Jrue a top 5 guard now?

Jrue averaged 28ppg and 44 percent 3point shooting, got 4 steals and 3 blocks in the last five games.

Lillard averaged 27 and 32% 3point shooting in last five games. He had 6 steals and 1 block in past five games.

Trailblazers had tougher opponents than pelicans in the last 5 games. But we’ve beaten tough teams, Boston, Houston, including the blazers.

I’m not suggesting Jrue is better than Lillard. But could we argue that he’s not far behind the best guards in the league? He is starting to look unstoppable. He’s been very consistent. His shooting has improved. Decisiveness has improved. He’s driving to the basket and finishing. His defense is elite. His confidence is up and I can’t ignore the obvious changes we see in his game. What do y’all think? Where would you rank him right now among other guards of/sg?

1. Harden
2. Curry
3. Lillard
4. Irving
5. Paul
6. Westbrook
7. Wall
8. Klay Thompson
9. Paul George
10. Holiday
11. Oladipo
12. Beal
13. Walker
14. Gary Harris
15. Lowry

I didn’t put butler in there because I think of him as a SF but if he’s more of a guard then I would list him at 5th.








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That list looks about right.

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That list looks about right.

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Holiday looks like one of the most improved players in the league. If he keeps playing this way, we keep winning and we see some clutch performances from him I will want to rank him close to top 5. His defense is better than 90 percent of the guards on the list I made. Something is different about Jrue right now. If it continues and we keep AD on fire along with multiple shooters and good defenders we could get a high seed in the playoffs AND get past the first round. Let’s see how we do in March. I think we will win almost every game.


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DeRozan?

So the question then becomes whether or not Jrue deserves the Most Improved Player Award. I think he should absolutely be in the running - and has a better chance of winning that than AD winning MVP (although AD is my MVP).

Beal is definitely over Holiday. Definitely over a number of other guards as well.

Oladipo you could make the case but he has been their best guard on a playoff team with better numbers than Jrue.

Jrue’s been a borderline allstar talent this year and that is incredibly high praise.

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So the question then becomes whether or not Jrue deserves the Most Improved Player Award. I think he should absolutely be in the running - and has a better chance of winning that than AD winning MVP (although AD is my MVP).

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While those of us who watch him 82 games and can see beyond the box score how much he has improved, it is going to go to a player like Oladipo, Capella, Jaylen Brown, Lou Williams, Dinwiddie or someone else that has both the statistical wow and the buzz around their turnaround. Jrue is pretty much an afterthought outside of the Nola press. And objectively, most of those other players have a stronger case.

For instance Oladipo went from a 15ppg under achiever to a 24ppg player with greater efficiency and an uptick in every major statistical category and is leading a playoff team. There is just no way Jrue competes with that.

How is Klay Thompson, Paul George and John Wall better than Jrue?

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How is Klay Thompson, Paul George and John Wall better than Jrue?

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I understand why you've listed him, but I cannot take Paul George seriously as a guard.

Yeah he's a small forward

DeRozan isn't even on this list. That's crazy.

Looking at this list a second time, I can't believe I didn't notice you put Lillard above Westbrook, Kyrie, CP3, and Wall. Wow.

Wall, Lillard, Paul, Westbrook, Walker, Lowry, and Curry shouldn't be on the list. They are scorers outside of Paul but also have the ball in their hands much more. Derozan probably should be on the list. Paul George absolutely not.

Way too much noise in your list.

Hahaha so funny how much people will scrutinize a list...It is just a list guys calm down.

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It's human nature to get triggered by rankings. I don't know why but it just is

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Hahahaha I know! I just think it is funny. I am more excited that the Pels are playing so well! Our future is truly looking bright for this team. I am so excited bc this season was almost a home run or blow it all up. Did not want to blow it all up.


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Humans are pattern seeking animals. When we have a pattern we know to be incorrect, it grates on us because we recognise when something is just not right and historically (as in, way back when we were hunter gatherers) a failure to accurately recognise or compile an accurate pattern could mean immense danger or possibly death.

Also, people are wrong. On the internet. That cannot be allowed.

I think it comes down to how much you value defense where Jrue will fall.

He will never be the offensive threat that Curry or Lillard or Kyrie are. But you have to hide all 2 of those guys on defense.

The way I try and look at it is:

Curry A+ offense / D defense

Golden State has the ability to cover over his lack on the defensive end because of other players so he is allowed to shine.

Jrue B- offense / A- defense.

If you have the team that can carry the defensive load then Curry is clearly the better choice because he just takes over and goes nuclear offensively sometimes and you never have to worry about his handles at the end of the game.

But if Jrue keeps up his recent play he is for sure a top 10 guard and probably a top 3 two way guard in the league.

Jrue Holiday continues to #DoItBig during the @PelicansNBA 8 game win streak! pic.twitter.com/jk6MRZxXTG

— NBA (@NBA) March 5, 2018

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Also, y'all know about Jrue's little bro Aaron? NBAdraft.net has him going 41st in this years draft

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=jx9QDtPjltE

We can't draft Jrue's brother because we already need to draft Diallo's.

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Humans are pattern seeking animals. When we have a pattern we know to be incorrect, it grates on us because we recognise when something is just not right and historically (as in, way back when we were hunter gatherers) a failure to accurately recognise or compile an accurate pattern could mean immense danger or possibly death.

Also, people are wrong. On the internet. That cannot be allowed.

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You mean like recogniSe ?

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You mean like recogniSe ?

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I'm from England. Here, recognise uses an S, not a Z.

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Not my fault.

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How is Klay Thompson, Paul George and John Wall better than Jrue?

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Agreed.

Those guys on other teams would be beneath Jrue. I think he would be seventh if just individual skills were taken into account. Not bad since we're talk guards as a whole.

I also agree with Mythrol I'm that he would be top three if people factored in D.

Such a weird league, nowadays. Defense and other auxiliary stats get little love. Ben Wallace would just be considered a filler piece.

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Of course it's not your fault, but don't act like you're pointing out an error when it's literally just culturally variable orthography.

This is all opinion but, I think people are taking Jrue's defense into account when ranking him outside of the top 10 (such as the case with the OPs rankings). The current NBA wants scorers, Mark Jackson said as much a few days ago in a game he was calling. You need a guy who can score at will more than you need a guy who can play lock down defense. Jrue has been playing great ball this season, but the guys who are considered better than him are considered better because their offense alone is so much better than Jrue's combination of offense and defense.

pissed me off hearing espn today on that bball show say AD has no one else and they wont go far. Jrue deserves more respect than that, he's being playing great.

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Of course it's not your fault, but don't act like you're pointing out an error when it's literally just culturally variable orthography.

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Dude is being a duck for no reason

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Agreed.

Those guys on other teams would be beneath Jrue. I think he would be seventh if just individual skills were taken into account. Not bad since we're talk guards as a whole.

I also agree with Mythrol I'm that he would be top three if people factored in D.

Such a weird league, nowadays. Defense and other auxiliary stats get little love. Ben Wallace would just be considered a filler piece.

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Me personally I would take all except John wall just because he plays the same position as jrue and even then depending on the SG or SF I might be tempted to take wall