Pels get Parsons and Beal
Griz get Hill, Jackson, Johnson
Wiz get Niko, Moore, Griz 1st, Pels 1st, 2020 2nd from Pels
Does anyone say no to this?
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yddm8tmm
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Pels get Parsons and Beal
Griz get Hill, Jackson, Johnson
Wiz get Niko, Moore, Griz 1st, Pels 1st, 2020 2nd from Pels
Does anyone say no to this?
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yddm8tmm
Sounds good to me
I would do it, but would they?
I rather trade our own first than to trade for Parsons. Parsons is done done, that's a worse contract than Hill.
It's the same length as Hill's contract. Worst case scenario is he's a huge expiring contract this time next year. Beal is going to require multiple 1st. The question is what's realistically out there to secure the 2nd 1st, or alternatively trading our 2019 and 2021 picks. I'd MUCH rather take on Parsons than have to trade our 2021 pick.
If AD signs super max you have a team with Jrue/Beal/AD. If AD leaves you build around Jrue, Beal, Tatum/Ingram/Simmons (or whatever assets you get for AD) and have a ton of cap space in 2020 when Parsons is done. I'd be excited about the team either way.
Memphis wants to trade Parsons instead of an expensive buyout. That's going to cost them a 1. And the deal clears about ~ $12m for them next season. Getting Frank makes it hard to say NO to IMO.
Wiz get 2 solid contributors, 2 1st round picks (either Pels or Griz or both will be in lottery), and what could be a high 2nd round pick. And they save money. That would be one of the best trade hauls in a while.
No, I want Chandler, but not in a trade with that contract.. I also would like to hold onto Frank if at all possible
So what is it you would give up to get Beal? Washington wants at least two 1st.
Would you rather give up our 2021 pick or take on Parsons through next season? That's basically what it boils down to. IMO, I'd gladly take on Parsons if it meant getting the asset necessary to deal for Beal while holding on to my own 2021 pick.
Sorry but this trade is fair for all teams:
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ya7v2dld
Beal, Satoransky and Green to Pels.
Mathews, Smith Jr and Jackson and 2 Pels 1sts to Washington.
Moore, Randle and Johnson and Pels 2019 2nd to Dallas.
It's not bad, but better for who??
The 2021 pick has more value than the cap space we'd lose from being stuck with Parsons next season. We'd also still be stuck with Hill so it's essentially $10m more for Parsons or the 2021 pick. That's a no brainer for me.
While I'm not sold on the trade, unless I am missing something, I believe the trade machine is correct. Per Larry Coon's CBA FAQ:
A non tax paying (or tax paying) team can take back up to 125% plus 100k of the outgoing salary. In the trade above, we are sending out $41.1M. Thus, we can receive up to $51.5M. Unless I am missing something, in there, it does seem to be legal. See bullet 86 at the link: http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm
ETA: I double checked it on realGM's "trade checker" and it also says that it is legal, with the following summary:
https://basketball.realgm.com/tradec..._trade/7154590Quote:
Congratulations on a successful trade
Due to New Orleans being over the cap and having a post-trade Team Salary over the Tax Threshold, the 25% trade rule is invoked. New Orleans could not receive more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here.
Due to Memphis being over the cap and having a post-trade Team Salary under the Tax Threshold and trading out more than $19.6M in salaries, the 25% trade rule is invoked. Memphis could not receive more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. Also, Memphis met the requirements of the Hard Cap rules of staying under the Tax Threshold plus $4M for adjusted post-trade Team Salary.
Due to Washington being over the cap and having a post-trade Team Salary over the Tax Threshold, the 25% trade rule is invoked. Washington could not receive more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here.
This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.
I’d much rather porter than chandler. If I’m using all my cap on 4 players anyway. I looked at it but it’d be hard to put a team around them. I think I was able to keep Okafor, Randle or Mirotic, Payton, and Jackson. Knowing they want Jackson just makes me adjust a bit but we’d have no money for other players and be right at the cap.
I don't think I can get behind this (or it's going to take a fair bit of planning to work it long term). You would have roughly $105.4 million locked up going into next season in just:
AD: 27
Jrue: 26.7
Beal: 27
Parsons: 25.1
with the remainder taking you over the cap ($109.6M).
The cap is set to be $109 million I'm pretty sure, lux being $132. So you'd have the MLE ($9.2M), and minimums to use (BAE is out, as we used that to sign Elfrid this season).
With these players all coming off the books that you'd need to replace :
Miller
Randle
Payton
Clark
Frazier
as well as sending out 5 players and only getting back 2 in the earlier trade. So you'd be rolling with roughly $109.6 million in salary with 7 players:
AD
Jrue
Beal
Parsons
Diallo
Okafor
Williams
Maybe you can re-snag payton with part of the MLE and gives a home town discount (maybe he doesn't and does a rondo).
Parsons at this point is yet to prove he can even play in the NBA and not fall to his death (which of course is guaranteed with him coming to NOLA). It just feels like Dell would have to be signing (or already have signed) a lot of fringe guys for 75% of the roster, which potentially leaves us in the same position we are already in with our depth issues (even more so potentially). Throw an injury at one of AD, Jrue or Beal and it just looks ugly quick.
Sure there could then be further moves to make, sending out parsons elsewhere but it just feels like it would be a hard sell to show AD the big picture. This is just my initial thoughts, so happy to discuss more. I guess you could talk up Parsons being a large expiring with the aim of moving him for some depth, but that's really going to have to be in the next season and there is the potential for it to not be till the deadline. That's a long time to run carrying his broken body and $25 million.
I'm just wondering if Memphis continues on its slide down, whether they look to blow it up with Gasol and Conley by the deadline. What options could that open up directly or indirectly.
I get you are taking on Parsons to purely get a 1st rounder from Memphis but give me Mahinmi who isn't inured and keep our 2nd 1st rounder if that's the case.
We don't have the assets to get Porter AND Beal.
If AD stays you're using all of your cap for only 1 season on 4 players. Keeping your pick allows you to trade that pick next season plus Parsons' huge expiring for an asset you'd rather commit to, or just keep him and let him expire. If AD leaves, you're building around Beal and Jrue, the assets you get from an AD trade, and the front office is not buyers in free agency until 2020 anyway. Parsons is off the books when that happens.
I'd rather Parsons, but if taking Mahinmi reduces the price to only one first rounder I wouldn't be opposed. Bottom line for me is finding away to give Wiz a good deal that they'd accept without giving up our 2021. I'd bet there preference would be the deal that gets them the picks vs the deal that offloads Mahinmi. But either would probably be acceptable to the Pels.
I could get behind getting Porter.
Washington gets: Niko, Hill, Moore, Johnson, Afernee Simons, Wade Baldwin, NOP 1st, NOP 2021 1st, POR 2nd
We get: Beal, Porter, Green and Aminu
Portland get: Randle, Satoransky
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y7r7au97
Jrue/Beal/Porter/Aminu/AD could be potent offensively and defensively.
Bench not too bad either with Payton/Frank/Miller/Green/Jah
Maybe flip Clark, Diallo and a 2nd for Justin Holiday if Memphis keep sinking.
This isn't about getting Parsons for any on court impact. This is about extracting an asset to take on salary and using it to put a legit 3rd star next to AD and Jrue. You figure it out next year using MLE and minimums if you have 3 stars. Then you have Parson's huge expiring and your 2021 draft choice to make a move at the deadline or the following off season.
Maybe you can convince Randle to do the "wink wink" opt in with a huge pay day the following year when Parsons comes off the books. Once you get the star like Beal - without giving up your 2021 - I think you actually have more flexibility than you give the team credit for, considering you'd have your big 3 locked in.
If AD leaves, who cares that we have Parsons for $24m on the books next season?!
I'd rather AD not leave. Adding Parsons seems to be pushing him towards that door. That contract would be untradeable unless we end up using a 1st anyway, and it wont leave us with much usable cap space when it expires. Since AD extension will kick in following next season I'm thinking.
I see where you're going with keeping the pick though. It would be nice to have it, if AD does walk.
I’m not taking chandler unless he’s at the min. He’s a guy that when healthy is a good player but the problem is he’s NEVER healthy. Plus if you did manage to get Porter and AD leaves your rebuilding around Jrue, Beal, and Porter. At that point you could get only youth and picks and not worry about veterans as much.
I’d hope we could flip Randle to Brooklyn but we looking at a complete overhaul that would hurt getting to the playoffs.
I understand it isn't about getting him for any impact, but when you have $25M on the books its a big factor if the guy cannot contribute. Look at the Asik and Hill signings and the vitriol they bring when people discuss them. Yes it might get Beal, but then he doesn't go away. As I mentioned, it could take till the trade deadline next season to move him as an expiring and that is a long time to carry $25 mill salary and a guy who doesn't contribute. And in that time if one of Jrue, AD or Beal gets injured you are very much in a bad place because you are really lacking depth.
I'm not caring about Parsons if AD wants to leave at all, this is purely about how much flexibility we give ourselves to flesh out our depth if we take on $25M of potential dead space in addition to a $27M third star. Say off-season comes and you want to move Parsons, you're going to have to give up a first just to get rid of him. And that's about all you can offer, because you really have zero other trade assets at that point (that you don't want to keep). Jah, Diallo, and Williams aren't enticing to anyone. Your first rounder went out in the trade for the draft just gone so no "buddy hield" type player to draw interest. Otherwise its wait till trade deadline, or following off-season and have him come off the books like you said. That is now going into 20-21 season, AD's Player Option season if he doesn't sign before then.
I'm just trying to flesh this scenario out more, If I'm AD and you go and sign Beal I would be really happy with the move but then question our depth and plan to fill it out if we also have Parsons. So let's say off-season rolls around, what is the type of plan for signing/filling in the roster around the trio with the MLE and minimums? Would Elfrid be a key player you'd target to return? If Yes, what is your second focus say you can bring Payton back using half the MLE. I could see Darius coming back for nothing. A wink wink with randle seems rather unlikely, or certainly not something you could sell as a plan to someone. But lets say Randle buys in and takes his PO, Elfrid takes half MLE so $4.8, Darius takes $2.4M of MLE. Leaving $2.2M of the MLE, and minimums.
That has it as
Payton (4.8)
Holiday (26.7)
Beal (27)
Randle (9)
Davis (27)
Parsons (25.1)
Miller (2.4)
Okafor (1.7)
Diallo (1.9)
Williams (1.4)
Total: 127M with the lux being 132M. So 5 million to fill out the rest (williams could be cut if we wanted, Diallo is team option, same with okafor). So you'd be trying to sign a couple of Vet Minimums in there as they would help keep costs down, but that isn't a lot of room. You could sign more and go into the lux, with intent to move Parsons by seasons end to avoid the tax but it's a tough situation to put yourself in (certainly for a team that when you look at it, doesn't exactly scream contender).
if asik and hill were bad contracts then why do we want parsons ?......who will take him off our hands?....i dont think demps would make another move like that for a third time...
Memphis will buy out Chandler.. His 48 million owed is not worth a 1st round pick...
If we want to try to get out of 1 first rounder, we could work a 4 team trade (I believe Cleveland will look to move Love before the deadline)
Atlanta gets: Kevin Love
Cleveland gets: Mahinmi, Hill
Washington gets: Bazemore, Randle, Wes 2019 Pels 1st
Pels get: Beal, Dedmon
Everyone wins
mark cuban has made barnes and smith jr. mad about what he said about american players...they had a convo about it and barnes still want to talk about it....
so i would give cuban what he want and give up niko + hill for barnes.......that would give us jrue,,barnes and AD for this season and next ...
i dont why alot of yall want to give up randall when yall know AD recruited him to come here.....im not giving up that beast randall because we need his inside scoring to get in the playoffs....
we are the second or third scoring team in the league so we can put up points...we have to play better defense.......if we had been playing better defense in these past games,,we would have a winning record...
Everyone keeps talking about Memphis pick, but there is a risk that Celtics could have the pick in 2019 and not Memphis.
Memphis Grizzlies first-round pick: The Celtics receive this pick if it falls between Nos. 9 and 30. If it does not convey in 2019, the pick then becomes top-6 protected in 2020. If the selection doesn’t convey by 2020, it becomes an unprotected 2021 first-rounder going to Boston
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It's easier to solver for depth than it is to get a guy like Beal. My assumption would be that if we get Beal either AD signs his extension this summer or we're trading AD this summer. I don't buy the scenario where we hang on to AD going into the 19-20 season without him signing his extension. So again, if AD is gone with Beal and Jrue you have at least the makings of similarly situated team as Portland built on an elite backcourt and whatever wings and assets you get from trading AD. If AD signs the extension, what else matters? We have more time, we trade Parsons at the deadline, and we likely go into the playoffs with really solid big 3.
Really trying to look into the crystal ball, but a $24m expiring at next year's deadline could maybe land you a Wiggins, a Kevin Love, a Zach Lavine, Otto Porter, or Evan Fournier. All of those players have contracts that are longer than Parsons and play for teams that I can easily imagine wanting to get out of those deals if they're not in playoff contention.
I cannot imagine any team willing to take on Parson's albatross of a contract. It would likely take multiple 1sts for Memphis to unload that deal and they would not do that.
Simply put, we dont have his bird rights, and Niko fits better than Randle..
As for the OP trade, looking more into it this would be an illegal trade.
1) It would put us into the tax, we cannot go into the tax because we are hard capped due to using the BAE on Payton.
2) Memphis doesnt currently have its 2019,2020, or 2021 1st to send out as they have protections on their pick going to Boston, so earliest any 1st from Memphis could be involved in a trade is a 2023
1 thing is for sure, at least one trade is coming. And Jackson going is pretty likely IMO
So don't get too attached to anyone not named Jrue or AD
Bye Solo :(
Also regarding number 2, I believe technically (not saying they would) that Memphis could trade it's 2019 or 2020 pick but only for the protected ranges. So it could trade 2019 1-8, 2020 1-6. 2021 is out as that is unprotected if not conveyed in the previous years to boston.
Here's a better version. Get Memphis out of there and bring in Charlotte:
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yajovlow
Wiz get our first, Charlotte's first and a future 2nd from Charlotte. Washington tanks, gets below the tax (saving over 20 mil total) and has 3 picks in the 2019 draft plus whatever they can get in a separate Ariza trade. Charlotte gets better this year for a playoff run plus opens up future money to pay Kemba.
Pels keep Niko and Frank and future draft picks. Depth is hurt as you are very top heavy with the first six but now its time for Frank and Jah to show they can be consistent rotation players. Kenrich gets a shot too and you have tons of roster spots to give guys a chance on 10 days or rest of season contracts
Link not loading for some. Trade was:
Wash: Moore, Wes, D. Bacon, Diallo, Pels 2019 1st, Char 2019 1st, future Charlotte 2nd
Char: Randle, Miller, Solo, Clark, fake Wash 2nd (to touch)
Pels: Batum, Beal, J Green
It's also a very expensive team and is a tax team next year for sure. Let's say you can bring Niko back for 15 mil and Payton gets most of your MLE -- that's 125 mil for your top 6 guys. Luckily Frank and Jahlil are cheap. But you don't have much to fill out your bench and you are gonna be a tax team for a few years.
If Gayle is willing to pay that, cool. But if not, you gotta let Niko walk and fill his spot with a 3 mil per year guy
I'm under the impression that we are willing to go into the tax as long as the roster is worthy. Am I wrong to think that?
You have to keep Jackson at all costs. Unless he is part of a trade that lands us a long term franchise piece, you keep him. His future is bright, and will be a big piece moving forward as his gets seasoned.
Hope Frank gets lots of burn tonight
so we are back to having jrue as starting PG which is bad....AD starting 5 with okafor as backup who gets in foul trouble which will have AD wore out lol....plus AD is getting hurt alot so now we dont have any depth and loose rebounding....
can anyone tell me how is this team better than the one we have now thats in the top 3 in scoring offense?....i rather keep the team we have now over that team with no depth,,no rebounding and players who gentry wont trust to play which goes back to no depth and jrue running the show.....