Over/Under Wednesday 12pm For Gentry Announcement

Because it can't happen any sooner I guess. After the game is wishful thinking. Also, AD is a DB wearing that crap.

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Originally Posted by WildlifeAirGrp

Because it can't happen any sooner I guess. After the game is wishful thinking. Also, AD is a DB wearing that crap.

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Please, please, please, please, please...… Looks like they wrapped up GM interviews today. Everything could come together rather quick.

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Originally Posted by Hoochican

Please, please, please, please, please...… Looks like they wrapped up GM interviews today. Everything could come together rather quick.

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Saw a tweet earlier today, though I can't remember where from, that said we shouldn't expect a new GM announcement this week. I don't see a coaching change happening before the GM change, for obvious reasons, so I'm saying we don't hear anything about HC until the middle of next week.

That said, I'm going to make this argument: I think they keep Gentry. I don't want him to stay, I want him gone, but I don't have any faith in this franchise at the moment and if the buzz around Ferry turns out to be legit, I think Ferry keeps Gentry. Which is sad.

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Originally Posted by Hoochican

Please, please, please, please, please...… Looks like they wrapped up GM interviews today. Everything could come together rather quick.

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So you are thinking...Gentry tomorrow...GM Wednesday...Becky Hammon in a week or so

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Saw a tweet earlier today, though I can't remember where from, that said we shouldn't expect a new GM announcement this week. I don't see a coaching change happening before the GM change, for obvious reasons, so I'm saying we don't hear anything about HC until the middle of next week.

That said, I'm going to make this argument: I think they keep Gentry. I don't want him to stay, I want him gone, but I don't have any faith in this franchise at the moment and if the buzz around Ferry turns out to be legit, I think Ferry keeps Gentry. Which is sad.

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the debacle loss versus the Suns is inexcusable. That sealed his fate. The front office will not be able to sell one more season/half season/weekend special/Guys Night Out/Bobblehead Night ticket with him at the helm.

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Originally Posted by WildlifeAirGrp

the debacle loss versus the Suns is inexcusable. That sealed his fate. The front office will not be able to sell one more season/half season/weekend special/Guys Night Out/Bobblehead Night ticket with him at the helm.

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Honestly, I'm not sure how true that is. Sure, among die-hard fans who actually follow lottery odds, it's inexcusable. But take a look on a Pelicans instagram page, or Pels fanpage on Facebook, and look at how the average fans view things. They see things like Gentry does: immediately, without long term consideration. They LIKE when we win, even if in the long term, it's bad.

If the team makes Ferry GM, they keep Gentry as HC. That's what I think will happen. I have zero sources on this, it's just my prediction.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Honestly, I'm not sure how true that is. Sure, among die-hard fans who actually follow lottery odds, it's inexcusable. But take a look on a Pelicans instagram page, or Pels fanpage on Facebook, and look at how the average fans view things. They see things like Gentry does: immediately, without long term consideration. They LIKE when we win, even if in the long term, it's bad.

If the team makes Ferry GM, they keep Gentry as HC. That's what I think will happen. I have zero sources on this, it's just my prediction.

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Go to bed!

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Originally Posted by Tinman

Go to bed!

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Never, my final dissertation is due on Friday. I can't sleep right now.

Gentry prob gets fired, wouldn't mind him staying with the team in a front office role.

I actually wouldn't mind hiring Chris Finch. He's highly sought after from other teams, and it'd be nice for him to coach the team. He'd stick around and help develop Jah and Wood even more.

I'm going with over. Because I think we will hire a GM before we fire Gentry.

He thinks he is returning

"We are going to be good next year, and we are going to make the playoffs... you can quote me on that."

HC Alvin Gentry talks post game after last game in Smoothie King Center for the season. #doitBIG | @pelicansnba pic.twitter.com/n12OKkSaDt

— FOXSports NewOrleans (@FOXSportsNOLA) April 10, 2019

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Originally Posted by 13 - 3

He thinks he is returning

"We are going to be good next year, and we are going to make the playoffs... you can quote me on that."

HC Alvin Gentry talks post game after last game in Smoothie King Center for the season. #doitBIG | @pelicansnba pic.twitter.com/n12OKkSaDt

— FOXSports NewOrleans (@FOXSportsNOLA) April 10, 2019

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Interesting that last comment was directed towards Fletcher. I can't see how possibly he returns. This isn't like Monty's deal.

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Originally Posted by 13 - 3

He thinks he is returning

"We are going to be good next year, and we are going to make the playoffs... you can quote me on that."

HC Alvin Gentry talks post game after last game in Smoothie King Center for the season. #doitBIG | @pelicansnba pic.twitter.com/n12OKkSaDt

— FOXSports NewOrleans (@FOXSportsNOLA) April 10, 2019

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I never thought he was getting fired. Randall and Payton are getting payed and we just have to hope they take another step in their careers. Elf needs to perfect his 3 ball (as does Randall) and Julius needs to up his defense. Despite my stance on Gentry, I don’t think we are that screwed. We luck out in the draft and make the right trade- we’ll be pretty decent. For better or worse

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Originally Posted by JJackisangry

I never thought he was getting fired. Randall and Payton are getting payed and we just have to hope they take another step in their careers. Elf needs to perfect his 3 ball (as does Randall) and Julius needs to up his defense. Despite my stance on Gentry, I don’t think we are that screwed. We luck out in the draft and make the right trade- we’ll be pretty decent. For better or worse

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There is no worse outcome, for me, than signing Ferry as GM, keeping Gentry as HC, paying Randle and Payton big money, and just running things back with a rookie. I would be absolutely in a state of despair with this franchise.

Not necessarily even because I think that team is total trash or anything, although I think it certainly does have its flaws. No. The reason I'd be in despair is this: it would tell us that the ownership straight up lied to us as fans. They told us there would be serious changes, that the structure of the franchise would differ, that they were looking to give the Pels as much attention and support as they give the Saints, etc etc. If that translates into hiring the guy we already have, retaining the coach we already have, and resigning the same players we already have, then what that tells me is that it was all lip service, and that the ownership and upper management really don't care any more than they did last season.

I don't even disagree that we may be decent next season in that case. But we've had decent seasons with Gentry before. We made the playoffs last year: 6th seed, second round, looked pretty good against the eventual champs in Golden State. Probably should have won a game. Maybe even two, if the free throws were more even.

Look at where we are now. Gentry may be a capable coach, but he's so fragile. What I mean by that is simple: he can coach, if eeeeeverything is juuuuuust right. If you have the exact right lineups, with the exact right basketball styles, running with permanent 100% focus, then you can get pretty good results. But one injury, or a night where one player is off, or a player gets signed that isn't quite what they expected, and Gentry collapses. Just folds like a wet cardboard box. We saw that last season compared with this: last season, Jrue was healthy and a star, after Cousins went down AD locked in and played at his top tier level, Niko was on point everywhere, Emeka just came in and slotted right into position to soak up minutes, Moore was having 30 point games, and so we won and won and won.

This season, we have Payton get injured, and immediately lose multiple games in a row despite the rest of the team still being healthy. Then more people get injured, and Gentry starts coaching like an imbecile. Then people get healthy again and he keeps tweaking the lineups. His rotations weren't good all season, even when everyone was there. Then we try to start tanking, and he can't even do that right, as he piles minutes on minutes on to our starters and actively supports short-term benefit moves (Laker's trade) over the future of the franchise.

Combine that coach, who I have absolutely no faith in to be consistently good, and who is not a player development coach whatsoever, with new rookies who will be somewhat unknown as NBA caliber players, and then pay big contracts ($16m per for 3 years, for example) to people like Julius, and I'm convinced this franchise wants to alienate its fans. Those moves tell me that they don't care. Don't promise us change and then serve us back the same crap re-heated.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

There is no worse outcome, for me, than signing Ferry as GM, keeping Gentry as HC, paying Randle and Payton big money, and just running things back with a rookie. I would be absolutely in a state of despair with this franchise.

Not necessarily even because I think that team is total trash or anything, although I think it certainly does have its flaws. No. The reason I'd be in despair is this: it would tell us that the ownership straight up lied to us as fans. They told us there would be serious changes, that the structure of the franchise would differ, that they were looking to give the Pels as much attention and support as they give the Saints, etc etc. If that translates into hiring the guy we already have, retaining the coach we already have, and resigning the same players we already have, then what that tells me is that it was all lip service, and that the ownership and upper management really don't care any more than they did last season.

I don't even disagree that we may be decent next season in that case. But we've had decent seasons with Gentry before. We made the playoffs last year: 6th seed, second round, looked pretty good against the eventual champs in Golden State. Probably should have won a game. Maybe even two, if the free throws were more even.

Look at where we are now. Gentry may be a capable coach, but he's so fragile. What I mean by that is simple: he can coach, if eeeeeverything is juuuuuust right. If you have the exact right lineups, with the exact right basketball styles, running with permanent 100% focus, then you can get pretty good results. But one injury, or a night where one player is off, or a player gets signed that isn't quite what they expected, and Gentry collapses. Just folds like a wet cardboard box. We saw that last season compared with this: last season, Jrue was healthy and a star, after Cousins went down AD locked in and played at his top tier level, Niko was on point everywhere, Emeka just came in and slotted right into position to soak up minutes, Moore was having 30 point games, and so we won and won and won.

This season, we have Payton get injured, and immediately lose multiple games in a row despite the rest of the team still being healthy. Then more people get injured, and Gentry starts coaching like an imbecile. Then people get healthy again and he keeps tweaking the lineups. His rotations weren't good all season, even when everyone was there. Then we try to start tanking, and he can't even do that right, as he piles minutes on minutes on to our starters and actively supports short-term benefit moves (Laker's trade) over the future of the franchise.

Combine that coach, who I have absolutely no faith in to be consistently good, and who is not a player development coach whatsoever, with new rookies who will be somewhat unknown as NBA caliber players, and then pay big contracts ($16m per for 3 years, for example) to people like Julius, and I'm convinced this franchise wants to alienate its fans. Those moves tell me that they don't care. Don't promise us change and then serve us back the same crap re-heated.

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Agreed. I have no faith in them to do the right thing. I’ve accepted it for what it is- a business decision. They want to win now so they can fill seats and advertise the team. It probably won’t work in the long run (unless we luck out in the draft BIG time with a steal or Zion).

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Originally Posted by JJackisangry

Agreed. I have no faith in them to do the right thing. I’ve accepted it for what it is- a business decision. They want to win now so they can fill seats and advertise the team. It probably won’t work in the long run (unless we luck out in the draft BIG time with a steal or Zion).

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I don't think you're wrong by the way, I've said it a bunch of times that I think they'll just hire Ferry, keep Gentry, etc. It's just depressing. I wish they'd release who the new GM is now so that I can either be relieved, or have the band-aid ripped off.

If the team turns around and does the exact same thing after just going through this AD situation, I'm probably out.

Nothing would scream incompetence more than hiring Ferry, keeping Gentry, and giving big money contracts to Randle and Elf. It'd make all the complaints about this organization that they have so strongly denied, true.

David Griffin could be off the market soon if Lebron has his way.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

If the team turns around and does the exact same thing after just going through this AD situation, I'm probably out.

Nothing would scream incompetence more than hiring Ferry, keeping Gentry, and giving big money contracts to Randle and Elf. It'd make all the complaints about this organization that they have so strongly denied, true.

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I'm not sure I'd be out, but my willingness to watch all 82 games next year would be dented, no doubt.

They have to realise it's time to do something new, right? Like, you can't just lose a top 5 player so dramatically and try to keep things the same. Even KD didn't leave OKC this dramatically.

The biggest indictment to me is as Pelicandae said- we allowed the team to fall apart after the injury to Payton- a role player. I have heard the “injury blues” “bad luck” schtick for years, but for God’s sake you have to make your own luck. He couldn’t make the adjustments and his shortcomings as a coach were on display for the league to see. I came across as a broken record I’m sure, but he hadn’t impressed since he has been here, and last season was about as tight knit as you could get- we very easily could have fallen to 8th seed with the snap of a finger. Just not good enough and an indictment of the franchise as well. Poorly run and will probably continue to be poorly run

Danny Ferry, David Griffin & Gersson Rosas have emerged as the favorites in the Pelicans’ GM search. Rosas impressed Pelicans officials during his interview, but the experience of Ferry and Griffin is highly valued by the brain trust and appears to have given them the edge.

— Jeff Duncan (@JeffDuncan_) April 10, 2019

Sounds like it's either Ferry or Griffin. I'd wager that if we don't offer Griffin the big money ASAP, he may well just go to LA. Which leaves us with Ferry.

*Sigh*

If they want Griffin they better hire him now.

As for Gentry I understand people wanting him fired just to get him a fresh start, but its not like he had the most talent to work with his entire tenure here. As much of a talent AD is he couldn't do it alone. Jrue was a solid "Robin" to AD's "Batman" but we just never had the role players nor the bench to really be a threat. Years of terrible contracts and a roster full of D-Leaguers... Gentry did what he could do with what he had.

But it just might be time for a new face.

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Originally Posted by DroopyDawg

If they want Griffin they better hire him now.

As for Gentry I understand people wanting him fired just to get him a fresh start, but its not like he had the most talent to work with his entire tenure here. As much of a talent AD is he couldn't do it alone. Jrue was a solid "Robin" to AD's "Batman" but we just never had the role players nor the bench to really be a threat. Years of terrible contracts and a roster full of D-Leaguers... Gentry did what he could do with what he had.

But it just might be time for a new face.

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May be perfect scenario for Pelicans' management. If the Lakers swoop in and hire Griffin, they can use the excuse that they wanted an experienced person and therefore had to hire Ferry. It gives them an "out."

Danny Ferry might not be as bad as it sounds. Seems like he is good at finding diamonds in the rough.

I still don't mind Ferry. Why are people so positive that if it is Ferry that Gentry is definitely staying? Gentry was hired before Ferry came to NOLA.

There does not appear to be a "home run" candidate. All have their positives and negatives. Personally, I was hoping we would interview Zarren, but maybe he was too much of a longshot or was not interested. Both Griffin and Ferry has their warts. So, we will just have to wait and see what happens.

if you give gentry some 3 and D players that like to play uptempo then we will have a high scoring and fun team that will win games and have us in the playoffs this up coming season....give gentry a strong 10 man rotation and the team can compete....

we had a high scoring offense at the beginning of the season and gentry was only using a 8 man rotation and hill and miller was not giving us anything on offense at that time so gentry had a 6 man scoring machine that was scoring over 100pts....if gentry stays then the GM has to give the man his type of players to succeed......no one can deny the high scoring offense he can produce when he has the players he need....give the man talent and sit back and enjoy the ride.....

AD killed this playoff season for us...

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if you give gentry some 3 and D players that like to play uptempo then we will have a high scoring and fun team that will win games and have us in the playoffs this up coming season....give gentry a strong 10 man rotation and the team can compete....

we had a high scoring offense at the beginning of the season and gentry was only using a 8 man rotation and hill and miller was not giving us anything on offense at that time so gentry had a 6 man scoring machine that was scoring over 100pts....if gentry stays then the GM has to give the man his type of players to succeed......no one can deny the high scoring offense he can produce when he has the players he need....give the man talent and sit back and enjoy the ride.....

AD killed this playoff season for us...

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I don't think anyone has ever denied that Gentry can construct a high scoring offense.

The question is whether he can construct a good defense, and whether he can win. The answer on those seems to be no.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

I don't think anyone has ever denied that Gentry can construct a high scoring offense.

The question is whether he can construct a good defense, and whether he can win. The answer on those seems to be no.

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he has a defensive coach so some of that falls on erman....and last season the team showed that they can play defense...defense is effort and thats on the players....the only turn over from last season team is payton and randal over rondo so we had the same team that shut the blazers down but i believe that when AD signed with rich paul, the players knew he was not going to be here and believed that he would be traded before the deadline and it was every man for themselves because some didnt know if they were going to be traded also so it was all about getting theirs with just padding the offensive stats........like i said, AD killed this playoff season because the same players were here that played good defense last season....randal was playing decent defense until things start falling apart......and if you give gentry the players he need,,he wins...

majority of people on this board has been saying that houston will loose in the first round because they dont play defense and those people has been proven wrong every time....defense is effort and houston was giving enough effort playing defense to win...thats on the players.........we was a top 4 scoring offensive team and that should of had us in the playoff race....i believe that the players knew before AD made his trade talk that he was leaving and they didnt care and was all about their selves and didnt care about defense because this same team was good and played defense last season.....the players get majority of the blame for the lack of defensive effort........gentry can win with the right players who care because he won last season and should have been in the playoffs this season......if he stays, just give him the right players who want to be here and we will have success....

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Originally Posted by 6warddude

he has a defensive coach so some of that falls on erman....and last season the team showed that they can play defense...defense is effort and thats on the players....the only turn over from last season team is payton and randal over rondo so we had the same team that shut the blazers down but i believe that when AD signed with rich paul, the players knew he was not going to be here and believed that he would be traded before the deadline and it was every man for themselves because some didnt know if they were going to be traded also so it was all about getting theirs with just padding the offensive stats........like i said, AD killed this playoff season because the same players were here that played good defense last season....randal was playing decent defense until things start falling apart......and if you give gentry the players he need,,he wins...

majority of people on this board has been saying that houston will loose in the first round because they dont play defense and those people has been proven wrong every time....defense is effort and houston was giving enough effort playing defense to win...thats on the players.........we was a top 4 scoring offensive team and that should of had us in the playoff race....i believe that the players knew before AD made his trade talk that he was leaving and they didnt care and was all about their selves and didnt care about defense because this same team was good and played defense last season.....the players get majority of the blame for the lack of defensive effort........gentry can win with the right players who care because he won last season and should have been in the playoffs this season......if he stays, just give him the right players who want to be here and we will have success....

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A lot of this is just your opinion, and that's totally fine, we'll have to agree to disagree. I see last season as more of a condemnation of Gentry than a defense: a short period of time in which everyone was exceptional was what was required for Gentry's system to look good. Maybe that works in Golden State where you have three all stars, but on most teams you don't get that kind of production. If your system only works when you have an entire roster firing in all cylinders on both ends at all times, your system is broken. As for players playing hard, part of that is on the coach. Coach Pop manages to get everyone to play hard on D. Sure it's unfair to compare almost any coach to Pop, but it's just an example: if the entire team is giving up on D, maybe that's a sign that there's an issue with the system.

Maybe that's all Erman's fault instead of Gentry, sure. But then it's Gentry's fault for continuing to have Erman constructing the defense. At the end of the day, the coach has some input on his staff, and if he refuses to fix the issues within his control then he's responsible for them.

Also, the idea that Randle was playing decent defense is a joke, frankly. The biggest knock on him all season has been his absolute disregard on defense. Even people who love Randle more than me because of his awesome offense have admitted that his defense sucks. They just don't think it matters. Which is fine, but don't pretend the issue isn't there.

I'm with 6ward.

Defense is effort and motivation. AD absolutely destroyed that. And he destroyed it months before his trade request. It was after the Payton injury and he went to eat with LeBron. You could see it in the team. Morale dipped insanely low. Once that happened, the D was not ever going to solidify with how our morale went.

Over/ Under this boards tears are the lubrication that will glide Gentrys Pelicans into the playoffs next year?

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Originally Posted by msusousaphone

I'm with 6ward.

Defense is effort and motivation. AD absolutely destroyed that. And he destroyed it months before his trade request. It was after the Payton injury and he went to eat with LeBron. You could see it in the team. Morale dipped insanely low. Once that happened, the D was not ever going to solidify with how our morale went.

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Sure.

Does that also count for the first 50 games of last season?

Or the year before that?

Or the year before that?

We've had no consistent defense during the Gentry era. Sometimes it's been good, sometimes it's been bad. Usually bad. Our defense goes as our players go, sure, but it doesn't HAVE to be that way. Look at good defensive teams. If you build a system that dies in disgrace just because one guy can't be bothered today, and you can never adjust it, then your system is garbage.

Connections with LA

The name that keeps coming up as the Lakers’ natural target: Ex-UCLA Bruin Bob Myers https://t.co/I8R9dBwdUQ

— Marc Stein (@TheSteinLine) April 11, 2019

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Sure.

Does that also count for the first 50 games of last season?

Or the year before that?

Or the year before that?

We've had no consistent defense during the Gentry era. Sometimes it's been good, sometimes it's been bad. Usually bad. Our defense goes as our players go, sure, but it doesn't HAVE to be that way. Look at good defensive teams. If you build a system that dies in disgrace just because one guy can't be bothered today, and you can never adjust it, then your system is garbage.

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Tied for 8th in team defense 2017-2018

Consistently in the 20's every other year

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Connections with LA

The name that keeps coming up as the Lakers’ natural target: Ex-UCLA Bruin Bob Myers https://t.co/I8R9dBwdUQ

— Marc Stein (@TheSteinLine) April 11, 2019

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Not sure I see the connection with Gentry/Pelicans.

If had not happened yet. It’s not happening. Gentry stays. Ferry is the GM.

Presser probably will be after the Masters & Horse Racing

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Tied for 8th in team defense 2017-2018

Consistently in the 20's every other year

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Consistently in the 20s is not good. At all. But what I mean is more within seasons, there's an up and down pattern. We'll play good defense for a dozen games, then awful defense for a dozen games. Doesn't appear to matter who is injured or who is in the lineups. That's a bad thing. That reflects very poorly on Gentry.