Trade idea

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06-09-2018, 08:50 AM
wnelson

Trade idea

Harrison Barnes and Finney-Smith for ajinca, hill and Moore. Break even on salary but immediately gets better at the 2/3. Dallas gets out of a big deal but for the next 2 seasons we would be starting

Jrue
Barnes
AD
Boogie

Next season has Mirotic, Miller and Diallo guaranteed back and hopefully Rondo, Clark and a healthy Jackson. If we bring in DFS at 2/3 backup and okafor I say we draft best available.
06-09-2018, 08:54 AM
wnelson

Last roster spots to Omri Casspi and backup 2 guard both vet minimum
06-09-2018, 09:05 AM
HornetGuru

I'm down
06-09-2018, 09:23 AM
Mythrol

Why would Dallas do this? They are taking back long term money so it's not saving them a ton there and I'd say Barnes has more value than a salary dump. Even if they did want to just dump Barnes they'd be doing it to get more youth on the team not the corpse of Ajinca, 1 leg Hill, and Moore.
06-09-2018, 09:26 AM
pawel

So Dallas is moving from a big contract of starting caliber player (1+1 with player option -$24.1 and $25.1) for two players with guaranteed TWO years for combined of $21.5 and $21.8 AND damaged Ajinca?

Their GM should be fired immediately.
06-09-2018, 09:29 AM
pawel

Also Finney has some upside.
06-09-2018, 11:21 AM
6warddude

I'm all for a Niko for Barnes trade....don't think he will be on the team next season....Niko can be Dirk replacement for cheaper price....

Rondo
Jrue
Barnes
AD
Cousins...is the starting 5 i want to go into the playoffs with....

I'm starting to like a lineup of
Rondo
Jrue
AD
Niko
Cousins....but don't think i will see that lineup because I think Niko will be traded at the deadline and cousins won't play until after the all-star break.....
06-09-2018, 01:35 PM
tdcreator

It’s hard talking about PG, Lebron, and Kawhi then putting a trade for Barnes. Just seems so yucky after those big guys. I wanted Barnes over hill and Moore but I’m not feeling it like i did before.
06-09-2018, 02:41 PM
GuardianAngel25

If we can’t land certain guys in FA then the trade market is our next chance. 3 guys I’m really interested in is Otto Porter, Harrison Barnes, and Gordon Hayward..

Ultimately I think the Celtics keep Hayward and bring him off the bench as the 6th man since he’s working his way back from injury. Then next year they can figure out what wing they wanna move to better improve their team if they even wanna do that. Hayward is a team player and with coach Stevens I don’t see him having any issue coming off the bench especially since he will need to be monitored. Would also give them the best chance to win. A finishing lineup of Kyrie/Brown/Hayward/Tatum/Horford would be incredible! Then you still have guys like Rozier, Smart, and Morris for certain matchups. That team is going to be serious next year and have the best chance of anyone to knock off the Warriors if they can stay healthy. Crazy thing is they haven’t even tapped into their potential. I’m just happy the East is on the rise and the path to the Finals won’t be a joke anymore.

With the Wizards they will have some tough decisions to make and the odd man out could he Porter. One way would be if they were willing to max Boogie and we weren’t would be to sign a trade which would give us a young stud back in the deal. Boogie is still my #1 option to keep but we will see what happens. Porter is the perfect wing this team needs right now. He is consistently the best 3 point shooter in the NBA each season and would thrive here in Gentry’s system being left open all the time. He plays very solid defense with high IQ that can handle and pass the rock. This is a trade that really benefits both teams. I would be just as happy with Bradley Beal as the player we get but Porter is the better fit for what we need unless we could go out and sign Henzonja or Hood which would put Beal as my guy.

Unless the Mavs can land some of the big targets they are after I believe they will trade away any value they have and commit to a youth movement with Dennis Smith Jr. and their pick in this years draft. Would make no sense to keep guys like Barnes and Mathews who would only hurt that process making them win enough games to not get a good draft pick and miss the playoffs. Barnes is a Jrue Holiday on the wing that brings a little of everything and would thrive not having to be the #1 option but 3A/3B with Jrue. His offensive and defensive versatility would be huge for this team and had he been here along with Boogie for that Warriors series it would have been a much different series. The best from Barnes has yet to be seen and I would like to see that in a Pelicans uni where the players we have would compliment his game perfectly and vice versa. I really believe he is a Jrue on the wing who is only going to keep getting better.

These are just a few realistic trades out there that I believe would instantly change change this team allowing us to find 1 or 2 players to strengthen out bench. This will be a very active trade market with players available and even someone like Wiggins could be available with many others who could really take this team to another level. We are in about as good of a situation we could ask for being a starter and couple of bench players away from nobody wanting to see us in the playoffs. We are so close to putting it all together. Dell has already completed the hard parts putting us into a position to improve this team to completion. Great time to be a Pels fan. Everyone needs to just be patient and enjoy the process cause we won’t get this again for a Long time..
GO PELICANS!! FLOCK UP!!
06-11-2018, 10:34 AM
ml wave

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Originally Posted by pawel

So Dallas is moving from a big contract of starting caliber player (1+1 with player option -$24.1 and $25.1) for two players with guaranteed TWO years for combined of $21.5 and $21.8 AND damaged Ajinca?

Their GM should be fired immediately.

He'd be joining the Pants DJ on the unemployment line...
06-11-2018, 01:08 PM
Darkhorse985

Quote:

Originally Posted by pawel

So Dallas is moving from a big contract of starting caliber player (1+1 with player option -$24.1 and $25.1) for two players with guaranteed TWO years for combined of $21.5 and $21.8 AND damaged Ajinca?

Their GM should be fired immediately.

I could see a trade of Barnes for Hill, Ajinca (buyout), Diallo, and a 2019 lottery protected first round pick. Dallas gets a good prospect in Diallo and a 1st round pick.

Lineup:

PG: Rondo (MLE)/Clark (vet min)/Jackson
SG: Holiday/Moore/Liggins
SF: Barnes/Miller
PF: Davis/Mirotic
C: Cousins (max)/Okafor

That’s a nice lineup.
06-11-2018, 04:10 PM
Mythrol

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Originally Posted by Darkhorse985

I could see a trade of Barnes for Hill, Ajinca (buyout), Diallo, and a 2019 lottery protected first round pick. Dallas gets a good prospect in Diallo and a 1st round pick.

Lineup:

PG: Rondo (MLE)/Clark (vet min)/Jackson
SG: Holiday/Moore/Liggins
SF: Barnes/Miller
PF: Davis/Mirotic
C: Cousins (max)/Okafor

That’s a nice lineup.

Why could you see this? Barnes is worth more than a late 1st round pick while taking back a bad contract.
06-11-2018, 05:45 PM
Darkhorse985

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

Why could you see this? Barnes is worth more than a late 1st round pick while taking back a bad contract.

If Barnes is on the trade block, who is giving up a better deal for an above average SF who is a nice complimentary player but can’t carry the load as a primary option making 24 million a year? The Mavericks get out from his contract and get a nice prospect in Diallo and a first round pick which is not a bad deal for a rebuilding team.
06-11-2018, 06:18 PM
Mythrol

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Originally Posted by Darkhorse985

If Barnes is on the trade block, who is giving up a better deal for an above average SF who is a nice complimentary player but can’t carry the load as a primary option making 24 million a year? The Mavericks get out from his contract and get a nice prospect in Diallo and a first round pick which is not a bad deal for a rebuilding team.

People are greatly overrating our players and grossly under rating other teams players. Barnes plays the thinnest position in all of the NBA. Look at the list of guys around Barnes pay, Gallinari, Parsons, Otto Porter Jr, heck Bazemore and Deng are both making over 18m.

If the Mavericks wanted to dump him they'd get a very nice deal. Who makes better offer? Look at list of NBA teams without a starting caliber SF and you have your answer. Hill, Ajinca, Diallo, and a late 1st is a laughable option. Remember this, we made a similar offer this year to try and get Carroll and the Nets asked for more. That was for Carroll........
06-12-2018, 01:17 AM
HoustonRox

Not a bad trade idea.
06-12-2018, 12:07 PM
lsutigers33

Barnes is part of Dallas rebuild. He and Smith jr are the 2 future pieces.
06-12-2018, 10:44 PM
wnelson

Tbh I really want finney. I think he has big upside.
06-13-2018, 01:46 AM
msusousaphone

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

People are greatly overrating our players and grossly under rating other teams players. Barnes plays the thinnest position in all of the NBA. Look at the list of guys around Barnes pay, Gallinari, Parsons, Otto Porter Jr, heck Bazemore and Deng are both making over 18m.

If the Mavericks wanted to dump him they'd get a very nice deal. Who makes better offer? Look at list of NBA teams without a starting caliber SF and you have your answer. Hill, Ajinca, Diallo, and a late 1st is a laughable option. Remember this, we made a similar offer this year to try and get Carroll and the Nets asked for more. That was for Carroll........

That's a lot of opinion for a league that has more lopsided trades than even ones. Lol

But really, my first thought was that it was too much. Diallo has shown flashes. Upon further review I think it makes you much sense to happen.
06-13-2018, 08:26 AM
Mythrol

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Originally Posted by MSU-Sousaphone

That's a lot of opinion for a league that has more lopsided trades than even ones. Lol

But really, my first thought was that it was too much. Diallo has shown flashes. Upon further review I think it makes you much sense to happen.

It's opinion based on the very clear information we have that we have already had a team turn down Asik + filler + a 1st for Carroll because they wanted more from us. Asik was a way easier contract to move than Hill and Barnes is a better player than Carroll.

If we couldn't get Carroll with a better offer how is a worse offer at the thinnest position in the league suppose to land Barnes?
06-13-2018, 09:30 AM
Silver Nail

Let me start by saying, would I want Kwahi, well yeah. How about PG13, of course, maybe Lebron, absolutely, but none of those options are realistic. What might be a better plan for now, until trade deadline at least, is to see what we have and if 51 gives us any value. Perhaps we concentrate on getting Rondo back for a couple more years and max Boogie. Try to extend Nico if possible. See if OKC would take AA for Singler on an even swap. Find out if Solo has gotten better and improved his 3 ball. Go for a project wing with 51 such as Melvin Frazier, wishful thinking , he may go in 1st round but probably in the early 2nd. Therefore take a flier on, or at least a look at if undrafted, one or more of these imports.
Arnoldas Kulboka, Isaac Bonga, Rodions Kurucs or Vasilis Charalampopoulos.
Bigger moves can be made later if necessary, but to be honest, I’m not convinced that if we can keep Boogie and get everyone we have healthy we don’t already have enough to run the table.
06-13-2018, 11:01 AM
Silver Nail

Can't help myself even though I already stated what I think we should do, assuming Lebron to LA, do you think Cleveland would take Diallo, (young big) Hill, (defensive guy) AA, (expiring) Liggins and Okafor (unguaranteed) for Love? And more importantly, would we want to do that?
06-13-2018, 11:40 AM
Mythrol

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Originally Posted by Silver Nail

Can't help myself even though I already stated what I think we should do, assuming Lebron to LA, do you think Cleveland would take Diallo, (young big) Hill, (defensive guy) AA, (expiring) Liggins and Okafor (unguaranteed) for Love? And more importantly, would we want to do that?

Ignoring the unrealistic players being sent in that trade....

Love, Cousins, AD, and Niko all on the team?
06-13-2018, 11:46 AM
Silver Nail

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

Ignoring the unrealistic players being sent in that trade....

Love, Cousins, AD, and Niko all on the team?

Hell yeah, why not?
06-13-2018, 12:14 PM
Mythrol

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Originally Posted by Silver Nail

Hell yeah, why not?

So we gonna have 100m tied up in the 4 and 5 position?
06-13-2018, 12:24 PM
Silver Nail

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

So we gonna have 100m tied up in the 4 and 5 position?

Actually more than that next yr. if NICO stays and we supermax AD. But how does that matter, we are a tax team anyway. Love can play 4 and 5 plus Boogie might still be on the mend. Everyone knows it is still about match-ups. 2 and sometimes all 3 of these guys on the court at all times, plus Jrue, EM, or Frank plus Rondo would be a real tough out.
06-13-2018, 12:35 PM
Mythrol

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Originally Posted by Silver Nail

Actually more than that next yr. if NICO stays and we supermax AD. But how does that matter, we are a tax team anyway. Love can play 4 and 5 plus Boogie might still be on the mend. Everyone knows it is still about match-ups. 2 and sometimes all 3 of these guys on the court at all times, plus Jrue, EM, or Frank plus Rondo would be a real tough out.

It matters because there are 3 other positions on the floor and you can't give enough minutes to all those guys.
06-13-2018, 01:13 PM
Silver Nail

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

It matters because there are 3 other positions on the floor and you can't give enough minutes to all those guys.

I think you can, just like you can go small ball w/3 wings, DO II BIGGER with these guys, again what team can match that.
06-13-2018, 01:29 PM
Mythrol

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Originally Posted by Silver Nail

I think you can, just like you can go small ball w/3 wings, DO II BIGGER with these guys, again what team can match that.

Some people also think the earth is flat. Just because you can think it doesn't make it a good idea or a good use of resources.

Niko is already Love on less than half the contract. We have holes at PG and SF. Let's leave it at, I think it's a bad idea to spend 4/5 of our cap on the 4 and 5.
06-13-2018, 01:40 PM
Silver Nail

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mythrol

Some people also think the earth is flat. Just because you can think it doesn't make it a good idea or a good use of resources.

Niko is already Love on less than half the contract. We have holes at PG and SF. Let's leave it at, I think it's a bad idea to spend 4/5 of our cap on the 4 and 5.

Your point is valid, however Boogie probably won't be 100 pct early on and NICO won't be half the price going forward and would be better chip at deadline for a wing should we decide to go that route. Don't care what position a guy plays. Good players are good players period.
06-13-2018, 01:57 PM
Mythrol

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Originally Posted by Silver Nail

Your point is valid, however Boogie probably won't be 100 pct early on and NICO won't be half the price going forward and would be better chip at deadline for a wing should we decide to go that route. Don't care what position a guy plays. Good players are good players period.

A team full of the top 5 centers in the league still loses. You better care some what position a guy plays.
06-13-2018, 02:01 PM
new city champ

Yeah, I could definitely see us bringing DeMarcus back, but him coming off the bench the first half of the season, playing 20-25 minutes, and sitting at the end of the game in favor of Mirotic/Davis frontline.

This would give the team time to assess Cousins's recovery and whether they think he is a longterm fit on the squad. If he is, then you make look to move Niko at the deadline for a wing to pair with a Davis and Cousins frontline. If Cousins isn't a longterm fit, you look to lock up Mirotic and try to move DeMarcus's deal. That's why his contract terms are key. A 2 + 1, even at a high number, may be moveable if Cousins plays reasonably well for a stretch. Would love for that + 1 to be a team option, but that's asking a lot. Given what Niko's next deal will look like, don't think it's realistic to keep all three longterm, even if you can in the penalty to do so. Same problem you had with Ryno--Mirotic plays Davis's preferred position. All three don't work on the floor at the end of the game in crunch time. Logic dictates that you (eventually) move either Cousins or Niko for a starting wing.
06-13-2018, 05:40 PM
Silver Nail

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

A team full of the top 5 centers in the league still loses. You better care some what position a guy plays.

I want to let you have last word on this, but not just yet, if memory doesn't fail me, using Nico and sometimes AD to meet Dame outside destroyed him. I understand you don't agree, and as I said herein, not how I would necessarily proceed at this time. But if we can get better players no matter how you stroke it. YOU DO IT AND MAKE HARDER DECISIONS LATER.
06-13-2018, 07:24 PM
Mythrol

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Originally Posted by Silver Nail

I want to let you have last word on this, but not just yet, if memory doesn't fail me, using Nico and sometimes AD to meet Dame outside destroyed him. I understand you don't agree, and as I said herein, not how I would necessarily proceed at this time. But if we can get better players no matter how you stroke it. YOU DO IT AND MAKE HARDER DECISIONS LATER.

Using Niko and AD on Dame outside isn't what destroyed Dame, it was trapping him with multiple players while Jrue locked him down. Jrue was the key to destroying Dame not AD or Niko.

I guess I just don't think Love is worth it. Not if we per sue keeping Cousins. Assuming 36 minutes per game from them when healthy that only leaves 24 minutes for Love and Niko combined. Love will be on the last year of his deal next year just like Niko anyway so we'd end up having to pay him even more or watch him walk. Even if Niko ends up making 20m a year I'd rather pay him that then Love's next contract which will be over 30m.
06-16-2018, 08:17 AM
tthier2

No way in hell we need another big on this team
06-16-2018, 09:32 PM
AusPel

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Originally Posted by tthier2

No way in hell we need another big on this team

Nope. Wings, wings, wings
06-17-2018, 04:41 PM
Silver Nail

QUESTION:
Read today that Butler, and also Thibs on a previous occasion, questioned the work ethic and commitment of Andrew Wiggins. Was even suggested he may be on block despite the fact that he has been extended starting this yr at 25.2 mil. It was also implied that Minn. was in danger of cap issues due to the need to extend Towns, Butler and keep some RFAs they have. Would it be possible that Nico, Hill and a 1st be a means to get him? More importantly, should such a move even be attempted? I know his stats but can't really say I've followed his game
06-17-2018, 05:15 PM
tthier2

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Originally Posted by Silver Nail

QUESTION:
Read today that Butler, and also Thibs on a previous occasion, questioned the work ethic and commitment of Andrew Wiggins. Was even suggested he may be on block despite the fact that he has been extended starting this yr at 25.2 mil. It was also implied that Minn. was in danger of cap issues due to the need to extend Towns, Butler and keep some RFAs they have. Would it be possible that Nico, Hill and a 1st be a means to get him? More importantly, should such a move even be attempted? I know his stats but can't really say I've followed his game

I wouldn't give up that much for wiggins. He isnt a superstar by any means and they overpaid him
06-17-2018, 09:12 PM
Silverfoxx

HELL NO to Wiggins dude disappears more than Rodney Hood
06-17-2018, 09:25 PM
Silver Nail

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Originally Posted by Silverfoxx

HELL NO to Wiggins dude disappears more than Rodney Hood

WOW, that is sad, don't care, but wonder why they gave him so much
06-17-2018, 10:07 PM
wnelson

Maybe hill, ajinca and a second for Wiggins.
06-19-2018, 02:09 PM
Silver Nail

JUST A QUESTION, NOT A TRADE IDEA
,
If Memphis called today and said they would take, EM, AA, and Solo in exchange for their current #4 first round pick and Parsons. Think about that, we get 2.8 mil cap space, would you do it?
06-19-2018, 02:39 PM
Rheem654

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Originally Posted by Silver Nail

JUST A QUESTION, NOT A TRADE IDEA
,
If Memphis called today and said they would take, EM, AA, and Solo in exchange for their current #4 first round pick and Parsons. Think about that, we get 2.8 mil cap space, would you do it?

Memphis would never. One rumored deal is T. Harris, pick 13 and/or 14 for Parsons + #4. #4 pick is pretty valuable, especially if Doncic falls there.
06-19-2018, 02:51 PM
wnelson

They might if we add our next available 1st.
06-19-2018, 02:56 PM
PELICANSFAN

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Originally Posted by Silver Nail

JUST A QUESTION, NOT A TRADE IDEA
,
If Memphis called today and said they would take, EM, AA, and Solo in exchange for their current #4 first round pick and Parsons. Think about that, we get 2.8 mil cap space, would you do it?

In a heartbeat.
06-19-2018, 03:37 PM
Silver Nail

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

In a heartbeat.

Would you still do it for #10 and #26? Although none of this is going to happen, it got me wondering what if they took all Philly picks in exchange for #4 and then moved Parsons. Still might be worth it but a wee bit tougher
06-19-2018, 07:11 PM
Mythrol

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Originally Posted by Silver Nail

JUST A QUESTION, NOT A TRADE IDEA
,
If Memphis called today and said they would take, EM, AA, and Solo in exchange for their current #4 first round pick and Parsons. Think about that, we get 2.8 mil cap space, would you do it?

I don't believe Memphis would offer this deal.

The problem with us doing that deal if offered however is it cash straps us for a long time because Parsons is like a top 3 worst deal in the NBA level and while the No. 4 pick is valuable we cannot wait to develop him when we're in our prime right now. See EM on his own can be moved, AA and Hill might require an asset but they can still be moved. Parsons isn't going anywhere once we trade for him. So while the No. 4 is appealing I'd rather focus on trying to add a developed piece to this core. We can take back bad contracts for high picks if we need to blow it up, not right now.
06-19-2018, 09:26 PM
Rheem654

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

I don't believe Memphis would offer this deal.

The problem with us doing that deal if offered however is it cash straps us for a long time because Parsons is like a top 3 worst deal in the NBA level and while the No. 4 pick is valuable we cannot wait to develop him when we're in our prime right now. See EM on his own can be moved, AA and Hill might require an asset but they can still be moved. Parsons isn't going anywhere once we trade for him. So while the No. 4 is appealing I'd rather focus on trying to add a developed piece to this core. We can take back bad contracts for high picks if we need to blow it up, not right now.

What if that #4 is Luka Doncic? He’s a very developed player already with star potential. Of course it won’t happen, but a core of AD, Jrue, Doncic and possibly Cousins would be wow
06-19-2018, 09:42 PM
JunkHead

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Originally Posted by Silver Nail

JUST A QUESTION, NOT A TRADE IDEA
,
If Memphis called today and said they would take, EM, AA, and Solo in exchange for their current #4 first round pick and Parsons. Think about that, we get 2.8 mil cap space, would you do it?

Yes.
06-20-2018, 12:04 PM
Mythrol

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Originally Posted by Rheem654

What if that #4 is Luka Doncic? He’s a very developed player already with star potential. Of course it won’t happen, but a core of AD, Jrue, Doncic and possibly Cousins would be wow

Yeah, it won't happen. Teams are trying to move into the top 5 and have much better assets than us.