NBA Coaches Rankings

They seem spot on.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/12...gs-top-coaches

Monty isn't the worst, but there are a lot better doing what he does.

Melvin Hunt should certainly be higher than Monty Williams.

I think Monty is a great guy and a very good ast coach . I just don't think he a HC that can even make it to the finals unless the talent and BBIQ of his team is overwhelmingly good. Yeah I know we've had awful luck as far as injuries go , but look at the way whoever is on the court plays , they lose focus , play stupid at times and extremely inconsistent . that's on the HC WE have the one player that EVERY GM in the league would pick to start a championship team in AD. It's a travesty and a shame that we don't have a HC that is even half as good as his star player. Even if that ranking is just a lil off ,Monty is still gonna be in the bottom 3rd of the league . Doesn't AD deserve better ?

How much longer are we going to be ok with a coach that falls in the bottom quarter of the league. Why is this ok?

Can't really argue with those rankings too much.

I would argue a bit with their front office rankings though. I think they had some teams higher then us that I am not sure deserve it. Like the Suns? How do they get that ranking when they have managed to screw up their roster so badly this year?

Spoelstra at 6 is pretty bad

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Originally Posted by donato

How much longer are we going to be ok with a coach that falls in the bottom quarter of the league. Why is this ok?

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In the bottom quarter of the league according to what or who?

Curious to me how ESPN sources rank the Pelicans team, GM and coach anywhere from 22-24. In regards to coaching to rank Rivers, Stevens, Vogel, Jeerer, Kidd, Karl, Van Gundy, Snyder. Brooks, Clifford, Brown and Hollins above Monty is ludicrous. I would rank him between 12 and 16.

Hollins built the Grizzlies into what they are. Bad year in Brooklyn but Monty has a ways to go to be considered better than him

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Originally Posted by luckyman

In the bottom quarter of the league according to what or who?

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Some anonymous espn team with no criteria or accountability. Suspect rankings based on readership

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Originally Posted by speedyG

Hollins built the Grizzlies into what they are. Bad year in Brooklyn but Monty has a ways to go to be considered better than him

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I respect your opinion but disagree. Not impressed with Grizzles then or now

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Originally Posted by DRDJ1

Curious to me how ESPN sources rank the Pelicans team, GM and coach anywhere from 22-24. In regards to coaching to rank Rivers, Stevens, Vogel, Jeerer, Kidd, Karl, Van Gundy, Snyder. Brooks, Clifford, Brown and Hollins above Monty is ludicrous. I would rank him between 12 and 16.

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Based on what? His career winning percentage? His career accolades?

He certainly belongs where he is at, if not lower. Nothing....ludicrous..... to see here.

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Originally Posted by luckyman

In the bottom quarter of the league according to what or who?

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Omg enough is enough! Jesus Christ. Once Monty is fired in the off season I'll wait and see how many people will agree he deserved to get axed. All this witty crap is old. Dude time is up. Let's stop beating around the bush. Its a miracle he lasted this long in the NBA as a HC

By the way Lucky man I'm aware ur anti Monty , I'm just ranting about others who play the witty card of not a acknowledging reality. If we were another team fans and we look at the Pels we would agree its crazy how long Month has lasted. I wish the best on his future endeavors but man its not working here.

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Originally Posted by Silverfoxx

By the way Lucky man I'm aware ur anti Monty , I'm just ranting about others who play the witty card of not a acknowledging reality. If we were another team fans and we look at the Pels we would agree its crazy how long Month has lasted. I wish the best on his future endeavors but man its not working here.

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So because people feel differently to you about our head coach, it's because they are trying to be witty? Right. To validate this, let's see what other teams fans think? The ones who have never watched a Pelicans game up until this year? HURR DURR MOAR PEOPLE THINK MONTY IS ****, ESPN AGREES, MAJORITY RULES STOP THINKING FOR YOURSELF AND JOIN US! ONE OF US! ONE OF US!

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Originally Posted by billfromfinance

So because people feel differently to you about our head coach, it's because they are trying to be witty? Right. To validate this, let's see what other teams fans think? The ones who have never watched a Pelicans game up until this year? HURR DURR MOAR PEOPLE THINK MONTY IS ****, ESPN AGREES, MAJORITY RULES STOP THINKING FOR YOURSELF AND JOIN US! ONE OF US! ONE OF US!

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Don't ever stop posting. Thanks for using logic.

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Originally Posted by Jabberwalker

Don't ever stop posting. Thanks for using logic.

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Logic would tell you that having the same head coach for 5 seasons with a winning percentage of about .420 is not going to get it done.

But hey, lets hold our breath and watch that magical improvement in YEAR 6

Whats the definition of insanity again? Some of you are living it....

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Originally Posted by billfromfinance

So because people feel differently to you about our head coach, it's because they are trying to be witty? Right. To validate this, let's see what other teams fans think? The ones who have never watched a Pelicans game up until this year? HURR DURR MOAR PEOPLE THINK MONTY IS ****, ESPN AGREES, MAJORITY RULES STOP THINKING FOR YOURSELF AND JOIN US! ONE OF US! ONE OF US!

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The irony of this post is that you, in fact, are FOLLOWING the bell call of contrarians or anti-conformists on this topic. Your last sentence is a double edge sword im afraid.

I find it hard to believe that anyone can actually look at the product on the court, and come to the conclusion that it is good enough. Unless of course you are letting forum group think get between your ears......

aka -- lemmings.

One more year

One more year

One more year


Let us give Monty one more year. He almost got this

http://oi58.tinypic.com/10o363c.jpg
::sigh:: Just waiting for my phone to ring.

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Originally Posted by Silverfoxx

By the way Lucky man I'm aware ur anti Monty , I'm just ranting about others who play the witty card of not a acknowledging reality. If we were another team fans and we look at the Pels we would agree its crazy how long Month has lasted. I wish the best on his future endeavors but man its not working here.

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I've got my gripes about him but I am not anti Monty. I still think he would make a better assistant because the plays he and his staff designs have shown flashes of brilliance, but I don't know if he has what it takes to instill discipline and I question his motivational skills. However, I personally would not rank him that low. WE should know better the rebuilding/injury circumstances the majority of his years here have been under.

All I am saying is don't take these "rankings" as solid. It would be no better than taking rankings from a panel of people who post on this board.

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Originally Posted by luckyman

I've got my gripes about him but I am not anti Monty. I still think he would make a better assistant because the plays he and his staff designs have shown flashes of brilliance, but I don't know if he has what it takes to instill discipline and I question his motivational skills. However, I personally would not rank him that low. WE should know better the rebuilding/injury circumstances the majority of his years here have been under.

All I am saying is don't take these "rankings" as solid. It would be no better than taking rankings from a panel of people who post on this board.

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This.

Also, here is their defense of the "process" of their "predictions".

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/...forecast-works

sounds like a load of hooey to me.

Once again , Monty is a great guy and a very fine ast coach. He does not seem to manage his players well in game. He is not good at getting them ( mostly Evans ) to carry out what he wants. While a lot of the times the spots hangover show annoys me , all the stupid stuff they say , sometimes they make a good point . Dino made a point of in the 3rd of the Houston game we were starting to make a bit of a run and Evans was doing his dribble dribble , dance dance thing and having no court awareness , He got bailed out because of a foul , but right after that AD went over to him and was saying " What are you doing ?? " " Why didn't you run the play?" AD did not touch the ball until there was 6:30 left in the 3rd quarter . that is INEXCUSABLE . Dino went on to say that if Pop or any other good coach was on the bench , the first time a player or players did not run the play that was called , they would have been pulled off the court and chewed out . Monty seems to have little control over his players. After the game AD , hurt shoulder and all was out on the court shooting FT's How can we do a disservice to this young dedicated allstar by giving him a coach that can't seem to control the rest of his players . Somebody please justify to me that we keep a coach that will never take us to the finals unless he has a team full of healthy allstars that have a high BBIQ and can coach themselves

IMO, if Monty has a full roster, he pulls Tyreke more and chews him out. I mean, he did that a ton last year. There are plenty of games where Reke played under 25 mins before Jrue got hurt last year.

But you can't threaten a guy and teach him a lesson when you only have Jimmer or Norris Cole to put in ahead of him.

And there is also the other factor - this assumption that Tyreke can change. I personally don't think he can. Not long term. I think Monty has accepted that and lives with the bad, because his good minus his bad is still way better than you are gonna get overall from Jimmer and the like.

And if Tyreke can't change (my hypothesis), then isn't that more on Dell than Monty?

MM , I so respect your opinion bud, but a coach in any sport cannot live in fear of pulling a player out that goes against what he's doing. No matter how poor the player is behind him. A precedent must be set that I don't care who you are you don't run the plays or get onboard with the game plan you're on the bench. Maybe if you are in the finals you hesitate to pull him. You do this to let EVERYONE know , I'm in charge. EVERY great coach is that way . Do you think that if repeatedly Brees or Brady ran a different play or threw INTs because they forced what they wanted to do that Payton Or Belichick or any other great coach would not sit them down ? As far as it on Dell if Evan can't change, Is there a coach worth his salt that doesn't think he can't take a player with talent and maybe a flaw or two and coach them up ? I know it's just a movie but in Hoosiers is down to 5 players and one of them just disregards what he wants done Hackmen benches him and plays with 4. A good coach HAS to have control of his team , no matter what

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Originally Posted by djrnno

MM , I so respect your opinion bud, but a coach in any sport cannot live in fear of pulling a player out that goes against what he's doing. No matter how poor the player is behind him. A precedent must be set that I don't care who you are you don't run the plays or get onboard with the game plan you're on the bench. Maybe if you are in the finals you hesitate to pull him. You do this to let EVERYONE know , I'm in charge. EVERY great coach is that way . Do you think that if repeatedly Brees or Brady ran a different play or threw INTs because they forced what they wanted to do that Payton Or Belichick or any other great coach would not sit them down ? As far as it on Dell if Evan can't change, Is there a coach worth his salt that doesn't think he can't take a player with talent and maybe a flaw or two and coach them up ? I know it's just a movie but in Hoosiers is down to 5 players and one of them just disregards what he wants done Hackmen benches him and plays with 4. A good coach HAS to have control of his team , no matter what

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I don't think he has fear as much as it is a cost benefit analysis.

What do I gain from punishing Tyreke? His answer may be: He thinks before the next time he does something stupid. But just the next time

What do I lose? Answer: A huge downgrade in overall talent.

Like I said, if Monty thought he could change Tyreke, I think he would sacrifice a few games for the long run. But I think it is kind of naive to think you are ever changing that guy. But again, that is my personal opinion. Hopefully he proves me wrong. But I doubt it. I think he is who he is, and that guy can be a major piece on a really good team as a pace changer off the bench.

I get that my friend , And there may be no rewiring of Evans , I do agree he has talent and could be a player of value coming off the bench . But sitting him when he does really dumb selfish things no matter what send a msg to the WHOLE team . That if you're not on the bus , you're on the bench. When other players see what Evans does and Monty does not do anything drastic , why should they worry about retribution ? Let me ask you this , What do you think Popovitch or Pat Riley would have done with Tyreke ? And my other question to you , and remember i value your opinion very much , Do you think Monty is a coach that can get us to the 7th game of the finals without a team loaded with allstars ? And if not why should we settle for him another yr when we have THE best young player to come along in 5 or 10 yrs

1st - I don't think it is fair to keep bringing up Pop and Riley and guys like that. No, Monty is not that, and we can not get anybody on that level. That's like criticizing Tyreke for not doing what Lebron can do.

2nd - No, I do not think it is likely that Monty can lead a team to a title.

3rd - I personally would not settle for him. I would go get someone else this summer. But if Monty is back, I will not whine and complain for the sake of it and only point out the bad. I will be balanced in my judgement of him, which I think is more good than bad. He is just not top notch and he likely never will be.

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Originally Posted by Bongzilla

The irony of this post is that you, in fact, are FOLLOWING the bell call of contrarians or anti-conformists on this topic. Your last sentence is a double edge sword im afraid.

I find it hard to believe that anyone can actually look at the product on the court, and come to the conclusion that it is good enough. Unless of course you are letting forum group think get between your ears......

aka -- lemmings.

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Well you missed the point. Whether you are for or against Monty, or you think he does some things well and some things ****, you are entitled to your opinion and shouldn't be told to "face reality" because the majority thinks a certain way. If you can't convince people and then resort to attacking them, perhaps your argument is flawed.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

I don't think he has fear as much as it is a cost benefit analysis.

What do I gain from punishing Tyreke? His answer may be: He thinks before the next time he does something stupid. But just the next time

What do I lose? Answer: A huge downgrade in overall talent.

Like I said, if Monty thought he could change Tyreke, I think he would sacrifice a few games for the long run. But I think it is kind of naive to think you are ever changing that guy. But again, that is my personal opinion. Hopefully he proves me wrong. But I doubt it. I think he is who he is, and that guy can be a major piece on a really good team as a pace changer off the bench.

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If you look at it from a pure talent in versus talent out standpoint, then you are right, there is a downgrade in talent.

However, by taking a stand you do two things:

1) You remind everyone that you are the boss. It is your way or the highway. You coach them up(change) or you coach them out. Human beings won't admit this, but we crave structure. This will gain Monty respect. Having a clear cut leader, who is pushing 1 agenda, in 1 direction, will unite the team towards the common goal. Those who do not fit or will not comply get moved. Every entity from the military to a fortune 500 run this way, and there is a reason for it. It works. Pro sports are no different conceptually, yes you can't just fire players, but you can get their attention other ways. AND -- you don't have to treat them PC at all. (This must be fun.)

2) Check the ego's at the door. Pro sports are different from the business world in that you are dealing with REAL ALPHA MALES, like every player. Varying degrees I will give you, but to make it too that level you simply must be an Alpha Male. Much like gorillas in the mist, there can only be one gorilla leader. And this has to be the coach. If the coach is not the unquestioned leader, the wheels fall off. If the player's do not fully "buy in" then you may see hero ball in the 4th. You may see players take it upon themselves. Why? Either consciously or subconsciously they must not fully trust the coach's system or playcalling. Taking a stand eliminates this action, because guess what -- nobody likes repercussions. Imagine how quickly someone would be yanked and then chastised if they disregarded Pops playcall? Look what Carlisle did to Rondo? <-- perfect example of my point. Rondo thought he was above the playcalling.

Would have loved to see Monty handle the situation in a similar fashion.

Spoelstra is very overrated . He isn't a bad coach but he got that job because of his relationship with pat riley . They lost 2 rings because of him . And they didn't get the 2 other rings because of him .

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

1st - I don't think it is fair to keep bringing up Pop and Riley and guys like that. No, Monty is not that, and we can not get anybody on that level. That's like criticizing Tyreke for not doing what Lebron can do.

2nd - No, I do not think it is likely that Monty can lead a team to a title.

3rd - I personally would not settle for him. I would go get someone else this summer. But if Monty is back, I will not whine and complain for the sake of it and only point out the bad. I will be balanced in my judgement of him, which I think is more good than bad. He is just not top notch and he likely never will be.

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OK , lets take Pop and Riley out of it . I'm sure you could name 5-8 coaches that either we could get or are available that would do a better job than Monty . I'm not talking X's and O's , I won't pretend to be that knowledgeable on the insides of the game. But I do know some of what it takes to be a good manager of players . I don't believe you have to be a yelling screaming coach to be effective , it does work for some but there are some successful ones that are not very outspoken. But either way you do it a good HC in any sport must demand and get discipline, and have all of his players on the same page. Monty doesn't seem to be that type of HC . Monty like Tyreke is probably not gonna change , with Tyreke you can have him come off the bench play 20 mins or so and maximize his talent , and if he goes hero/dumb mode pull him out . Monty is just gonna be Monty and there's only one thing you can do. None of us have a say in who the coach is . If he is is back, complaining will do nothing , neither will defending him . This team has talent , the best young player in the league and with a couple moves and a good , may not even need a great HC can push for a championship. I'm like the Andy Dufresne , " Get busy living , or get busy dying "

If there were 5-8 guys available who were guaranteed to be better than Monty, he would have been fired by now.

Head coaches are a crap shoot. Name any guy you think we can get and I can throw out a handful of cons backed up by facts as a case why it won't work.

There are no guarantees out there.

Guarantee ?? there are no guarantees in life bud. Especially not in sports. Nor am I asking for one. I am of the opinion that it's highly unlikely that Monty will progress enough to really gain the control of this team that I feel is needed to make it to the finals, not even taking into consideration the X's and O's of basketball. You have already said that you don't think it's likely that Monty can lead us to a championship. You can find flaws in almost every coach in every sport , so no matter what name I say you and I and lot's of people can find a flaw or a reason to doubt if they can lead us to a championship. It's about having the most potential to lead us there. You must believe that there are a few coaches that we can get that have more potential to take this team to the finals , because if you didn't you would not have said you would replace Monty . Who do you think that we could get has more potential to get us to the finals ? I don't have indepth knowledge of the coaches we could get. I do know what I see in Monty being able to control his players and I don't see much potential in that

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Originally Posted by moon54

Spoelstra is very overrated . He isn't a bad coach but he got that job because of his relationship with pat riley . They lost 2 rings because of him . And they didn't get the 2 other rings because of him .

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I agree. He taught Lebron James a lesson in the process, that lesson is, never let your coach get in the way of you winning. I think Lebron was burned by those two title losses, and he realized that it was him, Wade, and Bosh moving the meter than Spoelstra. Now, Lebron will go over Blatt (on the court), if he thinks it's in the teams best interest. The coach is probably wanting him to pass to the open Love, but James will hit someone else because he doesn't trust Love.