us.

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To be fair it was the Jets. And a mediocre season is kinda depressing because you'll just end up with a middling draft pick. Hopefully there is a gem like a Mac Jones that will fall a bit in this draft for us.

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OT, but you could put Tom Brady on the Saints right now and the team wouldn't be a contender. Jameis was pretty great considering the horrific WRs and patchwork OL he worked with. Need more WR weapons. A QB draft pick very likely doesn't help and isn't set up to succeed. MT is a question mark coming off major injury. Need to draft WR (hopefully first and second round) and possibly even a competent one in FA. Resign Jameis is my wish, and his teammates love him as well.

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What has Graham shown?

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I was told by some very “in the no” podcasters, and other local types that he was going to be the guard that Zo wasn’t.

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I was told by some very ?in the no? podcasters, and other local types that he was going to be the guard that Zo wasn?t.

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To be fair, I don't think Graham was meant to replace Ball, he was meant to replace Bledsoe. And he's definitely played better than Bledsoe. I think the hope was that NAW was going to step up and replace Ball. He was given a chance but showed he wasn't ready. As for Graham, his biggest issue is that he's an undersized shooting guard being asked to play point.

JV has shown that he's definitely better than Adams, so that's been a step up. BI hasn't made the next step up in his progression and is basically the same player he was two years ago. And Zion is on the shelf as opposed to last year. So combine, NAW fizzling, BI plateauing, and Zion out and that equals a worse record than last year.

I recall certain Pelicans bloggers crapping on me for not being sold on NAW (I said that I didn’t trust him until he showed it in live games, while they said his tape from last year and this offseason were enough). We have some dumb ****** bloggers covering this team.

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I was told by some very “in the no” podcasters, and other local types that he was going to be the guard that Zo wasn’t.

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Ball is a much better player than Graham. Would have liked to have Ball with Graham.