I will admit that I am one of the guys always trumpeting for a better coach than the one we currently have. I am not sure who is out there that would be a potential fit, so when people do push back with "well, who would you have coach the Pels?" I am often not sure who to name, because I don't keep a finger on the pulse of the NBA coaching circles. But this article was a great read for guys like me, who want a head coach, but aren't sure who the best fit would be. It lists quite a few guys, and why they would be great as Head Coaches in the NBA.
If you are like me, give it a read, and tell me who you would replace Gentry with (this is assuming that Demps is also gone).
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http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/page...rospects-watch
IF NBA HEAD COACHES appear more on edge these days, you'll have to excuse their anxiety. Forty percent of them didn't hold their current position on New Year's Day 2016, some 15 months ago. In Oklahoma City, Billy Donovan has served longer than half of the head coaches in the league, and Mike Budenholzer has the sixth-longest tenure at four seasons. So much for continuity, which the league trumpets as the mother's milk of team-building.
Paradoxically, there's a broad consensus in NBA circles that the league has never been better served by those roving the sidelines in 2017. Though few coaches receive 100 percent approval ratings, league insiders were hard-pressed to come up with a name when asked off the record if they could identify a lousy head coach. Most criticisms came with caveats for younger coaches who were growing into their roles, which is understandable because the task has never been more daunting.
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Ettore Messina, San Antonio Spurs assistant coach
Placing Messina on a list of rising stars in the coaching field feels sacrilegious. At 57, he is one of international basketball's most distinguished coaches in history, a winner of four Euroleague championships and a slew of league titles in Italy and Russia. Messina has coached in just about every basketball context imaginable, which makes him a top candidate in an era when diversity of experience is considered a prime attribute for a future head coach.
After his career in Europe, Messina came stateside to join Mike Brown's staff in Los Angeles as a consultant before returning to Moscow for a couple of seasons. While in Moscow in 2012-13, he employed Quin Snyder as an assistant; Messina is godfather to Snyder's infant son. In 2014, Messina took his lifetime of experience into the crucible that is the San Antonio Spurs.
Messina is intense, but the Spurs also have a way of smoothing off rough edges in a personality. In Europe, player development occurs primarily at the youth level, but in San Antonio, Messina has been exposed to its importance in the NBA, further filling out his education. Tactically, Messina fashioned in Europe an intelligent brand of inside-out ball that forces defenses to move. He has amassed a canon of basketball knowledge and commands respect from professionals, young and old.
Those who know Messina say he'd more likely gravitate toward a team with a veteran roster, but given the breadth of his portfolio, any team looking for a serious, dedicated leader might very well have Messina on its target list.
Interesting article on potential head coaching hires.
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03-29-2017, 12:15 PMUNO GraciasInteresting article on potential head coaching hires.
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03-29-2017, 12:21 PMChamp
Another interesting article, Silver wants a female head coach soon!
http://deadspin.com/adam-silver-want...ead-1793746214
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Silver was definitive on the subject of a women coaching an NBA team, which came up in the news three weeks ago when Mike Francesa dismissed it ever happening:
“There definitely will,” Silver said when asked about a woman becoming an NBA head coach. “And I think it is on me to sort of ensure that it happens sooner rather than later.”
He later spoke about the need to keep the pipeline stocked:
I do think there are things that the league can and should be doing to accelerate the move toward a woman being a head coach in the league. We have begun a training program here in the league office so we can bring in women who have been around the game of basketball — some of them are former players or some just have a passion for the game. They begin becoming part of the network of team personnel. So that when these assistant coaching jobs become available, they are in the pipeline and in a position to potentially get those jobs.
There are three women currently with NBA basketball ops jobs; Becky Hammon and Nancy Lieberman are assistants with San Antonio and Sacramento, respectively, and Natalie Nakase is a video coordinator with the Clippers. Hammon is the obvious frontrunner to get a head coaching job first, and she recently turned down a gig leading Florida’s women’s program. There’s nobody better to learn under than Gregg Popovich, after all.
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03-29-2017, 12:57 PMUNO Gracias
Who do you want to see replace Gentry? I am assuming that you want him gone as well right?
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03-29-2017, 01:09 PMChamp
JVG,Hammon 2 good names.
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03-29-2017, 01:47 PMstormcenter
If Gentry goes, then Demps should be right behind him. Demps has done nothing positive. The Cousins deal does not count because the jury is still out on that trade.
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03-29-2017, 02:04 PMChampCorrect. I got slammed by some posters for saying this. Fact is jury is still out. On that note if Gentry loses on Friday night...Quote:
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03-29-2017, 10:11 PMDefensiveMind
Of that list, I like Messina, Fleming, and Ham in that order. European coaches know how to use skilled big men in non-traditional ways. And anybody that's good enough to be Budenholzer's right hand man (Ham) is good enough for me. I
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03-29-2017, 10:52 PMsunillionaireI don't get all this Demps hate. Wtf else do y'all want from him? He got a top ten player for pennies on the dollar. Followed it up with getting a guard from D-League who could easily be a starter for many teams in the NBA. Turnover is what causes dysfunction and I think we're pretty good on the GM front. Yes, the Asik deal was bad but come on. Our future is set up better than at least 25 other teams in the league. Give him an offseason to finish what he started.Quote:
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03-30-2017, 01:13 AMbillfromfinance
What is the jury still out on for the boogie trade?
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03-30-2017, 02:47 AMpawel
jury (national media) still thinks that they are terrible together.... :/
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03-30-2017, 07:17 AMPELICANSFANSell me on Hammon.Quote:
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03-30-2017, 07:33 AMMythrolInteresting article on potential head coaching hires.
No possible way you can hire Hammon. That's WAY too big of a risk. You've got AD and Boogie, it has to be an established coach with some head coaching experience. I don't mind if it's a coach that did their time in Europe or college but I just can't imagine risking our team for someone who has never been a head coach.
There's a lot of hype around Hammon and she might end up being an awesome head coach but she only has 4 years of experience even being on a coaching staff and the first year was only part time. I wouldn't want Derek Fisher or any other newly retired player for this same reason. -
03-30-2017, 08:04 AMtthier2
Did someone say the jury is still out on the cousins trade? Kmsl
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03-30-2017, 08:40 AM6warddude
im not scared to say it....yall have to stop with the hammon talk as coach of this team......nba talking heads and fans expect boogie and AD to lead the pelicans to the playoffs next season and hiring hammon to be the coach is not the way to go with this team and all the expectations next season.....yes , if yall would be honest with yourself the female coach thing is the main reason.......maybe if she go coach a men college team and make a name with that team then maybe she will get a serious look at a nba team but imo i just dont see a woman being a nba head coach soon.......
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03-30-2017, 09:08 AMMythrolI don't care what her gender is. If she can coach, she can coach. My issue is you don't risk the AD and Boogie pairing, especially with Cousins only having 1 year left under contract, on an unproven coach.Quote:
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03-30-2017, 09:26 AMChampYour boy M.M. even took it a step further in saying there could be problems in getting him to sign extension.Quote:
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03-30-2017, 11:13 AMChampI've got another name. Doc Rivers. Seems like Clippers might be cleaning house soon. Doc and Erman had good chemistry in Boston. Rivers would enjoy coaching Boogie& A.D.Quote:
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03-30-2017, 11:52 AMUNO GraciasI have usually been against Doc as I don't see him as much by way as a game changing coach. He isn't innovative, and his system only works if you have the right guys in place. He has had more than enough talent to work with in LA, and anyone telling you otherwise would be a liar. I am not sure he would be a good coach here, but I am sure if he had 3 HOF players, and a budding pg to work with he could be successful somewhere else.Quote:
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03-30-2017, 11:59 AMN.O.Bronco
Messina is my choice.
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03-30-2017, 01:04 PMNMThreeMVP
Messina could work, but that isn't guaranteed.
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03-30-2017, 01:41 PMChamp7 years and counting on this rebuild. It was not just the Asik deal. Norris Cole. Do you want me to go farther back?Quote:
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03-30-2017, 01:47 PMDaBrowThis summer maybe, i dont remember him saying anything about next. Source?Quote:
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03-30-2017, 02:11 PMNMThreeMVPHow long do you think it takes to turn a franchise that has never won anything (and isn't in a big media market) into a consistent winner? What were you expecting?Quote:
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03-30-2017, 02:23 PMMythrolLOL. You're an idiot.Quote:
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03-30-2017, 03:31 PMChampIt is okay to disagree but let us leave the name calling off the forum. Anyway perhaps we are giving Demps to much credit now since he has training wheels. See Danny Ferry.Quote:
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03-30-2017, 03:43 PMIVICP3++++++1Quote:
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03-30-2017, 04:14 PMN.O.BroncoI would just like to point out that we were very close to a Jahlil Okafor future had Philly not overvalued his market.Quote:
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And if you take away the Cousins trade, the guy's track record is flat out not good. He basically whiffed on his entire first rebuild, which also only came because he was dragged back from the cliff by David Stern when he tried to trade CP3 for over the hill expensive role players and Dragic. -
03-30-2017, 04:19 PMChampVery good points.Quote:
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03-30-2017, 04:24 PMNMThreeMVPSo...Quote:
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03-30-2017, 05:17 PMsunillionaireI love it. Any bad moves we can blame on dell, and any good moves we can praise Ferry. Let the irrationality roam free.Quote:
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03-30-2017, 09:26 PMMythrolWhich writer's alt account are you again? I suspected MM for awhile but I think he's too much of a narcissist to actually use another account to trash himself. You have shilled for Fisher since day one so that would lead me to believe you're someone from TBW but I get the feeling they don't all like Fisher and his hot takes that much either, especially not enough to constantly be riding him on some forum. I would hope Fisher would be too busy with his new child to make a troll account so I don't think it's him.Quote:
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03-30-2017, 09:56 PMUNO GraciasIt seems like he is a guy asking for civility. Whats the harm in that?Quote:
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But to NVM's point, how long would it take to turn a losing team into a consistently winning team? Quite a few. Suns of Nash and Amare came out of the ashes of a crappy decade post Sir Charles. Celtics were stuck with Paul Pierce and sometimes Antoine Walker, sometimes they could make the playoffs (in the Eastern Conference) sometimes they couldn't. They made a few trades, added a new coach, and BAM! Toronto Raptors are doing pretty well after a forever of being horrible. Mavs have Dirk, surround him with talent, hire Carlisle, you know the deal. The Warriors seem to be doing okay after 17 out of 18 years of missing the playoffs.
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03-30-2017, 10:10 PMMythrolInteresting article on potential head coaching hires.You're right. Excuse me.Quote:
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Champ, please answer, are you an idiot or a troll?
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03-30-2017, 10:37 PMUNO GraciasThanks for obliging me, I like to see civility and decent behavior take their place every now and again.Quote:
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03-30-2017, 10:45 PMMythrolInteresting article on potential head coaching hires.This the best back and forth we've ever had on this forum. Your response legitimately made me chuckle.Quote:
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03-31-2017, 12:10 AMChampListen to yourself.Quote:
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03-31-2017, 01:04 AMMythrolInteresting article on potential head coaching hires.You don't deny being a troll. Good. Now I know not to take you seriously when you make an outlandish comment. Thank you for answering.Quote:
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03-31-2017, 06:11 AMRUFshreveWhen you post the things you do, you can't expext people to just let it slide and not call you a troll, from time to time. Honestly, I thought you were always trying to be the board troll. Either that or you're a teenager. Those are the only explanations I could come up with to explain your past behavior and posts.Quote:
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Is Mythrol blunt and rude sometimes? Yeah, I'd say so. But he rarely posts anything outlandishly ridiculous or completely pointless.
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03-31-2017, 06:16 AMRUFshreve
Anyways, back to the OP. I agree with Bronco. Other than the bigger name guys in college and the league, I'm not all that educated on our coaching options. But just from what I've read and heard over the last few months, Messina sounds like the best fit for AD/DC. He's going to get a head coaching gig by someone this off-season and I hope it's us.
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03-31-2017, 07:53 AMChampOh okay so you disagree with my views that makes me a troll . How about you stick to the thread topic . You Demps fans are digging yourselves a deeper hole.Quote:
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03-31-2017, 08:00 AMChampYou are digging yourself a deeper hole Mythrol. Disagree without the name calling please.Quote:
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03-31-2017, 08:16 AMda ThRONeI'll answer this part. I expect a GM with a coherent plan that maximizes the chances of success while minimizing risk by remaining as flexible as possible. Demps has made IMO a lot of unnecessary risk and then refused to move on once those moves failed to work.Quote:
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03-31-2017, 09:27 AMDaFranchise80It's not about disagreeing with your "views". It's just that you try to force them down everyone's throat in an annoying kind of way. I want to see change in the organization too, but I'm not trying to attack or troll posters that may think otherwise.Quote:
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03-31-2017, 10:45 AMUNO GraciasWe have much more in common than that. Did you know that we both breath air, and women can't keep their hands off me?Quote:
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03-31-2017, 11:20 AMMythrolInteresting article on potential head coaching hires.Wait you breath air too?Quote:
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03-31-2017, 12:32 PMDarkhorse985His refusal to move on from bad decisions is his biggest downfall. Overpaying Holiday will be a classic Demps move that will likely come back to haunt us. I would set a max of 20 million a season with Holiday to play SG, and let him leave if he wants/gets more. I'd take Eric Bledsoe (Cousin's friend) at PG over Holiday any day. Having Bledsoe at PG and Holiday at SG would be ideal.Quote:
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03-31-2017, 12:54 PMbahmamambaOkay that's all cool and everything but what happens if we can't get Bledsoe and we let jrue walk then we're left with what at point and who at sg?Quote:
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03-31-2017, 04:43 PMDarkhorse985I think we need to shop Moore, Pondexter (for contract purposes), and our 2018 top 3 protected first rounder for a PG like Bledsoe, Rubio, or Dragic. Rubio would likely be the worst fit due to his poor shooting, but they would all be better true PGs than Holiday. If we can't get any, then we have to settle for Jrue playing PG. If Jrue walks as a SG, then we go after a free agent like Korver or trade for a SG like Nick Young.Quote:
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04-01-2017, 12:52 AMjegirouard
I just really want to throw a name out there to see what people say. Has this guy ever been talked about for any job other than the one he has? Geno Auriemma.