Is Asik now an asset?

With the new revelation of Asik's Crohn's Disease, there is some chatter of a medical retirement. If we can come to an agreement with Asik to medically retire (ala Minny with Pekovic), then can we flip Asik's contract to a team that is over the salary cap for either a pick or a young prospect? I mean, if you can clear $10 ish million off your cap for a team that is paying the tax, that's a lot of money saved. I'd have to assume that is quite valuable.

First, Q-Pon with Staph MRSA. Now, Asik with Crohn's Disease. I'm just waiting on the next Pelican to come out and say they have Stigmata.

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Originally Posted by nolaslim213

With the new revelation of Asik's Crohn's Disease, there is some chatter of a medical retirement.

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I hadn't heard this, awesome news for the Pels cap situation

Let me say I wish the big fella well and hopeful good health.

I hope this ends well for Asik. But getting out from under that contract would be a huge boon for us.

The process for medical retirement is he must not play for 1 year from the date of his last game played, then he is evaluated by an independent (NBA + player union decided) doctor who determines if he will be able to play again without health risk. If he is determined to not be able to play again then his contract can be removed from the books.

Stop worrying about trying to game the system. *If* Asik can even get a medical retirement that in and of itself would be a HUGE help to the team cap wise.

Without digging into the actual rules involved in something like this, in the least it would appear so shady thst the NBA could deny any trade and in the most there is probably specific verbiage to stop something like this from happening. I do know that the CBA has specific rules for not trying to cheat the system in how you can manage the cap and make trades. Basically just because the CBA does not say you can't do something, doesn't mean you can. You have to operate within the limits of the CBA.

This is of course ignoring the most obvious problem with the suggestion, which is, if we are trading Asik so another team can clear cap space then they would very likely be sending back a bad contract. This is the exact opposite of what we want or need. Asik off the books is worth more than a late 1st pick and another bad contract eating up our space.

[QUOTE=Mythrol;1431382]The process for medical retirement is he must not play for 1 year from the date of his last game played, then he is evaluated by an independent (NBA + player union decided) doctor who determines if he will be able to play again without health risk. If he is determined to not be able to play again then his contract can be removed from the books.

what was the date of his last game played?

February tenth was the last game he played for us.

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Originally Posted by Topdawg26

I'm just waiting on the next Pelican to come out and say they have Stigmata.

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If they have stigmata they would most likely be a Saint!

Medical retirement is clearly the best option for all the involved parties, Asik still gets paid, The pelicans get cap and save luxury tax payments.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

February tenth was the last game he played for us.

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Funny because the trade deadline is supposed to be Feb. 8th this year I believe. A lot riding on whether he plays or not. Specifically our 1st round pick.

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Originally Posted by pelafanatic

Funny because the trade deadline is supposed to be Feb. 8th this year I believe. A lot riding on whether he plays or not. Specifically our 1st round pick.

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What situation is better for our first?

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Originally Posted by AusPel

What situation is better for our first?

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If Asik has to retire then you don't have to attach a first in order to trade him, so you could move the first for a different asset or hold onto it.

If Asik is forced to retire and we're in a decent position to make the playoffs, I think Dell either trades the pick for an expiring contract or keeps it this year. Normally I think he's inclined to trade it for a contributor, but the Pels aren't really in a position to do that with their cap situation going into the offseason. Makes a lot more sense to have that rookie deal on the books this year than it did in previous years.

A trade that could make a lot of sense however would be our top 10 protected first 1st to the Hawks for Dedmon or Bellinelli and their 2nd. Dell gets the early 2nd rounder that he loves as well as bench depth at a position of need (both guys are most likely expiring), and Atlanta gets an asset they desperately need.

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Originally Posted by pelafanatic

Funny because the trade deadline is supposed to be Feb. 8th this year I believe. A lot riding on whether he plays or not. Specifically our 1st round pick.

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I don't think the Pelicans would trade him at the deadline this year if it cost a 1st round pick.

If he doesn't get a medical retirement I'm assuming next summer would be the better time to trade him.

He can medically retire only as a Pelican.
So Dell will probably remain with him for this season. And will evaluate around deadline.
So he is not a trade asset.

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Originally Posted by pawel

He can medically retire only as a Pelican.
So Dell will probably remain with him for this season. And will evaluate around deadline.
So he is not a trade asset.

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Thanks

I think that apart from financial reasons (lower cost of stretching him for less years) - this is why Dell decided to remain with him.
In case of possible medical retirement.

Probably it is to early to think about it.

but Good luck Turkish Hammer

Hope he gets better. All of this relief the team might get I assume is for next year.

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Originally Posted by smcgull

Hope he gets better. All of this relief the team might get I assume is for next year.

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Yeah it's not gonna help this year unfortunately

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Originally Posted by AusPel

Yeah it's not gonna help this year unfortunately

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If he is ruled as medically unable to play his cap hit can be removed immediately. So depending when/if the Pelicans ask for it his cap hit for this year could be removed.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

If he is ruled as medically unable to play his cap hit can be removed immediately. So depending when/if the Pelicans ask for it his cap hit for this year could be removed.

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Can't be ruled medically unable to play until after the trade deadline though so it wouldn't really be possible to use that space on anything above replacement level players this season

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Originally Posted by pelafanatic

Can't be ruled medically unable to play until after the trade deadline though so it wouldn't really be possible to use that space on anything above replacement level players this season

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We're over the cap anyway so even if he was off the books before we'd still only have the exceptions to add a player. The point is though that him coming off the books this year is still beneficial because of how close we are to the luxury tax.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

We're over the cap anyway so even if he was off the books before we'd still only have the exceptions to add a player. The point is though that him coming off the books this year is still beneficial because of how close we are to the luxury tax.

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Would it also move us away from the hard cap? Or is there a different trigger for it?

I just read about that disease. Poor Asik :(

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Originally Posted by P_B_&_G

Would it also move us away from the hard cap? Or is there a different trigger for it?

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Yes, it would move us Asik's entire cap hit (including his unlikely incentives) further away from the hard cap.

He is 31, long term remission is possible. He's at Mayo, with the best treatment in the country. If he has a glimmer of playing the game he loves, why would he retire? He'll never get a contract like this again even if he was healthy, but he could get on with another team that needs depth or has injured C's. I just don't get his incentive for retiring if he has even the smallest possibility to play in the next few years.

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Originally Posted by SmontySwilliams

He is 31, long term remission is possible. He's at Mayo, with the best treatment in the country. If he has a glimmer of playing the game he loves, why would he retire? He'll never get a contract like this again even if he was healthy, but he could get on with another team that needs depth or has injured C's. I just don't get his incentive for retiring if he has even the smallest possibility to play in the next few years.

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pretty sure he still gets paid in the event of medical retirement.

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Originally Posted by SmontySwilliams

He is 31, long term remission is possible. He's at Mayo, with the best treatment in the country. If he has a glimmer of playing the game he loves, why would he retire? He'll never get a contract like this again even if he was healthy, but he could get on with another team that needs depth or has injured C's. I just don't get his incentive for retiring if he has even the smallest possibility to play in the next few years.

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He still receives all of his guaranteed money if he medically retires. I doubt even if he comes back if he will ever sign another contract in the NBA again. The NBA game has shifted far too much for a NBA team to even waste a roster spot on him. Especially after such a serious sickness.

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Originally Posted by SmontySwilliams

He'll never get a contract again even if he was healthy

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EFA

Asik won't play for the team again. It's better for him and us for him to just collect his checks until such time that's he able to receive whatever medical hardship is available to him. Pels have no reason to move him because insurance is already footing the bill. The chances of something enticing coming along before the deadline is slim to none. If the Pels do have an opportunity to strike, it'll most likely be using one of the trade exceptions in which case you send out Crawford to keep the money square and call it a day.


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My narrow understanding is he'll be paid remainder of his contract which is what 2 years, after which he will be 33-34? Is there some long term retirement pension NBA players get? Everyone seems to be glossing over the possibility he doesn't want to retire.

Larry Nance, Jr has Chron's, still playing.

I want the Turkish Anchor off the books as much as the next guy, but just because the league has moved on from him doesn't mean he has moved on from the league.

Asik retiring won't affect his pension, and it won't prevent him from playing again later if he wants/is able/can find anyone to sign him. In fact, the medical review doesn't even have to be something he goes along with (see Bosh who wanted to keep playing).

Asik has no way to get minutes on this team even if he is healthy. He should just work on his body for general health reasons. Unlikely anyone would take a chance on him with his condition and limited skill set. Perhaps the Turkey national team should he improve medically.

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Originally Posted by ml wave

Asik retiring won't affect his pension, and it won't prevent him from playing again later if he wants/is able/can find anyone to sign him. In fact, the medical review doesn't even have to be something he goes along with (see Bosh who wanted to keep playing).

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Good to know. Thanks!

So he's back. Does Asik playing making him an asset now?

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Originally Posted by SmontySwilliams

So he's back. Does Asik playing making him an asset now?

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A negative asset, sure.

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Originally Posted by SmontySwilliams

So he's back. Does Asik playing making him an asset now?

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An asset to us since he is the only backup center on the team that can play right now? Yes.

An asset in a trade? Not even close.

I was just wondering what everyone's thoughts were since some were so sure about this medical retirement nonsense.

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Originally Posted by SmontySwilliams

I was just wondering what everyone's thoughts were since some were so sure about this medical retirement nonsense.

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Demoralizing.

I think it was always a long-shot, but the only sliver of hope this franchise has had in some time since that Demps roster crippling move.

If he can give us 8-12 solid minutes at the level he played during our playoff run season, that is the best hope I currently have. Which to be fair would be pretty good for this team to have.

I guess my long-shot would be Asik could go get some hyperhidrosis treatments for his hand sweating. We got enough people with tendencies to fumble the basketball as it is.

Bruh hand sweat treatments? Hahaha