Lets Rank Jrue Holiday

Top PGs better than Jrue (not in order)

1. Curry
2. Russ
3. Harden
4. CP3
5. Conley
6. Wall
7. Kyrie
8. Lillard
9. Bledsoe
10. Isaiah Thomas
11. Lowry
12. Kemba
13. Teague
14. Schroder
15. George Hill
16. Jrue

Still agree to throw max cash at him?

Did you just say that George Hill is better than Jrue?

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Originally Posted by RaisingTheBar

Did you just say that George Hill is better than Jrue?

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I would say so

Hahahahahahahaha George Hill

Even if not George Hill that's still about half the league's PG.

Bledsoe is better than Isaiah? Conley better than Wall? yikes

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Originally Posted by AD23nEG10

Bledsoe is better than Isaiah? Conley better than Wall? yikes

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He said not in order

One awful game and now this. The fickleness regarding Jrue on this board is truly amazing. And isn't Harden a SG?

Right?

Have people been playing on their Jump to Conclusions Mat?

How about we not over-react to one game? Jrue was total garbage last night, and we all agree. That game doesn't define him. He has been one of the top PGs in the league over the past month or two.

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Originally Posted by nolaslim213

How about we not over-react to one game? Jrue was total garbage last night, and we all agree. That game doesn't define him. He has been one of the top PGs in the league over the past month or two.

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Who would you put him over not even judging on the game he had last night?

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Still agree to throw max cash at him?

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Your list isn't really a useful tool because I'd say Teague is the only player on that list the Pels would have a shot at. So the real comparison is between Holiday, Teague or someone else that by definition is further down your list and would be a downgrade. Can you actually get Teague and if so can you find a better backcourt mix with Teague than you can with Holiday? That is the question to ask, not where Holiday ranks amongst PGs.

They are on the clock with Cousins and AD, they don't have time to develop a PG (why they traded their pick) and with Cousins FA and AD's extension on the line, do you really want to bet on Patty Mills becoming the starting PG you need? Since Holiday can play off ball I'd have no problem bringing another PG in, and I do think we need another creator, but there aren't a ton of paths where the Pels get better by losing Holiday, so you're just going to have to suck it up and pay him.

Jrue played well about 2 weeks before all start. Before that he was below average/average at best. IMO he's playing like he's nursing an injury or avoiding one before his big contract this offseason.

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Originally Posted by BP225

Your list isn't really a useful tool because I'd say Teague is the only player on that list the Pels would have a shot at. So the real comparison is between Holiday, Teague or someone else that by definition is further down your list and would be a downgrade. Can you actually get Teague and if so can you find a better backcourt mix with Teague than you can with Holiday? That is the question to ask, not where Holiday ranks amongst PGs.

They are on the clock with Cousins and AD, they don't have time to develop a PG (why they traded their pick) and with Cousins FA and AD's extension on the line, do you really want to bet on Patty Mills becoming the starting PG you need? Since Holiday can play off ball I'd have no problem bringing another PG in, and I do think we need another creator, but there aren't a ton of paths where the Pels get better by losing Holiday, so you're just going to have to suck it up and pay him.

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So you're saying we should max him because he's the only thing on the market? Keep digging that hole.

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Originally Posted by LSU1410

Who would you put him over not even judging on the game he had last night?

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I think he falls in that 5-8 range. Defensively, he is elite. Offensively, when he is aggressive, he is very good. It all depends on his mindset, which is why Jrue is always so up and down. The talent is there, but he isn't consistent with his mentality.

I put Thomas in that Lillard group and move Bledsoe down. Jrue is in that 9-13 range.

And yes, you pay him what you have to to keep him. He has his flaws but it was clear the entire team was emotional and trying to figure out how to fit Cousins in last night. Beverley has always had Jrue's number. One game does not decide whether he is a valuable player or not.

STOP with the hot takes.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

I put Thomas in that Lillard group and move Bledsoe down. Jrue is in that 9-13 range.

And yes, you pay him what you have to to keep him. He has his flaws but it was clear the entire team was emotional and trying to figure out how to fit Cousins in last night. Beverley has always had Jrue's number. One game does not decide whether he is a valuable player or not.

STOP with the hot takes.

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Bumped him down because of his propensity for TOs? To me, if he's aggressive, I'll take some TOs. What we can't have is last night, where he was turning the ball over because he was being too passive.

An aggressive Jrue Holiday is on par with Mike Conley for me - at least very close. He needs to improve in a few areas, but I'd say that's a goal he could shoot for.

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Originally Posted by nolaslim213

I think he falls in that 5-8 range. Defensively, he is elite. Offensively, when he is aggressive, he is very good. It all depends on his mindset, which is why Jrue is always so up and down. The talent is there, but he isn't consistent with his mentality.

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5-8??? You can't be serious. While I agree with you his defense is elite, when most of these guards on get it going offensively , it doesn't matter who is guarding them. As for offense, majority of the time, it's above average at best. Not super quick, not lights out shooter, doesn't get to the free throw line at a great rate. He's a good player but giving the max? I'm not sold on that one.

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Originally Posted by nolaslim213

I think he falls in that 5-8 range. Defensively, he is elite. Offensively, when he is aggressive, he is very good. It all depends on his mindset, which is why Jrue is always so up and down. The talent is there, but he isn't consistent with his mentality.

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I cannot see him being 5-8. Maybe 10-12 at best. I would like to see him stay, but I have never felt he was a max player.

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Originally Posted by nolaslim213

Bumped him down because of his propensity for TOs? To me, if he's aggressive, I'll take some TOs. What we can't have is last night, where he was turning the ball over because he was being too passive.

An aggressive Jrue Holiday is on par with Mike Conley for me - at least very close. He needs to improve in a few areas, but I'd say that's a goal he could shoot for.

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I put him there because I asked myself who would I take over him. I came up with 8 names for sure, then it starts getting a bit sketchy. I'd personally say he's 9 or 10. He has potential to be higher when he's on but he has the tendency to become passive which is why I can't rank him higher - yet.

As he gets comfortable with Cousins I feel he will be fine. The Rockets are a bad matchup especially for Jrue.

people on this board dont like to be honest...jrue has been hurt and inconsistent since he been here...this is his contract season and he started playing decent ball about a month ago i think....

im just scared that when we resign him,,he will be the same ole jrue and not improve...........imo AD and boogie need a PG who is a general like cp3,,dont know who that PG is out there now but that type of PG will take AD and boogie far......hell,,i resign jrue and try to get ish smith as the backup,,,with smith at PG and jrue at SG with AD and boogie,,,i know smith would have 10+assist just to AD and boogie........

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Originally Posted by LSU1410

5-8??? You can't be serious. While I agree with you his defense is elite, when most of these guards on get it going offensively , it doesn't matter who is guarding them. As for offense, majority of the time, it's above average at best. Not super quick, not lights out shooter, doesn't get to the free throw line at a great rate. He's a good player but giving the max? I'm not sold on that one.

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I should have been clear. I was referring to what he could/should be if he stayed aggressive. Look at what he did last month.

He averaged 17 points (52% from 3), 7.6 assists, 3.3 rebounds, 2 steals + elite defense.

Jrue needs to up his consistency and cut down on the turnovers. I don't trust him right now, but he showed us what he can be for the past month and a half. That's a start, but we need to see it for the rest of the year. He can't revert to bad Jrue.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

I put him there because I asked myself who would I take over him. I came up with 8 names for sure, then it starts getting a bit sketchy. I'd personally say he's 9 or 10. He has potential to be higher when he's on but he has the tendency to become passive which is why I can't rank him higher - yet.

As he gets comfortable with Cousins I feel he will be fine. The Rockets are a bad matchup especially for Jrue.

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I can agree with this.

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Originally Posted by kinglio21093

Hahahahahahahaha George Hill

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You are laughing but hill is available 18 on 47 from the field and 40 from 3 with pretty good Defense

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Originally Posted by kjayb51

So you're saying we should max him because he's the only thing on the market? Keep digging that hole.

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You have one season to give both Cousins and AD a reason to commit to another 5 years here. I'm saying you make the moves it takes to be the best team you can be in 2017. If maxing Holiday is a necessary component to achieve that then yes, you max Holiday. What good does saving money on Holiday do if you aren't good enough to keep your big 2?

Holiday is no way in the top 10. Even with my New Orleans Pelicans fan goggles, he's not better than those guys in the top 10 (Kyrie, Curry, Harden, Russ, Isiah Thomas, CP3, Wall, Lillard, Bledsoe and Conley). Maybe Conley and Bledsoe on one of his good nights but he's to inconsistent.

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Originally Posted by BP225

You have one season to give both Cousins and AD a reason to commit to another 5 years here. I'm saying you make the moves it takes to be the best team you can be in 2017. If maxing Holiday is a necessary component to achieve that then yes, you max Holiday. What good does saving money on Holiday do if you aren't good enough to keep your big 2?

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You don't lock someone to please other people if you don't feel that person is incompetent to fill a certain role

And you also don't take a step back when you're on a one season clock with your star players. I'm not saying you have to keep Holiday, but you do need a viable alternative that makes you just as good. The Pels don't have time to plug the PG position with an inferior stop gap and wait for the right PG to come along. They need to be a playoff team on the rise by next summer.

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Originally Posted by tyler

You don't lock someone to please other people if you don't feel that person is incompetent to fill a certain role

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How the heck is Jrue incompetent? We are literally arguing if he is either the 9th best PG in the world or the 12th best PG in the world. . .


You guys need to chill the crap out with these hot takes.

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

I cannot see him being 5-8. Maybe 10-12 at best. I would like to see him stay, but I have never felt he was a max player.

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I don't think he deserves the max because of his inconsistency and TOs, but he has the talent. I lean more toward a well-rounded PG, so these guys like Lillard, Thomas, Irving, etc.... They don't impress me, so I bump them down my list.

Would you take Bledsoe, Lillard, and Thomas over Jrue? If not, then he is top-10, with the potential to be better.

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Originally Posted by 6warddude

people on this board dont like to be honest...jrue has been hurt and inconsistent since he been here...this is his contract season and he started playing decent ball about a month ago i think....

im just scared that when we resign him,,he will be the same ole jrue and not improve...........imo AD and boogie need a PG who is a general like cp3,,dont know who that PG is out there now but that type of PG will take AD and boogie far......hell,,i resign jrue and try to get ish smith as the backup,,,with smith at PG and jrue at SG with AD and boogie,,,i know smith would have 10+assist just to AD and boogie........

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Yeah, thats where I am at. He has been injured, and we can't expect him not to injure himself when that has been who he is since he arrived here. I would love to have him back, but he isn't a top 10 pg (yet), and he certainly isn't someone I am looking to give the max to.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

How the heck is Jrue incompetent? We are literally arguing if he is either the 9th best PG in the world or the 12th best PG in the world. . .


You guys need to chill the crap out with these hot takes.

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Me personally I think jrue is too passive for me. I just don't see that IT factor for me. He is decent but do you think he is the 3rd wheel that we need. Now I've been feeling like this for some time.

Let me be clear in my argument. I wouldn't max out Jrue. I'd love him at $20, but I'd be okay with him at $25.

Definitely not the max. I don't trust him enough.

Looking at the OPs list, I would see if any of the above mentioned guys are on the trade block during the offseason, and see if we can sign and trade Jrue to one of those teams. If not, I would hold tight, and see if we could give him an offer less than $20.

I'm wondering the same question. Is Jrue really a max type player? Seems more like a good not great PG. Cousins and AD put up a bunch of points but the other member of our big 3 didn't get it done.

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Originally Posted by nolaslim213

Let me be clear in my argument. I wouldn't max out Jrue. I'd love him at $20, but I'd be okay with him at $25.

Definitely not the max. I don't trust him enough.

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Me too. I don't think he's a max player. He's still a good PG but giving him max money would hurt us in the long run in signing pieces to build a championship.

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Originally Posted by BP225

Your list isn't really a useful tool because I'd say Teague is the only player on that list the Pels would have a shot at. So the real comparison is between Holiday, Teague or someone else that by definition is further down your list and would be a downgrade. Can you actually get Teague and if so can you find a better backcourt mix with Teague than you can with Holiday? That is the question to ask, not where Holiday ranks amongst PGs.

They are on the clock with Cousins and AD, they don't have time to develop a PG (why they traded their pick) and with Cousins FA and AD's extension on the line, do you really want to bet on Patty Mills becoming the starting PG you need? Since Holiday can play off ball I'd have no problem bringing another PG in, and I do think we need another creator, but there aren't a ton of paths where the Pels get better by losing Holiday, so you're just going to have to suck it up and pay him.

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Interesting you mention Patty Mills. He would be a great fit alongside Holiday.

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Originally Posted by nolaslim213

I don't think he deserves the max because of his inconsistency and TOs, but he has the talent. I lean more toward a well-rounded PG, so these guys like Lillard, Thomas, Irving, etc.... They don't impress me, so I bump them down my list.

Would you take Bledsoe, Lillard, and Thomas over Jrue? If not, then he is top-10, with the potential to be better.

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This exactly, people discount elite defense.

How about you make a list of the top defensive PG. Then average them with what is clearly a list if offensive ability.

Jrue is probably top 5 defensively and if he's about top 12 offensively that puts him right about number 8 or so.

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Originally Posted by Thepeelsessions

One awful game and now this. The fickleness regarding Jrue on this board is truly amazing. And isn't Harden a SG?

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The reason people are fickle regarding Jrue is because Jrue is maddeningly inconsistent. When he's good, he can look like a top 10 PG, but when he's off he's worse than replacement level. Jrue is like a rookie in that way, only he's 7 years into his career. If someone can identify why Jrue is so damn inconsistent and fix that, then we could invest a max deal with confidence. But he is a very risky player, beyond the injury history, because you just never know whether you're going to get Elite Jrue or G-League Jrue.

I think believing that Jrue is clearly outside of the top 10 at his position, and believing that the Pelicans have to resign Jrue even if it means maxing him out, are two things a Pelicans fan can believe simultaneously. Not sure why this is even a debate.

PELS will overpay him. Jrue will have to get injured or play terrible for the PELS to pass on him. He will stay a pelican and will be overpayed maxed.

I'm giving last nights game a pass. If we see him play well from here on out I think he will shut us up. Jrue will probably do just fine.


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Patrick Beverley has had Jrue's number in the past, plus it was Holiday's first time in the offense with Cousins. But still, it's hard to view him as a max player at this point.

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Originally Posted by nolaslim213

How about we not over-react to one game? Jrue was total garbage last night, and we all agree. That game doesn't define him. He has been one of the top PGs in the league over the past month or two.

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Jrue has been garbage too many times this year. Has to be more consistent now.

Jrue should be at 13.

Jrue is better than Hill, Schroeder, and Bledsoe. Still I am concerned about overpaying for him.

If you are talking about stats. We can all admit he is up and down. With that said he is 15TH in Hollinger's rating of point guards. I would want to pay him 18 million a year if I could, but it will cost 25 million to keep him.
hoops hype list the following point guards in order of free agent rank. Who could we get better than Jrue?

1. Stephen Curry
Unrestricted / Point Guard / 6-3 / Last team: Golden State
2. Chris Paul
Player Option / Point Guard / 6-0 / Last team: LA Clippers
3. Kyle Lowry
Player Option / Point Guard / 6-0 / Last team: Toronto
4. Jrue Holiday
Unrestricted / Point Guard / 6-4 / Last team: New Orleans
5. George Hill
Unrestricted / Point Guard / 6-3 / Last team: Utah
6. Jeff Teague
Unrestricted / Point Guard / 6-2 / Last team: Indiana
7. Derrick Rose
Unrestricted / Point Guard / 6-3 / Last team: New York
8. Patrick Mills
Unrestricted / Point Guard / 6-0 / Last team: San Antonio
9. Shaun Livingston
Unrestricted / Point Guard / 6-7 / Last team: Golden State
10. Darren Collison
Unrestricted / Point Guard / 6-0 / Last team: Sacramento

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Originally Posted by DOMINION

If you are talking about stats. We can all admit he is up and down. With that said he is 15TH in Hollinger's rating of point guards. I would want to pay him 18 million a year if I could, but it will cost 25 million to keep him.
hoops hype list the following point guards in order of free agent rank. Who could we get better than Jrue?

1. Stephen Curry
Unrestricted / Point Guard / 6-3 / Last team: Golden State
2. Chris Paul
Player Option / Point Guard / 6-0 / Last team: LA Clippers
3. Kyle Lowry
Player Option / Point Guard / 6-0 / Last team: Toronto
4. Jrue Holiday
Unrestricted / Point Guard / 6-4 / Last team: New Orleans
5. George Hill
Unrestricted / Point Guard / 6-3 / Last team: Utah
6. Jeff Teague
Unrestricted / Point Guard / 6-2 / Last team: Indiana
7. Derrick Rose
Unrestricted / Point Guard / 6-3 / Last team: New York
8. Patrick Mills
Unrestricted / Point Guard / 6-0 / Last team: San Antonio
9. Shaun Livingston
Unrestricted / Point Guard / 6-7 / Last team: Golden State
10. Darren Collison
Unrestricted / Point Guard / 6-0 / Last team: Sacramento

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Also, given that Jrue is the only one on the list that we can go over the cap to sign, and he is a no-brainer. I just hope that we do not have to max him.

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Originally Posted by kjayb51

Top PGs better than Jrue (not in order)

1. Curry
2. Russ
3. Harden
4. CP3
5. Conley
6. Wall
7. Kyrie
8. Lillard
9. Isaiah Thomas
10. Lowry
11. Kemba
12. Jrue
13. Teague
14. Bledsoe
15. Schroder
16. George Hill

Still agree to throw max cash at him?

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FIFY

I don't think Bledsoe, Teague, Schroder or George Hill are better than Jrue. I live in Atlanta and can tell you confidently Jrue is a more well rounded player than Schroder and Teague.

So he is 12th in my opinion and only because the top 11 are all very good.

The argument of whether or not to pay him that much I can understand though. If you don't though what is the other option? who else would be a free agent that you would pay? Where would you spend the money?

Jrue is without a doubt a borderline allstar quality PG and I don't think anyone else available would be a better 3rd option to AD and Boogie.

Oh and please don't say CP3. People around here are too stuck in the past. At 31 Chris Paul is not on the same timeline as Boogie/AD.

The issue with Jrue is it's taken him 4 seasons in NOLA to figure out what he's supposed to be and seemingly just after doing so he's been asked to change his play style again. This is all IQ stuff. He's just not Chris Paul who could sense which parts of the game to get his teammates going and when he needed to assert himself. Even in his best stretch of the season his turnovers were way too high.

He's a really talented guy but the IQ problems is what has prevented him from reaching top 5 PG status. There's still a lot of unknowns about a guy who has been in the league for 8 seasons.

I would offer Jrue whatever he can get on the market plus extra year because of having his bird rights. If that is 30m try to do a sign and trade, Regardless, I would take a shot at both Patty Mills and Shawn Livingston in addition to the current look at JJ