Lowry OUT

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08-01-2021, 09:17 PM
Hoochican

Lowry OUT

Barry Jackson
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ESPN reports tonight that New Orleans and Dallas - two Lowry suitors - have begun to look elsewhere for point guards. The Dragic/Achiuwa package should get this done for Lowry barring any late issues; Achiuwa hasn't yet been informed because talks can't begin until 6 p.m. Monday.
08-01-2021, 09:25 PM
donato

I think we’ve been seeing this coming for awhile now, but I’m not sure it qualifies for “breaking news” / “Lowry out” if it hasn’t happened yet IMO.
08-01-2021, 09:27 PM
Hoochican

True. But teams aren't "tampering" either are they? lol

The news is that the Heat are pursuing him and are considered in the lead to land him. Does not mean a deal is complete.
08-01-2021, 09:28 PM
donato

I agree and fully expect it to happen at this point.
08-01-2021, 09:36 PM
kinglio21093

Any Pels fan who actually expected us to land a top free agent is living in an alternate universe.
08-01-2021, 09:36 PM
Pelicanidae

Oh we're all fully aware it's tampering, right?

Nobody actually believes that teams and players wait until they're officially allowed to speak to do so, right?
08-01-2021, 09:36 PM
Eman5805

Are we sure this is a thing? Who even is that guy? Stein, Shams, or Woj and I'm there. I'm not even into Lowry, but whatever. We're gonna do somethign.
08-01-2021, 09:43 PM
kinglio21093

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Originally Posted by Eman5805

Are we sure this is a thing? Who even is that guy? Stein, Shams, or Woj and I'm there. I'm not even into Lowry, but whatever. We're gonna do somethign.

Woj reported it already.
08-01-2021, 10:47 PM
DroopyDawg

It’s not tampering if the teams are trading players, is it?

But yes tampering is a thing and has been. The league wont do anything to stop it even when teams make it blatantly obvious.
08-02-2021, 02:30 AM
UNO Gracias

Better them than us. Does anyone here really want to spend $30M + on a guy that will be 35 going into next season? That?s a ticking time bomb waiting to happen. Like JJ Reddick, but more expensive and without a podcast.
08-02-2021, 06:15 AM
tthier2

Never was a fan of getting Lowry. I think he is vastly overrated. If we are going after a veteran I want CP3 other than him give me a youngin
08-02-2021, 07:04 AM
da ThRONe

This is us dodging a bullet. Old vets that aren't significant needle movers aren't what we need. I'd much rather trade for Sexton than Lowry.
08-02-2021, 07:11 AM
Pelicanidae

Can't avoid the feeling that there are some intense sour grapes going on in here.

You know that you can just say ''oh well, it was always a long shot and he was probably going to be a bit too expensive anyway'' without deciding to also add ''and he's also not that good a player anyway y'know, he's probably going to fall off a cliff in the next five minutes, in fact we're better off without him, he doesn't move a needle'' yadda yadda.

Lowry is an excellent player, he's been excellent for a long time, and his game isn't the style of game that tends to deteriorate with the flick of a switch. He's consistently posted very good impact metrics for years, played on very good teams that have won lots of games where he's posted very good on/off numbers for most of his career, is a 5x All-Star, ex-all NBA, and a champion. Coming off a 17/5/7 season on 59%TS. We don't have to pretend that he sucks now just because didn't get him.

Edit: just to clarify, I know some of you guys were against Lowry before this as well. I'm not saying that anyone who is glad we're not getting Lowry is in sour grapes mode. If it doesn't apply to you then you know it doesn't apply to you and there's no need to get upset about it.
08-02-2021, 07:41 AM
PolishFan

I?m super happy he won?t be signing with us and I am not sour :)
08-02-2021, 07:57 AM
Biasvasospasm

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Lowry is an excellent player, he's been excellent for a long time, and his game isn't the style of game that tends to deteriorate with the flick of a switch. He's consistently posted very good impact metrics for years, played on very good teams that have won lots of games where he's posted very good on/off numbers for most of his career, is a 5x All-Star, ex-all NBA, and a champion. Coming off a 17/5/7 season on 59%TS. We don't have to pretend that he sucks now just because didn't get him.

I don’t think anyone is saying he hasn’t been a great player, he’s a hall-of-famer. He is just the age where the vast majority of even really great players do fall off a cliff. There are a couple recent counter examples (Paul, Lebron), but those guys are also in a different tier of greatness.

If you told me there was a good chance Kyle Lowry doesn’t decline substantially, I would have been all for it. Kyle Lowry of last year would be a perfect fit. I even think there’s a good chance he maintains most of his level of play in Miami. I just had a feeling that if he took our money at that age there’s a good chance it ends really badly.
08-02-2021, 08:04 AM
PELICANSFAN

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Can't avoid the feeling that there are some intense sour grapes going on in here.

You know that you can just say ''oh well, it was always a long shot and he was probably going to be a bit too expensive anyway'' without deciding to also add ''and he's also not that good a player anyway y'know, he's probably going to fall off a cliff in the next five minutes, in fact we're better off without him, he doesn't move a needle'' yadda yadda.

Lowry is an excellent player, he's been excellent for a long time, and his game isn't the style of game that tends to deteriorate with the flick of a switch. He's consistently posted very good impact metrics for years, played on very good teams that have won lots of games where he's posted very good on/off numbers for most of his career, is a 5x All-Star, ex-all NBA, and a champion. Coming off a 17/5/7 season on 59%TS. We don't have to pretend that he sucks now just because didn't get him.

Edit: just to clarify, I know some of you guys were against Lowry before this as well. I'm not saying that anyone who is glad we're not getting Lowry is in sour grapes mode. If it doesn't apply to you then you know it doesn't apply to you and there's no need to get upset about it.

Somewhat natural on message boards. Also, some will convince themselves that whoever we sign is the perfect signing.
08-02-2021, 08:24 AM
As I See It

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

Somewhat natural on message boards. Also, some will convince themselves that whoever we sign is the perfect signing.

A team's fans, by definition, lack objectivity.

Across the street on Airline Drive there was a guy who played five years longer than he should have, but don't tell a Saints fan that. While the team was chasing championships, he was chasing Hall of Fame records and collecting inflated paychecks along the way.
08-02-2021, 08:45 AM
Eman5805

I wouldn’t say five years. But we should’ve been looking to get someone good enough to force Brees out before he may have wanted to. Always rather leave too early than too late. And he absolutely should’ve not come back in 2020. Hindsight and all notwithstanding.
08-02-2021, 09:35 AM
MichaelMcNamara

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Originally Posted by Eman5805

I wouldn’t say five years. But we should’ve been looking to get someone good enough to force Brees out before he may have wanted to. Always rather leave too early than too late. And he absolutely should’ve not come back in 2020. Hindsight and all notwithstanding.

I disagree, and this is where I think there are two different kinds of objectives.

Some people want to do everything to maximize the chance to win a title. Some want to have a team with players they want to root for. Obviously both types want both things, but when it comes to a decision where you have to prioritize one or the other, some prioritize A and others B.

If I were a Saints fan, I'd rather welcome Brees back and have him finish his career here and probably have no real chance at a title last year than have acquired, say, Ryan Tannehill and have a 5-10% chance at a title and kick Brees out the door or have him play for another team.

I believe the point of sports is entertainment and titles are nice, but you get more overall entertainment and joy from watching guys you like and who grow with the team have success than you do have a bunch of mercenaries win your team a title. I definitely did not think that when I was younger, but as I got older, I want that more than a better chances at titles with mercenaries
08-02-2021, 09:53 AM
RobertM320

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

I believe the point of sports is entertainment and titles are nice, but you get more overall entertainment and joy from watching guys you like and who grow with the team have success than you do have a bunch of mercenaries win your team a title. I definitely did not think that when I was younger, but as I got older, I want that more than a better chances at titles with mercenaries

So much this. Maybe its because I've always lived in NOLA, but when I follow a team, I support them BECAUSE they represent NOLA. I want to see the teams be competitive, and have players that I like, and a title would just be a bonus. Its what I really hate about todays age of free agency and superteams. When I was young (60's,70s,80s), players had loyalty to teams and to the fans. Now, everything is about the almighty dollar. That's what has now ruined college football as well, the almighty dollar.
08-02-2021, 10:08 AM
As I See It

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Originally Posted by RobertM320

So much this. Maybe its because I've always lived in NOLA, but when I follow a team, I support them BECAUSE they represent NOLA. I want to see the teams be competitive, and have players that I like, and a title would just be a bonus. Its what I really hate about todays age of free agency and superteams. When I was young (60's,70s,80s), players had loyalty to teams and to the fans. Now, everything is about the almighty dollar. That's what has now ruined college football as well, the almighty dollar.

See Curt Flood,,,,
08-02-2021, 11:02 AM
13 - 3

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

This is us dodging a bullet. Old vets that aren't significant needle movers aren't what we need. I'd much rather trade for Sexton than Lowry.

Preeech
08-02-2021, 11:04 AM
13 - 3

Quote:

Originally Posted by RobertM320

So much this. Maybe its because I've always lived in NOLA, but when I follow a team, I support them BECAUSE they represent NOLA. I want to see the teams be competitive, and have players that I like, and a title would just be a bonus. Its what I really hate about todays age of free agency and superteams. When I was young (60's,70s,80s), players had loyalty to teams and to the fans. Now, everything is about the almighty dollar. That's what has now ruined college football as well, the almighty dollar.

See Bill Gates
08-02-2021, 11:08 AM
JJackisangry

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Can't avoid the feeling that there are some intense sour grapes going on in here.

You know that you can just say ''oh well, it was always a long shot and he was probably going to be a bit too expensive anyway'' without deciding to also add ''and he's also not that good a player anyway y'know, he's probably going to fall off a cliff in the next five minutes, in fact we're better off without him, he doesn't move a needle'' yadda yadda.

Lowry is an excellent player, he's been excellent for a long time, and his game isn't the style of game that tends to deteriorate with the flick of a switch. He's consistently posted very good impact metrics for years, played on very good teams that have won lots of games where he's posted very good on/off numbers for most of his career, is a 5x All-Star, ex-all NBA, and a champion. Coming off a 17/5/7 season on 59%TS. We don't have to pretend that he sucks now just because didn't get him.

Edit: just to clarify, I know some of you guys were against Lowry before this as well. I'm not saying that anyone who is glad we're not getting Lowry is in sour grapes mode. If it doesn't apply to you then you know it doesn't apply to you and there's no need to get upset about it.

I do think he was too expensive personally. But it would have been interesting to see a Pellies team with Val and Lowry in the starting lineup.
08-02-2021, 11:12 AM
luigi modelo

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Originally Posted by 13 - 3

See Bill Gates

You are consistent in making incoherent arguments, but this one may take the cake
08-02-2021, 11:18 AM
As I See It

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Originally Posted by luigi modelo

You are consistent in making incoherent arguments, but this one may take the cake

YEP!!! SMH!!!
08-02-2021, 11:29 AM
13 - 3

Quote:

Originally Posted by luigi modelo

You are consistent in making incoherent arguments, but this one may take the cake

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lqdErI9uss
08-02-2021, 11:36 AM
luigi modelo

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Originally Posted by As I See It

YEP!!! SMH!!!

He got microchipped
08-02-2021, 11:39 AM
AusPel

Myles Turner and Malcolm Brogdon are available, but the #Pacers aren't loving the offers. Think they'll work very hard to move Jeremy Lamb. https://t.co/sqUIIKPKNR
— Evan Massey (@massey_evan) August 2, 2021
08-02-2021, 11:45 AM
UNO Gracias

Quote:

Originally Posted by RobertM320

So much this. Maybe its because I've always lived in NOLA, but when I follow a team, I support them BECAUSE they represent NOLA. I want to see the teams be competitive, and have players that I like, and a title would just be a bonus. Its what I really hate about todays age of free agency and superteams. When I was young (60's,70s,80s), players had loyalty to teams and to the fans. Now, everything is about the almighty dollar. That's what has now ruined college football as well, the almighty dollar.

This is spot on where I am. If the team wasn?t in New Orleans the NBA to sell it for parts and I wouldn?t care, but because they represent my city, I hate that they are in a continual state of sucking.

I am glad we didn?t sign Lowry (has nothing to do with missing out, everything to do with the year 1986). Because I don?t want him however doesn?t mean I want to pay Lonzo a cent over $17M. Just because we have cap space doesn?t mean we have to spend it like it?s burning a hole in our pocket. Hold on to that cash until you find a player via sign or trade, rather than just going after what?s on the market right now. There is nothing worse than being in perpetual suck because we had to spend the money the moment the market opened.
08-02-2021, 11:47 AM
UNO Gracias

Quote:

Originally Posted by As I See It

A team's fans, by definition, lack objectivity.

Across the street on Airline Drive there was a guy who played five years longer than he should have, but don't tell a Saints fan that. While the team was chasing championships, he was chasing Hall of Fame records and collecting inflated paychecks along the way.

Are you talking about Brees? He was an MVP contender as recently as 2018. I’ll give you he wasn’t great last year, but even in 2020 he was performing at a Pro Bowl level.
08-02-2021, 11:59 AM
13 - 3

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Originally Posted by luigi modelo

He got microchipped

Charlotte Hornets like your avatar
08-02-2021, 12:00 PM
13 - 3

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

Are you talking about Brees? He was an MVP contender as recently as 2018. I’ll give you he wasn’t great last year, but even in 2020 he was performing at a Pro Bowl level.

Makes you wonder when they will want to kick Zion to curb?
08-02-2021, 12:04 PM
UNO Gracias

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Originally Posted by 13 - 3

Makes you wonder when they will want to kick Zion to curb?

Well, if they think Brees’ last good year was 5 years ago they were probably done with Zion after his 5th game at Duke.
08-02-2021, 12:09 PM
13 - 3

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

Well, if they think Brees’ last good year was 5 years ago they were probably done with Zion after his 5th game at Duke.

True. They say he plays no defense.
08-02-2021, 12:13 PM
13 - 3

Never forget also some posters gave our draft picks a “D”.
08-02-2021, 12:22 PM
UNO Gracias

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Originally Posted by 13 - 3

True. They say he plays no defense.

To be fair, Brees didn’t play defense either.
08-02-2021, 01:21 PM
13 - 3

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

To be fair, Brees didn’t play defense either.

He has impressive shot though, JJ never had that

https://www.facebook.com/neworleanss...1985375742334/
08-02-2021, 01:39 PM
Taker597

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Originally Posted by AusPel

Myles Turner and Malcolm Brogdon are available, but the #Pacers aren't loving the offers. Think they'll work very hard to move Jeremy Lamb. https://t.co/sqUIIKPKNR
— Evan Massey (@massey_evan) August 2, 2021

Pull a Celtics and let them walk for nothing because you want a ransom.
08-02-2021, 02:10 PM
Eman5805

Quote:

Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

I disagree, and this is where I think there are two different kinds of objectives.

Some people want to do everything to maximize the chance to win a title. Some want to have a team with players they want to root for. Obviously both types want both things, but when it comes to a decision where you have to prioritize one or the other, some prioritize A and others B.

If I were a Saints fan, I'd rather welcome Brees back and have him finish his career here and probably have no real chance at a title last year than have acquired, say, Ryan Tannehill and have a 5-10% chance at a title and kick Brees out the door or have him play for another team.

I believe the point of sports is entertainment and titles are nice, but you get more overall entertainment and joy from watching guys you like and who grow with the team have success than you do have a bunch of mercenaries win your team a title. I definitely did not think that when I was younger, but as I got older, I want that more than a better chances at titles with mercenaries

In my head force out means the new guy has considerable upside. Like the alternate universe where we drafted Patrick Mahomes. Or Lamar Jackson is instead perfectly okay with being behind Brees for a year or two until his talent is too obvious to ignore and Brees is looking much older by comparison.

Any average replacement wouldn?t do.
08-03-2021, 02:10 AM
UNO Gracias

Yeah, that 2017 draft really screwed the Saints, or more the Chiefs actions in the 2017 draft really screwed the Saints. That really would have changed Brees’ timeline, as well as given the Saints a better option than what they have had at qb for the last season and a half. To think Brady would have come here only makes things sadder.

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