Pelicans & Asik are talking new deal (deal is done-- 5/60)

Pelicans are in discussions to re-sign starting center Omer Asik, sources say. Robin Lopez doesn't appear to be an option at this point.

— John Reid (@JohnReid64) July 1, 2015

Logical

When were they not?

Of course we are going to have discussions but it all comes down to what the price is. I would like to keep him I just could definitely see us letting him walk after what we paid Ajinca. Can't ever hurt to have enough big men it's just so damn hard now with these contacts to even put his asking price within 5m of what it could be. Scary to think what some desperate team out there mite offer him.

Hopefully its not for too much money or too many years. I get that Asik is a valuable piece to have for when the Pelicans have to match up against strong 7 footers, but he kills the spacing on offense and he isn't an all world rim protector. Would like to see him get less minutes this year if he is with the Pelicans.

I could see this signing going either way. It all depends on how we utilize him. And injuries... Don't forget those

Better not be too much

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Originally Posted by GuardianAngel25

Of course we are going to have discussions but it all comes down to what the price is. I would like to keep him I just could definitely see us letting him walk after what we paid Ajinca. Can't ever hurt to have enough big men it's just so damn hard now with these contacts to even put his asking price within 5m of what it could be. Scary to think what some desperate team out there mite offer him.

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Here's what I have been racking my head about, what teams are actually out there that

A.) would target Asik

B.) would be willing to pay Asik big money.

C.) would look to start him, which he wants.

D.)are actually in a financial place to do so and are at a point in their franchises progression they would view it as wise?

I know the number outside of us isn't zero, but I'm curious what that number would actually be and who they are specifically? Because I am actually kinda struggling to name some teams. Lakers maybe?

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Originally Posted by N.O.Bronco

Here's what I have been racking my head about, what teams are actually out there that

A.) would target Asik

B.) would be willing to pay Asik big money.

C.) would look to start him, which he wants.

D.)are actually in a financial place to do so and are at a point in their franchises progression they would view it as wise?

I know the number outside of us isn't zero, but I'm curious what that number would actually be and who they are specifically? Because I am actually kinda struggling to name some teams.

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Clippers if they lose Jordan. Lakers could want him. Blazers if they lose Lopez?

Hopefully a relatively short deal (2 years with a 3rd as team option would be great).

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Originally Posted by All Metro

Clippers if they lose Jordan. Lakers could want him. Blazers if they lose Lopez?

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Clippers I don't really see. CP3 loves his pick and roll centers that can finish and take lobs and Asik just doesn't have the hands. I would say their fallback would be Chandler.

Lakers I just edited and could see if they strike out on Monroe.

Blazers seem like they are between rebuilding, maintaining flexibility or trying to make it work. So maybe. But also a big maybe not.


Edit: scratch Chandler, didn't realize he signed with Suns.

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Originally Posted by N.O.Bronco

Here's what I have been racking my head about, what teams are actually out there that

A.) would target Asik

B.) would be willing to pay Asik big money.

C.) would look to start him, which he wants.

D.)are actually in a financial place to do so and are at a point in their franchises progression they would view it as wise?

I know the number outside of us isn't zero, but I'm curious what that number would actually be and who they are specifically? Because I am actually kinda struggling to name some teams. Lakers maybe?

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Yea I definitely agree I have been thinking and its hard to find a team that would offer him big $. Most of the established teams don't really need a center or are looking for someone else and teams that are rebuilding seems like it would be a bad move to make. This mite actually help us getting him lower then what he would get some years.

I think we will get competition from the teams that strike out with Jordan but yeah he wouldn't be a good fit with Paul.

Well Chandler just signed 4 years and 52 million and I would have to imagine Asik's value is lower then 13 mill a year. Chandler is still a very valuable player in the market so I would wonder if we could actually get Asik closer to 10?

If we dont resign him, then we basically wasted a 1st rounder, just saying

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Originally Posted by Vinny6420

If we dont resign him, then we basically wasted a 1st rounder, just saying

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Nevermind that, we are basically screwed if we don't resign him. Would be forced to make a trade for a starting center.

A lot of people are underestimating our need for Asik.

Rolo in LA. If he signs with the Lakers that scratches off one of the few destinations I could realistically see Asik landing.

I am fine with 4yr 10-12m range and I think that will be the deal.

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Originally Posted by BlueJay

I am fine with 4yr 10-12m range and I think that will be the deal.

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Based on Chandler's contract that is about what I am thinking. If we can get it to 10 that would be great.

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Originally Posted by BlueJay

I am fine with 4yr 10-12m range and I think that will be the deal.

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My hope is for 3 year, 30mil deal with the 3rd year being a team option.

I still would be shocked if LMA ends up in Phoenix.

This

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Originally Posted by RaisingTheBar

My hope is for 3 year, 30mil deal with the 3rd year being a team option.

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I'm with you on that.

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

I'm with you on that.

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I think it's a fair deal that gives us flexibility going forward.

Given some of the deals we have been seeing, I am thinking 3 years, $36 million is the floor of what he'll get.

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Originally Posted by RaisingTheBar

My hope is for 3 year, 30mil deal with the 3rd year being a team option.

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I wish you're right but don't think this will happen.

If we re-sign Asik, ok it's a decent center but I prefer Lopez or obviously Jordan or Chandler.

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Originally Posted by IVICP3

If we re-sign Asik, ok it's a decent center but I prefer Lopez or obviously Jordan or Chandler.

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Yeah, if we could have somehow made it work in a S&T, I would have much preferred Chandler to Asik. Unfortunately, I think we are forced to re-sign him given our situation. I just hope he can be a solid contributor on a Gentry team.

I wish we could have signed Gasol.

I'm predicting 4 years 45 million

Danny Green Money

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

I wish we could have signed Gasol.

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With our cap space, I am assuming your not talking about Marc or Pau, but their other brother Tito.

Am I the only one seeing the Bucks as a likely destination for Asik? Some might underestimate his value, but he's a valueable piece, a god defender, willing to bang down low without complaining. He's that guy that the fans don't value, but the players and coaching do. Gotta resign him. Worst case, we dump him next season to open up CAP... If the Spurs dumped Spiltter, so can we dump Asik if needed.

not god, good defender*

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Originally Posted by Rafa Brazil

Am I the only one seeing the Bucks as a likely destination for Asik? Some might underestimate his value, but he's a valueable piece, a god defender, willing to bang down low without complaining. He's that guy that the fans don't value, but the players and coaching do. Gotta resign him. Worst case, we dump him next season to open up CAP... If the Spurs dumped Spiltter, so can we dump Asik if needed.

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Bucks don't have much shooting. Having MCW, Giannis, and Asik on the floor at the same time would cause a lot of traffic in the paint. They'd be really solid defensively but that offense would struggle big time.

Why were they so high on Jordan, Chandler, etc? They want an inside defender.

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Originally Posted by Rafa Brazil

Why were they so high on Jordan, Chandler, etc? They want an inside defender.

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At least those guys are lob threats so you have to stay on their body.

So Asik is handicapped? I think he will fit very well in Gentry's system, and be worth every penny we pay him

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Originally Posted by Rafa Brazil

So Asik is handicapped? I think he will fit very well in Gentry's system, and be worth every penny we pay him

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He definitely only fits with certain teams (I just don't think the Bucks are one of them). Could effect his contract negotiations. I hope to see him back as well.

Negotiations between Pelicans, Omer Asik heating up, sources say http://t.co/0784pmOjYi via @nolanews

— John Reid (@JohnReid64) July 1, 2015

I'd imagine we'll have Asik signed sometime soon... like tonight or tomorrow

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Originally Posted by Rafa Brazil

So Asik is handicapped? I think he will fit very well in Gentry's system, and be worth every penny we pay him

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I hope he fits in the system, but I am not overly optimistic given his physical limitations in an uptempo system.

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

I hope he fits in the system, but I am not overly optimistic given his physical limitations in an uptempo system.

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As MM points out regularly, his best season was in an up tempo system in Houston. That Asik, in that system, is the Asik we were all hoping we were gonna get when we spent a first rounder on him.

That's why I'm not too concerned about giving him 10mil. If he returns to Houston form he will be very movable if we go another direction eventually.

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Originally Posted by N.O.Bronco

As MM points out regularly, his best season was in an up tempo system in Houston. That Asik, in that system, is the Asik we were all hoping we were gonna get when we spent a first rounder on him.

That's why I'm not too concerned about giving him 10mil. If he returns to Houston form he will be very movable if we go another direction eventually.

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I don't mind 10mil for 4 yrs but fear it might be closer to 14mil per

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Originally Posted by N.O.Bronco

As MM points out regularly, his best season was in an up tempo system in Houston. That Asik, in that system, is the Asik we were all hoping we were gonna get when we spent a first rounder on him.

That's why I'm not too concerned about giving him 10mil. If he returns to Houston form he will be very movable if we go another direction eventually.

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Yeah, but I just hope he is the same player he was in Houston. I know he had some injuries he dealt with last year and I think had an issue with back spasms. However, watching most of the games, he appeared very slow and out of shape. He ran the floor like a 65 year old. Hopefully it was just an anomaly and he is able to play in the system and contribute.

What's everyone's pain threshold? How much is too much? For me, anything over 3yr/$36m is a bad deal.

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Originally Posted by NMThreeMVP

What's everyone's pain threshold? How much is too much? For me, anything over 3yr/$36m is a bad deal.

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Agree. If 4 yrs, no more than 40

3 years 34 mil is my prediction. Calling it now.

Hopefully no more than 3 years/$30 million. It is odd though that with all the teams looking for bigs, his name has not been tied to one other team. Either he is very content to stay here (and has indications of a number he can live with) or there is not much interest in him around the NBA.

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Originally Posted by NMThreeMVP

What's everyone's pain threshold? How much is too much? For me, anything over 3yr/$36m is a bad deal.

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That's livable, midway between what I hope (10mil), and fear (14mil)

3 years/$31.5 million. I'd be cool with that, especially if is declining.