What happens first?

What is going to happen first?

I just want it to end. This team is built the wrong way from top to bottom.

On a good note, we played clean basketball tonight and looked better than usual for a good chunk of the 2nd half. Having said that, we are facing several issues.

Our team (when fully healthy) is made for playoff basketball. Our style isn’t sustainable for an 82 game season, hence the crap we see on the court. Until Payton is back with a vengeance, we will suck unless changes are made. Gentry needs to get this team moving the ball and hitting open 3’s. Too much iso crap on the court and not enough open looks.

Defensively- Christ. Team defense is yet again poor and the help is often late. We showed that we CAN play defense, but the effort is not there. Honestly, I don’t know whether to blame Erman or the players.

Gentry and Demps just got extensions. Unless Gayle does something drastic this trend will continue. Hey at least the Saints are winning.

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Originally Posted by AstroFire

Gentry and Demps just got extensions. Unless Gayle does something drastic this trend will continue. Hey at least the Saints are winning.

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Amen to that.

Last night was missing two starters against the current best record in the West, on a back to back. We played really well.

On the other hand, this team has lost some insanely winnable games.

But getting Payton back should fix most of the TO, depth, and even defensive issues.

We need a serviceable 3 in the worst way we can't keep have jrue and Moore guarding dudes 4 5 inches taller then them

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We need a serviceable 3 in the worst way we can't keep have jrue and Moore guarding dudes 4 5 inches taller then them

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This team needs plenty.
It needs a starting 3, a back up PG, a rim protector when AD is out and a bench.
Can't see all that being sorted by the deadline.

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Originally Posted by AUSSIE_PELICAN

This team needs plenty.
It needs a starting 3, a back up PG, a rim protector when AD is out and a bench.
Can't see all that being sorted by the deadline.

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I feel like we should be starting miller while Moore and Randle can be your scoring punch off the bench. I mean I would like to atleast see miller in the starting line so we can see what's up

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Originally Posted by AUSSIE_PELICAN

This team needs plenty.
It needs a starting 3, a back up PG, a rim protector when AD is out and a bench.
Can't see all that being sorted by the deadline.

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I agree we need plenty, but what? Is okafor playable? how about williams? Tim hasn't been great, but not horrible either. Gives more D effort, although not good at D, then all starters accept Jrue. if Gentry keeps playing holiday and davis 37 mins per we won't be even in the picture near trade deadline. NO LOGICAL REASON for oak not to get 4-8 mins. NONE. The guy sucked last yr. but appears to have worked hard for a shot. We need Davis. nico, and jr ALL ON THE COURT. let diallo and oak spell them.

Gentry should have let Hill do his thing late inthe game. Worked to perfection earlier in the year.

CP3 all over again

I’m going with “we lose our franchise player first”.

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

I’m going with “we lose our franchise player first”.

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I honestly think that’s a foregone conclusion at this point.

The tougher question is whether this ownership cares enough to get its act together post-AD before it sells the franchise off to one of the over-bidding Seattle business groups?

Maybe he will start caring by February like last year? What happened to angry Gentry? I was liking him last year when he was calling everyone out! Give me a coach that cares!

Coach Gentry is live with the media following tonight's game against Memphis

(via @CadillacNOLA) https://t.co/S0Dk9NLmMr

— New Orleans Pelicans (@PelicansNBA) December 8, 2018

Yup, it’s definitely going to be the coach...definitely.
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#Pelslife

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

Yup, it’s definitely going to be the coach...definitely.
:confused:

#Pelslife

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I seriously wouldn't be mad if Chris Finch became head coach. I'm expecting this actually because he will be gone after this season anyway.

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Originally Posted by N.O.Bronco

I honestly think that’s a foregone conclusion at this point.

The tougher question is whether this ownership cares enough to get its act together post-AD before it sells the franchise off to one of the over-bidding Seattle business groups?

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Dell wants to keep his job to keep the team good. You'll still have Jrue and hopefully Randle and cap space. Maybe Frank develops or maybe they hit on a draft pick. It's not likely but the front office isn't going to stop trying. I don't think they'll throw their hands up and stop trying.

If AD leaves, you have to let go of Demps. If he couldn’t do “It” with a generational talent that he was essentially handed, does he deserve a chance at trying to build it up again? I don’t think so.

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If AD leaves, you have to let go of Demps. If he couldn’t do “It” with a generational talent that he was essentially handed, does he deserve a chance at trying to build it up again? I don’t think so.

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AD is a generational talent, but is he really "THE" generational talent that can bring this franchise to a championship?

I was listening to NBA radio earlier today and they were taking about AD, and pretty much everyone agreed that a team will not win a championship with AD as the best player on that team, simply because he doesnt have that "dog" mentality, and doesnt demand excellence from his teammates like a Lebron/Westbrook type.

It's sad to say it because of how good AD is, he just doesnt have the right mentality to be the best player in the NBA like he should be.

Depends what he gets back for AD. Going into this season everyone was saying this was the most talented team AD has ever had. That's Dell's work.

Now because the talent isn't working right and is injured, Dell should be fired? Gentry, for sure, I'm all for clearing out the coaching staff, but I think the last 2 years Dell has been pretty good.

That said if they wanted to fire Dell, ok. I'm not going to die on the hill for him, but I trust him a lot more than I do Gentry. I don't
believe a new GM would suddenly make things better.

Gentry just got an extension. How much will this cost Gayle to get rid off him? Yeah not gonna happen.Since the Saints are winning Gayle is likely to ride this out the next 2 years. Gayle would much rather spend her money at Wal-Mart and that is fine with me. Now what may happen is Gentry is told to clean house. Erman, Vincents inc told to pack a bag and get out.

All indications are that the Pels were Mrs B's baby. If I remember correctly. I'm not so sure that she is just going to coast along. I believe she is far more likely to take action than Mr Benson with basketball.

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Depends what he gets back for AD. Going into this season everyone was saying this was the most talented team AD has ever had. That's Dell's work.

Now because the talent isn't working right and is injured, Dell should be fired? Gentry, for sure, I'm all for clearing out the coaching staff, but I think the last 2 years Dell has been pretty good.

That said if they wanted to fire Dell, ok. I'm not going to die on the hill for him, but I trust him a lot more than I do Gentry. I don't
believe a new GM would suddenly make things better.

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I think I mostly agree with you. But if we really are gonna tear it all down, I would want a completely objective person looking at the roster who knows he has at least a 3 year window to get the team on track. Demps would probably be (understandably) beholden to a few current players and that tends to trip GM's up during rebuilds. If the team decides to get rid of Gentry and trade AD, I think I'd prefer Dell heading out the door with them.

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I think I mostly agree with you. But if we really are gonna tear it all down, I would want a completely objective person looking at the roster who knows he has at least a 3 year window to get the team on track. Demps would probably be (understandably) beholden to a few current players and that tends to trip GM's up during rebuilds. If the team decides to get rid of Gentry and trade AD, I think I'd prefer Dell heading out the door with them.

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If the team thought that way I wouldn't be upset. To me though the last couple years Dell has been good. I also agree with his philosophy of using 1st round picks to get proven players. A new GM wouldn't probably do that.

TRADE:

PELS RECEIVE: Otto Porter SF, John Wall PG

WIZARDS RECEIVE: Niko, Moore, Wesley Johnson, Solomon Hill
2019 unprotected 1st, 2021 unprotected 1st round pick. Throw in Frank Jackson if we have to.

You have:
PG Wall
SG Holiday
SF Porter Jr
PF Davis
C Randle

Bench: Elfrid, Miller, Diallo, Jackson possibly.

Questions: Could we resign Randle and AD and still have a deep roster for 2020? Would the Wizards do this trade? Is Wall’s contract too much for the PELS to swallow? Are the PELS much better if they did this trade?

I think the Wizards would consider this offer. It gives them a lot of flexibility with potential to resign Niko and have two extra 1st round picks plus Moore is great value and has another year on his contract. They would have assets for the future and potentially a great chance to rebuild. They trade Wall, a player who has had a lot of conflict and a player who would be hard to trade because of his contract and many teams have PGs that are working well for them.

AD would be thrilled if we got Wall and Porter. We would have a huge upgrade at PG and SF. Porter is a very good 3 point shooter and defender. Wall would do just fine playing with Jrue and AD. He can do it all and we would be so much tougher to beat. Niko and Moore are luxuries. We already have Randle and AD and we would get a big SF who can shoot and play defense which is a bigger need. Moore is a blue collar SG who would be a backup to Jrue. We need better STARTERS. Frazier and Elfrid are not good enough. So, getting a multiple all star vet pg in Wall would change everything. I know y’all will be critical of this opinion but it makes sense to me. We have subpar players at PG and SF. We won’t keep AD if we can’t pull off a trade that addresses this problem.





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Giving up Niko and Moore and two unprotected firsts for a deal with John Walls albatross contract as the centrepiece? Nah.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Giving up Niko and Moore and two unprotected firsts for a deal with John Walls albatross contract as the centrepiece? Nah.

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This. Washington should be GIVING US the 1st taking back Wall and Porter. Both are overpaid and Wall might be top 5 worst deals in the league.

I'm not even sure that deal works. Wall and Porter is a lot of money.

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TRADE:

PELS RECEIVE: Otto Porter SF, John Wall PG

WIZARDS RECEIVE: Niko, Moore, Wesley Johnson, Solomon Hill
2019 unprotected 1st, 2021 unprotected 1st round pick. Throw in Frank Jackson if we have to.

You have:
PG Wall
SG Holiday
SF Porter Jr
PF Davis
C Randle

Bench: Elfrid, Miller, Diallo, Jackson possibly.

Questions: Could we resign Randle and AD and still have a deep roster for 2020? Would the Wizards do this trade? Is Wall’s contract too much for the PELS to swallow? Are the PELS much better if they did this trade?

I think the Wizards would consider this offer. It gives them a lot of flexibility with potential to resign Niko and have two extra 1st round picks plus Moore is great value and has another year on his contract. They would have assets for the future and potentially a great chance to rebuild. They trade Wall, a player who has had a lot of conflict and a player who would be hard to trade because of his contract and many teams have PGs that are working well for them.

AD would be thrilled if we got Wall and Porter. We would have a huge upgrade at PG and SF. Porter is a very good 3 point shooter and defender. Wall would do just fine playing with Jrue and AD. He can do it all and we would be so much tougher to beat. Niko and Moore are luxuries. We already have Randle and AD and we would get a big SF who can shoot and play defense which is a bigger need. Moore is a blue collar SG who would be a backup to Jrue. We need better STARTERS. Frazier and Elfrid are not good enough. So, getting a multiple all star vet pg in Wall would change everything. I know y’all will be critical of this opinion but it makes sense to me. We have subpar players at PG and SF. We won’t keep AD if we can’t pull off a trade that addresses this problem.





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No way, we would have a 150+ million dollar roster once AD's supermax kicks in for just the 5 starters. That's just not feasible.

I like the home run mentality, but yeah as others have said, giving up any unprotected firsts in a deal like this is not realistic or wise.

The same trade without any 1sts involved, maybe a 2nd if needed, would be interesting. Although paying that much to AD/Wall/Porter/Jrue basically ensures not being able to re-sign Randle. Definitely interesting to think about.

What I want to know is this the John Wall the Pels will get from this season or has he always been a bad defender?

To be honest, I would say no to this trade if we were receiving the 2 firsts, much less giving them.

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Originally Posted by AUSSIE_PELICAN

What I want to know is this the John Wall the Pels will get from this season or has he always been a bad defender?

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It’s an offensive league now.

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Originally Posted by AstroFire

It’s an offensive league now.

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Still need to be capable of playing decent defense. There's a reason all of the bottom of the bin teams just so happen to be the bottom of the defensive rating stats, with very few exceptions.