Please assure me Gentry/Demps don't get a pass due to Cousin's injury

Please assure me that Gentry/Demps don't get pass this season due to the Cousin's injury.

I mean look at the product on the court and it's embarrassing to say the least......the inconsistency is also pathetic.

I kind of think that the Cousins injury may actually give the franchise more cover in firing Gentry/Demps oddly enough.

If we continue to slide int he standings, Davis's positive view of Gentry is probably going to diminish, same goes for Cousins.

As long as whoever you bring in is incredibly proactive in keeping the lines of communication open with Davis and Cousins.

Would of been almost impossible to do IMO if Cousins doesn't go down and we make the playoffs.

More than anything I think this final run should be make or break for Gentry. This team, and the west being what it is, should give ample opportunity for a good coach to get this roster to the playoffs.

I don't love this roster, but it still has AD and Jrue. A very good role player in Moore, the best stretch big in the game, a returning defensive utility knife in Hill, and a dead eye shooting role player in Miller. A good coach can get that team to an 8 seed in this Western conference. I'm still not convinced Gentry is a good coach though.

How much is on Gentry and how much is on Demps?

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I'm gonna say 60% on Gentry, 40% on Demps.

Demps has taken a few moves recently to provide himself a little bit of cover; trading for Boogie was brilliant, the Mirotic trade was quality, getting Asik off the books is obviously brilliant, etc. So he's done some decent work recently.

Gentry on the other hand has 5% of quality in-game coaching, but 95% of his stuff is bad. Just bad. Bad lineups, bad rotations, bad minute management, bad bad bad. And he never seems to realise that he can change things up. He doesn't see where the holes are.

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My position has always been it starts with ownership, GM, than coaching.

In this situation though, despite me thinking Demps has overstayed his welcome by at least 5 seasons, there is enough here that barring another injury, a good coach could get this team to the finish line this season(playoffs). Like I just said though, I am not sure Gentry is good enough to do that.

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My position has always been it starts with ownership, GM, than coaching.

In this situation though, despite me thinking Demps has overstayed his welcome by at least 5 seasons, there is enough here that barring another injury, a good coach could get this team to the finish line this season(playoffs). Like I just said though, I am not sure Gentry is good enough to do that.

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My comment wasn't directly specific at you it was at the OP for his topic.

As far as your statement, I tend to agree with you. Demps has managed to put together a team that should be capable of making the playoffs.

Therefore I have to lay the blame largely on the coaching staff. Especially their continued starting of Rondo. Cunningham gets benched immediately after 1 good Diallo game, Rondo has been terrible all season and still starts.

Lets not forget that we had to trade a 1st round pick... Which maybe a 6th-10th pick to get a bad contract off our hands. We haven't kept a first round player since Davis. Lets put that into perspective. We should of had a balanced homegrown squad instead of this disaster artist FA roster mess. Dell hold the keys and hired Gentry.

Dell gambled and lost so many times being our GM. His only Ws was getting Boogie from a more dysfunctional organization. It's all on Dell. If Dell goes. Gentry has to go aswell. Mainly because both of their contracts expires this year.

2 starters are currently injured (Hill and Cousins) and a 3rd started the year injured.

The effort on a night to night basis is inconsistent. There is no clear identity on offense and defensively the team is poor and at a disadvantage almost nightly. The Pelicans aren't built like an NBA team for 2018, nor or they coached like one. They lack athleticism on the wing, shooting and multiple players that can create their own shot. Defenses sag in the paint because of the lack of spacing and AD hasn't learned to pass out of double teams.

The simple truth is, this roster is poorly built and a mismatch for the things the head coach (and both top assistants) want to run.


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My comment wasn't directly specific at you it was at the OP for his topic.

As far as your statement, I tend to agree with you. Demps has managed to put together a team that should be capable of making the playoffs.

Therefore I have to lay the blame largely on the coaching staff. Especially their continued starting of Rondo. Cunningham gets benched immediately after 1 good Diallo game, Rondo has been terrible all season and still starts.

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And sort of like happened last season, for whatever reason the Rondo lineup starting is not a huge problem overall, but in the third quarter it is just a nightmare.

Before Cousins I pointed out how basically the starting unit is a net 0. Not what you want, but ok, fine, the rest of the half you pick it up. But to start the third? It was like a -19 or something. Just unbelievably bad.

Last year if the Frazier starting lineup didn't click, Gentry would eventually make an adjustment, sometimes start the second half differently...Though rarely restructuring that initial starting lineup by this time last season(even though the numbers once again suggested he really should). This year Gentry just looks around baffled and talks to reporters about how he cannot figure it out, shots just need to fall, pay with more energy, but changes very little.

If wasnt pretty sure he still has a year or so on his contract, I would say he comes off like a guy with one foot out the door for retirement, that just looks like he's phoning it in.

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Dell gambled and lost so many times being our GM. His only Ws was getting Boogie from a more dysfunctional organization. It's all on Dell. If Dell goes. Gentry has to go aswell. Mainly because both of their contracts expires this year.

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:huh2: Hmm, maybe my thoughts on Gentry giving off the body language of a person with one foot into retirement isn't far off if that is true.

I thought this was Alvin's last year :idoh:

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Seems like it is. At least contractually.

Might also explain why Chris Finch made a lateral move to come here. He certainly seems to have done a better job at doing what we brought Gentry in to do and that was modernize the offense. He has the pedigree to deserve a shot, being a very successful assistant and coaching the Great Britain national team(albeit going 1-4 and residing after 2012). Though not sure he would be my choice.

demps fired monty because he wanted a coach that was going to take monty playoff team to the next level.......yes we are in the playoff race but if we miss out then both have to go....dont know who we can go after for the GM position but whoever it is then let them pick the coach........demps set the next level back by giving gentry,,monty team and expected them to be GS.....we were going in the right direction but injuries are apart of the game and demps didnt have the backups to set in to keep the ship rolling.....

im just mad that this team tease me with a playoff appearance and imo a 3rd round series and now its looking like my hopes are fading away.....i was making plans to attend jazz fest and a home playoff game on the same day this season so if the playoff dont happen then both have to go lol....

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Seems like it is. At least contractually.

Might also explain why Chris Finch made a lateral move to come here. He certainly seems to have done a better job at doing what we brought Gentry in to do and that was modernize the offense. He has the pedigree to deserve a shot, being a very successful assistant and coaching the Great Britain national team(albeit going 1-4 and residing after 2012). Though not sure he would be my choice.

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Oh yeah we have a team option for the 4th year

I️ can’t blame Demps for where we are right now. Cousins was putting everything together and playing at such a high level and the plan to make the playoffs seemed to be very realistic. We won 7 out of the last 8 before he got injured. Demps did the smartest thing by getting cousins and resigning Jrue and adding Miller and Rondo. Coaching was starting to work once we started winning games. I’m having a hard time blaming dell or Gentry. Can we get a better coach? Are you sure????? I️ think they need to fire erman. Defense is not working.


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Yes. I would be a better coach. You would be a better coach. Mythrol would be a better coach. My mother, who has literally never watched 10 seconds of NBA basketball, would give Gentry a run for his money.

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Yes. I would be a better coach. You would be a better coach. Mythrol would be a better coach. My mother, who has literally never watched 10 seconds of NBA basketball, would give Gentry a run for his money.

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I appreciate the confidence, and I agree with your general idea that we can find a better coach, but I'd like to make clear that I don't believe like so many fans that I could do it better. Gentry has had a 30 year career coaching in the NBA. You don't get that unless on a fundamental level you know the game of basketball inside and out. Better than anyone posting on this forum for sure.

I think if you take the worst coach currently coaching in the NBA that he is still on a level well above forum posters. It's easy for fans to think they can do it better but the truth is we see like 10% of what actually goes on. All of the personality dynamics, the having to juggle the demands of ownership and management, everything that goes into the cohesion and building of a team... We see none of it. We see a final product and can make some guesses but that's it.

Now as far as your general idea goes, yes I think there are a large number of very qualified coaches who could probably get better results than Gentry. I don't think he is anywhere near irreplaceable. If anything the team looks like they need that shot of energy and a change at the top to turn them around.

I still wouldn't do it until the end of the season but I'd probably 100% do it this summer baring them going on some amazing run and things start clicking.

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Seems like it is. At least contractually.

Might also explain why Chris Finch made a lateral move to come here. He certainly seems to have done a better job at doing what we brought Gentry in to do and that was modernize the offense. He has the pedigree to deserve a shot, being a very successful assistant and coaching the Great Britain national team(albeit going 1-4 and residing after 2012). Though not sure he would be my choice.

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I would let Gentry walk in the offseason and promote Finch. I would also let him bring in his own staff.

Boogie getting injured (unfortunately) is possibly a blessing in disguise because it exposes Gentry as a fraud of a head coach.

To blame everything on Gentry isn't right. This team has been riddled with injuries since he's got here and what crazy occurrence that Boogie blows his ACL on a simple play to keep the ball inbounds. Gentry will be the head coach next season and Demps will be back. As mentioned earlier, Demps did a great job of re-tooling the roster with Boogie and Mirotic. They got good, young pieces to develop in Diallo, Cooke, Jackson and James. The team needs one more offseason to add complimentary pieces on the wings who can shoot.

I wish we do away with the 3 point philosophy which isn't this team's strong point and balance it with the mid-range game.

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To blame everything on Gentry isn't right. This team has been riddled with injuries since he's got here and what crazy occurrence that Boogie blows his ACL on a simple play to keep the ball inbounds. Gentry will be the head coach next season and Demps will be back. As mentioned earlier, Demps did a great job of re-tooling the roster with Boogie and Mirotic. They got good, young pieces to develop in Diallo, Cooke, Jackson and James. The team needs one more offseason to add complimentary pieces on the wings who can shoot.

I wish we do away with the 3 point philosophy which isn't this team's strong point and balance it with the mid-range game.

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That's just it. Gentry never has and never will move away from that philosophy. Hence the only way to change is to get rid of his stubborn behind.

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To blame everything on Gentry isn't right. This team has been riddled with injuries since he's got here and what crazy occurrence that Boogie blows his ACL on a simple play to keep the ball inbounds. Gentry will be the head coach next season and Demps will be back. As mentioned earlier, Demps did a great job of re-tooling the roster with Boogie and Mirotic. They got good, young pieces to develop in Diallo, Cooke, Jackson and James. The team needs one more offseason to add complimentary pieces on the wings who can shoot.

I wish we do away with the 3 point philosophy which isn't this team's strong point and balance it with the mid-range game.

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If you think Cooke and James are 'good young pieces' then I can't take you seriously

Everybody keeps giving Demps props for unloading Asiks contract but I don’t he has to give up a first round pick to do it plus he’s the reason Asik is here so I won’t give him any credit for getting his contract off the books , Two number one picks gone for basically Mirotic . Demps needs to go ASAP he’s not qualified for a GM position . He lucked into the Cousins trade because the wanted Buddy that’s the only reason we got Cousins .


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Gentry has had a 30 year career coaching in the NBA. You don't get that unless on a fundamental level you know the game of basketball inside and out. Better than anyone posting on this forum for sure.

I think if you take the worst coach currently coaching in the NBA that he is still on a level well above forum posters.

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I have to disagree with this. There are thousands of people the world over who are in high positions (and have been for a long time) but who simply should not be there. NBA head coach requires no formal qualification; there is absolutely no way of knowing that Gentry or any other coach has an infinitesimal knowledge of the game beyond ours short of personally interacting with him.

Now, I've not personally interacted with him so there's no way I can claim to know that he's as clueless as his on-court product would imply, but all that means is that I can only judge him on the product himself. And that product is so poor that I genuinely am fully confident that any reasonable poster on this forum, like yourself, could probably do his job. At the very least, could do a better job than him in regards to the on court product; rotations, lineups, etc.

In fact, I'd argue there's an extent to which being an NBA coach professionally cripples your ability to make rational coaching decisions. Take Rondo for example: we know he's bad. We have reams and reams of statistics showing he's trash, and when we watch the games from above we get a more balanced view of the floor than the coach in-game, and we can see he's trash. Gentry keeps playing him. Why? Again, unless I specifically asked him I cannot claim to know, but I would speculate that it's due to that problem you mentioned regarding personality dynamics, and let's not forget that being human (which coaches are) renders them fallible too; for all we know, Gentry just 'knows' Rondo is a true floor general, because that's what everyone knows, and he goes with it. He's too close sometimes to see the forest for the trees.

Now, I'm not claiming that we would be immune to these things: maybe if you or I were to be named head coach next week, we'd also slowly stop using the statistics and evidence and just rely on our almighty coachly intuition, it's entirely possible. Maybe we'd also allow locker room politics to override the actual bolts of running the team. Very possible. All I'm saying is that the fact that he's a coach means nothing to me.

It's the epitome of the argument from authority: I don't care what his job is, if he's bad at it he's bad at it and doesn't matter if he's been bad at it for ten minutes or ten years.

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Lets not forget that we had to trade a 1st round pick... Which maybe a 6th-10th pick to get a bad contract off our hands. We haven't kept a first round player since Davis. Lets put that into perspective. We should of had a balanced homegrown squad instead of this disaster artist FA roster mess. Dell hold the keys and hired Gentry.

Dell gambled and lost so many times being our GM. His only Ws was getting Boogie from a more dysfunctional organization. It's all on Dell. If Dell goes. Gentry has to go aswell. Mainly because both of their contracts expires this year.

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Disaster artist FA mess? So you're calling:

Cousins
Holiday
Mirotic
Moore
Hill
Miller (a Demps draft pick)
Clark
Rondo

A distaster free agent mess? Really?

The nasty finger lies squarely with the coaching staff. Darren Erman has regressed. Actually I question his coaching ability because from what I remember, the sidelines were a complete mess when he took over for Gentry after he got tossed that one game. The team won in spite of it.

Now defensively they can stop no one. All of that cannot be because of Solomon Hill being out.

Everybody wants Hill back like he’s gonna solve all of this teams defensive problems and he hasn’t played in a year because of a LEG injury but he comes back and we’re good , news flash he wasn’t the answer before the injury he isn’t gonna be after either .


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Maybe not 'the answer' directly, but when you add more pieces to the puzzle... (someone finish this analogy for me)

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Last year, with him, we were a top 10 defensive team. This year, without him, we're 22nd: and that has improved over the last 6 weeks.

No one is saying that Solo will return and suddenly make us the 04 Pistons on defense. We're just saying having a guy who is actually the right size to guard wings to guard opposing wings is helpful in general. It's even more helpful if that guy is actually good at doing that job.

Having a guy you can put on, say, Rodney Hood last game and not be outsized, is valuable for defensive integrity.

[QUOTE=Pelicanidae;1449405]Last year, with him, we were a top 10 defensive team. This year, without him, we're 22nd: and that has improved over the last 6 weeks.

No one is saying that Solo will return and suddenly make us the 04 Pistons on defense. We're just saying having a guy who is actually the right size to guard wings to guard opposing wings is helpful in general. It's even more helpful if that guy is actually good at doing that job.

Having a guy you can put on, say, Rodney Hood last game and not be outsized, is valuable for defensive integrity.[ I get it he can’t hurt ans maybe he helps but we’re so far from being a good team he’s not going to make that much of a difference we just got beat by the Kings this team is two or three players away with no money or assets to work with I don’t know the answer is ...


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I would not be upset to see Gentry and Dell go after this year. Pull in Cousins and AD to discuss the new direction.

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I would not be upset to see Gentry and Dell go after this year. Pull in Cousins and AD to discuss the new direction.

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We need to go after Van Gundy I wanted Thibs or Van Gundy but this team wanted to go the cheap route and hire a career assistant coach that is not head coach material now we’re getting what we paid for .


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We need to go after Van Gundy I wanted Thibs or Van Gundy but this team wanted to go the cheap route and hire a career assistant coach that is not head coach material now we’re getting what we paid for .


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I liked Van Gundy too. He succeeded with two bigs before. Gentry has always been better with wings and guards / shooters. I do not think Gentry is a good fit with the players we have.

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I have to disagree with this. There are thousands of people the world over who are in high positions (and have been for a long time) but who simply should not be there. NBA head coach requires no formal qualification; there is absolutely no way of knowing that Gentry or any other coach has an infinitesimal knowledge of the game beyond ours short of personally interacting with him.

Now, I've not personally interacted with him so there's no way I can claim to know that he's as clueless as his on-court product would imply, but all that means is that I can only judge him on the product himself. And that product is so poor that I genuinely am fully confident that any reasonable poster on this forum, like yourself, could probably do his job. At the very least, could do a better job than him in regards to the on court product; rotations, lineups, etc.

In fact, I'd argue there's an extent to which being an NBA coach professionally cripples your ability to make rational coaching decisions. Take Rondo for example: we know he's bad. We have reams and reams of statistics showing he's trash, and when we watch the games from above we get a more balanced view of the floor than the coach in-game, and we can see he's trash. Gentry keeps playing him. Why? Again, unless I specifically asked him I cannot claim to know, but I would speculate that it's due to that problem you mentioned regarding personality dynamics, and let's not forget that being human (which coaches are) renders them fallible too; for all we know, Gentry just 'knows' Rondo is a true floor general, because that's what everyone knows, and he goes with it. He's too close sometimes to see the forest for the trees.

Now, I'm not claiming that we would be immune to these things: maybe if you or I were to be named head coach next week, we'd also slowly stop using the statistics and evidence and just rely on our almighty coachly intuition, it's entirely possible. Maybe we'd also allow locker room politics to override the actual bolts of running the team. Very possible. All I'm saying is that the fact that he's a coach means nothing to me.

It's the epitome of the argument from authority: I don't care what his job is, if he's bad at it he's bad at it and doesn't matter if he's been bad at it for ten minutes or ten years.

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That's just the thing, you have no inside knowledge of the actual inner workings of the team. You see a result and then assume from there that Gentry is ignoring things. Without knowing what's going on behind the scenes I think that is a very dangerous position to take. We simply don't know and so to make any judgment off of that or to infer that some random forum poster could do a better job is a gross marginalization of what it takes to be a NBA coach.

I do not believe Gentry could fake having Basketball knowledge at the absolute highest level in the world for as long as he has.

If you want to believe Gentry is a bad coach that's fine, but he is still hands down better than anyone on a forum posting about him.

And that's not a defense of his job. There are I'm sure plenty of actual coaches that could do a better job. You do not have to marginalize him down to the level of forum posters to think he should be replaced.

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If you want to believe Gentry is a bad coach that's fine, but he is still hands down better than anyone on a forum posting about him.

And that's not a defense of his job. There are I'm sure plenty of actual coaches that could do a better job. You do not have to marginalize him down to the level of forum posters to think he should be replaced.

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I'm curious as to why you think 'the level of a forum poster' is being marginalised. What is it about posting on a forum that disqualifies you from being potentially better than Gentry? And what is it about being a coach that immediately qualifies you for being a coach? Isaiah Thomas was a GM, and we all saw how disastrous that was; is he still intrinsically someone you would trust as a GM over say, someone who has never been a GM but who has demonstrated a greater degree of understanding of the correct way to build a team and move forward?

I agree with you on a lot of things, but your argument here is basically just ''Gentry has been a coach for a long time, therefore he is hands down better than anyone on a forum posting about him'', which is not just a completely baseless argument but is also one from authority. I don't think I need to give you an example of someone who has ended up in a position of power for which they are in no way qualified and from which nothing but failure has come, do I?

I'm ready to give Demps and Gentry another year personally. If Demps wants to fire Gentry I'll leave that up to him but whatever coach he hires is going to be a short term hire. Anyone giving Demps a pass though has missed the point. He hired the coach.


I dont even know what a new GM would do here. Dell has left the cupboard pretty bare. I would give Dell one more year and ifthat fails give the new GM the green light to trade everything Davis included.

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I'm curious as to why you think 'the level of a forum poster' is being marginalised. What is it about posting on a forum that disqualifies you from being potentially better than Gentry? And what is it about being a coach that immediately qualifies you for being a coach? Isaiah Thomas was a GM, and we all saw how disastrous that was; is he still intrinsically someone you would trust as a GM over say, someone who has never been a GM but who has demonstrated a greater degree of understanding of the correct way to build a team and move forward?

I agree with you on a lot of things, but your argument here is basically just ''Gentry has been a coach for a long time, therefore he is hands down better than anyone on a forum posting about him'', which is not just a completely baseless argument but is also one from authority. I don't think I need to give you an example of someone who has ended up in a position of power for which they are in no way qualified and from which nothing but failure has come, do I?

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Because one has over 30 years of experience coaching at the highest level and the other is posting on a NBA team forum.

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You're right. If you do something for a long time, even if you are demonstrably terrible at it, you're automatically good at it by definition. How could I have been so foolish?

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I️ can’t blame Demps for where we are right now. Cousins was putting everything together and playing at such a high level and the plan to make the playoffs seemed to be very realistic. We won 7 out of the last 8 before he got injured. Demps did the smartest thing by getting cousins and resigning Jrue and adding Miller and Rondo. Coaching was starting to work once we started winning games. I’m having a hard time blaming dell or Gentry. Can we get a better coach? Are you sure????? I️ think they need to fire erman. Defense is not working.


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This is pretty much where I'm at. The Houston game was well coached and it showed that this roster can compete, so I'm hesitant to cast blame on Demps and Gentry. In my mind, it's Erman that is coming in below expectations, All things considered.

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You're right. If you do something for a long time, even if you are demonstrably terrible at it, you're automatically good at it by definition. How could I have been so foolish?

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If you think Gentry was able to stay coaching for over 30 years in the NBA while being worse than a random person on a basketball forum, then I can't help you.

Bad is relative. Gentry can be a bad NBA Head coach and still be multiple times better of a coach than anyone here. We are talking about the best of the best of the best. This is not some average Joe profession and you do not have such a long sustained career like Gentry without at least knowing the job.

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If you think Gentry was able to stay coaching for over 30 years in the NBA while being worse than a random person on a basketball forum, then I can't help you.

Bad is relative. Gentry can be a bad NBA Head coach and still be multiple times better of a coach than anyone here. We are talking about the best of the best of the best. This is not some average Joe profession.

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Except as we know, there is no qualification. You don't pass an NBA coaching course. You don't get qualified. You don't have to pass a bar or submit a dissertation, you can come to it in any of dozens of ways.

So we have two possibilities: either Gentry is a good coach in the grand scheme of things, just bad for NBA level, or he's bad in the grand scheme of things including NBA level. Either way, he's bad at NBA level.

Meanwhile, any random person on this forum or any other forum could be better. And I'm willing to bet that there are some who are. Because even if Gentry is one of the top 5% of potential coaches in the world, that means that given 1000 random people there will be 50 who are in that same category or better. Basic probability and statistics shows that Gentry is almost certainly not a better coach than every single person on this site.

Now, someone has to be the best that's true, but if you're suggesting that's Gentry then you're being contrarian for the sake of it.

Your argument is based entirely on incredulity and appealing to authority. You might be happy with that but anyone who actually cares whether they're right or not isn't.

Could I be wrong? Of course. It's not physically impossible that everyone on this forum would be even worse than Gentry. It's not statistically forbidden. But it's so unlikely as to be preposterous.

If we miss the playoffs they both should be fired. Hire JVG and give him full control. I guarantee we would, at the least, be good defensively.

If Monty was fired for making the playoffs and Gentry gets an extension for missing the playoffs it would be disgusting.

In all honesty I hope we still manage to get in. It might take a few games to get on the same page with Boogie out but that is no excuse.

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Except as we know, there is no qualification. You don't pass an NBA coaching course. You don't get qualified. You don't have to pass a bar or submit a dissertation, you can come to it in any of dozens of ways.

So we have two possibilities: either Gentry is a good coach in the grand scheme of things, just bad for NBA level, or he's bad in the grand scheme of things including NBA level. Either way, he's bad at NBA level.

Meanwhile, any random person on this forum or any other forum could be better. And I'm willing to bet that there are some who are. Because even if Gentry is one of the top 5% of potential coaches in the world, that means that given 1000 random people there will be 50 who are in that same category or better. Basic probability and statistics shows that Gentry is almost certainly not a better coach than every single person on this site.

Now, someone has to be the best that's true, but if you're suggesting that's Gentry then you're being contrarian for the sake of it.

Your argument is based entirely on incredulity and appealing to authority. You might be happy with that but anyone who actually cares whether they're right or not isn't.

Could I be wrong? Of course. It's not physically impossible that everyone on this forum would be even worse than Gentry. It's not statistically forbidden. But it's so unlikely as to be preposterous.

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I'm sorry we just totally disagree on this. If you believe any NBA owner would chose a random basketball poster over Gentry then we cannot find common ground here.

I believe statistics are firmly on my side that odds are much higher that Gentry is a better coach than everyone on this forum.

My argument is not based on appeasing authority at all, it is based on the fact that people who's job it is to run NBA teams would not be dumb collectively over the course of 30+ years to hire a coach that is worse than a random internet forum poster.

Also just because there are no *standardized* qualifications does not mean that teams do not have a set of qualifications that they follow when hiring coaches. At the top of the list is probably "have more years coaching than posting on a basketball forum".

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I'm sorry we just totally disagree on this. If you believe any NBA owner would chose a random basketball poster over Gentry then we cannot find common ground here.

I believe statistics are firmly on my side that odds are much higher that Gentry is a better coach than everyone on this forum.

My argument is not based on appeasing authority at all, it is based on the fact that people who's job it is to run NBA teams would not be dumb collectively over the course of 30+ years to hire a coach that is worse than a random internet forum poster.

Also just because there are no *standardized* qualifications does not mean that teams do not have a set of qualifications that they follow when hiring coaches. At the top of the list is probably "have more years coaching than posting on a basketball forum".

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"My argument isn't an appeal to authority at all, it's just claiming that the people in a position of responsibility are likely to be right in this situation"

Okay man, whatever you say.

The statistics are not on your side at all. Even if Gentry is in the top 1% of all possible coaching candidates, then one out of every hundred people on this forum would be at least as good by probability. That's literally what a percentage is.


Edit: I do agree though, we do totally disagree on this and it's a waste of time to continue it. I won't be carrying it on cause neither of us are likely to change our minds based on this particular discussion and it's a waste of my time and yours, so I'll let you move on.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

"My argument isn't an appeal to authority at all, it's just claiming that the people in a position of responsibility are likely to be right in this situation"

Okay man, whatever you say.

The statistics are not on your side at all. Even if Gentry is in the top 1% of all possible coaching candidates, then one out of every hundred people on this forum would be at least as good by probability. That's literally what a percentage is.


Edit: I do agree though, we do totally disagree on this and it's a waste of time to continue it. I won't be carrying it on cause neither of us are likely to change our minds based on this particular discussion and it's a waste of my time and yours, so I'll let you move on.

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Except not everyone on the forum is a possible coaching candidate. People need to actually know how to coach first before being able to be considered. People need to know how to draw up plays, people need to know how to handle personalities of multimillionaire players and billion dollar owners, they have to be able to face the public and constant criticisms. Just because someone is alive does not mean they are a possible candidate. That's why the even 1% statistic is wrong. It is far, far lower than that.

Demps gets the pass.
Gentry gets the ax.

My problem with Demps was never really about Demps. He needs a boss with a seat at the executive table whose only job is the Basketball team. Or he needs to hire someone to do his current job and run the day to day. While he moves into a Loomis role. He needs a cadre.

Gentry is about as average as average gets. Any excuse you can use to can him should be used.


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Gentry making adjustments finally it appears

Anthony Davis: "We come out slow in third quarters, but we are going to adjust that tomorrow night with some different things."

— Scott Kushner (@ScottDKushner) February 6, 2018

My real name is Phil Jackson, I can do better!

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Originally Posted by jprdbulldog20

Gentry making adjustments finally it appears

Anthony Davis: "We come out slow in third quarters, but we are going to adjust that tomorrow night with some different things."

— Scott Kushner (@ScottDKushner) February 6, 2018

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Well it's about time...

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Originally Posted by jprdbulldog20

Gentry making adjustments finally it appears

Anthony Davis: "We come out slow in third quarters, but we are going to adjust that tomorrow night with some different things."

— Scott Kushner (@ScottDKushner) February 6, 2018

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I mean...the writing was on the wall!

Wow, going to make a change? I guess after 53 games, he finally decided something was not working.