http://www.nola.com/pelicans/index.s...illiams_5.html
Any Idea on what he's talking about. It doesn't seem like something small like forgetting to call a timeout or bad rotations.
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http://www.nola.com/pelicans/index.s...illiams_5.html
Any Idea on what he's talking about. It doesn't seem like something small like forgetting to call a timeout or bad rotations.
First step is admitting it...
He forget Luke Babbitt was on the team while Salmons was here.
I just hope he continues to pick his own brain and look at his inner self for answers to whatever he sees as a problem. Not just throw up his hands and look for "signs" from above.
I still think he is excellent at Xs and Os, but I question his ability to make players execute the way they need to. Make them respect the consequences if they don't. That is the difference between a good head coach and a good assistant.
I think he's pretty much admitting if they don't make the playoffs he is gone.
I tell you what though the bible bashing gets on my nerves.
probably set minutes for guys & not sticking with the hot hand. you know whos coming in & out outside of foul trouble before the game starts.
I forgive Monty. Let us sign Monty to extension through 2020 and ditch Dell since he got rid of all our talent. Mainly Thornton, Aminu,Vasquez. However I do like Norris Cole and Luke Babbit pick ups.
What bible bashing? Not one comment for the article attacked his faith.
Dear God,
Please get Jrue, A.D. and Ryno healthy quick so Monty does not lose his job
Signed,
Pels Fans
BSH, if you consider that bashing,then you are overly sensitive. Personally, i agree with Luckyman. The answers lie within Monty's head;There ain't no God controlling the game. However, I'm fine with Monty being a man of faith, as long as he doesn't alienate guys in the locker room because they are guys who don't believe.
Its hard to coach a team full of young talent when the team full of young talent is always wearing suits rather than their gameday unis.
The sad truth is that monty has not had a chance to coach a team with real talent for a full season ever since CP and DW left. Everybody brings up his record but never mentions how he has coached a team full of pups and D-leaguers, but the one thing you hear from people outside of the organization is that the Hornets/Pels are going to play you tough every night.
If Monty gets fired he'll get another job, and I'll root for the guy wherever he goes because I understand his struggle here. And when they bring Avery here to coach the team you'll wish Monty was still here, because nobody is gonna want to come to play for Avery even if AD is here.
Its not so much injuries it's under performing. Having one of the worst defensive teams for the past 5 years. Losing to teams like the Magic, Knicks, Sixers, and Jazz when you have the playoffs on the line. Having one of the worst passing teams in the leauge. Not playing to you team strengths having Tyreke, AD, Gordon, and Jrue who are great in transition but play at the slowest pace in the league.
BSH, I just realized that. Sorry bout dat!
Okay I'm serious what has Monty done that warrants his firing? He has gotten some bad breaks as far as injuries go on the team but continues to plug along even though he has made some bad decisions. We all make mistakes. Be careful what you wish for if you want Monty fired. Avery Johnson goes to church too.
John Reid got a lot of joy hearing Monty admit that.
I think the Rivers situation had Monty's hands tied the last 2 years. ...
It's interesting to read through this thread then read the article. People I think are looking too deep at what Monty is saying. I read it and took his admission of making mistakes as him admitting he hasn't done everything perfectly. Maybe he's here next year, maybe he's gone. But I don't think this article gives any secret insight into that.
For me, he should lose his job due to the losses to sub 500 teams when he had his full lineup. If we win half those games we are in the 8th spot and possibly the 7th spot. That loss to the Magic a few days ago was terrible. He had AD and Ryno.
I can sort of agree, but that seemed a lot heavier and more leaning on faith than normal, even for Monty. And then the line about his career seemed a bit out of place as well.
I wish we could see the questions that lead to these answers. I'm sure there's video somewhere, but I rarely am able to hear the questions in those anyway.Quote:
I just try the best I can every single day and trust the Lord with my career.
OMG, someone admits publicly that they have been wrong?!
What is the world coming to, and why is this on PRreport? (a place where nobody admits being wrong, lol)
I read the article, and now I have The voice of Freddie Mecury saying the Minty quotes ready to close them with "We are the champions."
This is not the first time he admitted to making mistakes. Pretty much says this every off season. The only difference with this one is the religious content is much higher than usual.
I'm pretty apathetic towards Monty, but where did this narrative start? Monty had his full lineup for 12 games this year. Are we all watching the game or extrapolating on others' emotional charges.
He didn't have AD in that game. Anyone who watched it could tell that AD was probably at less than 60% capacity that game. It was also before we got Cole
The BIG BAD losses were all without AD and Jrue. The big problem is that people overestimate what this team is without those two; which is a 20-something win team.
I'm so confused with the religious discomfort in this thread. I didn't find what he said to be overtly zealous in the religious sense, and I didn't find any comments that were overly critical of one's faith. But half the comments are about that.
"I'm not perfect as a coach, and I've made some mistakes, but I have confidence in myself and our guys and I'm optimistic that we'll pull it together and become a contender. We're going to need a lot of good breaks and good luck to contend, everyone does in this league"
That's pretty much the same exact thing he's saying, which we could've heard out of Carlisle or Pop's mouth...
Your last sentence I think hits on exactly why we have the Monty Vs. Demps debate or guys like me who don't care for either.
To the anti-monty, pro Demps people, Demps has put together a bunch of young stars that monty has failed to optimize together. To many (but not all) of the pro-monty guys, Monty hasn't had full health or been given the proper personel outside of Davis and fill-in-the-blank player(s) that a particular poster likes but in his unfortunate circumstances has done the best he could.
Then there are guys like me that don't think either are bad at their job but that they haven't been good enough that I wouldn't try to upgrade.
I agree Pelicantoo. That's why I asked the question, because 2 people before me said, in effect, that they are sick of the God bashing. I didn't see one comment that would have led them to say that, and that was after also reading the TP comments. That's why I brought it up.
I'm confused that people think there's religious discomfort in this thread. All I see is people complaining about Bible Bashing when there is none. The closest thing was someone hoping Monty doesn't rely on "signs from above" to coach games.Quote:
I'm so confused with the religious discomfort in this thread.
Monty speaks his faith all the time, just not in this volume. That's what I think makes the quotes potentially interesting, not that he's a very religious person, we already knew that, but that he seemed more religious than normal for him when giving these answers.Quote:
I didn't find what he said to be overtly zealous in the religious sense
Me either but furthermore if there was a comment that can be perceived as critical of Monty's reliance on faith, so what????
Like Monty's X's and O's or Demps trades - like anything else in the world - religion/faith isn't above criticism.
Like I have said every time people get worked up because certain posters don't tow a certain line of groupthink that members on this board feel is a barrier of acceptance to be here - perhaps if you can't deal with differences of opinion and are too sensitive to alternative opinions that these type of open message boards aren't for you.
But again, nothing in this thread can be remotely perceived as bashing religion.
To get this thread back on track, I agree with Junkhead, Salmons over Babbitt was a really moment or moments.
I just think he was in a particularly existential mood when he was asked. I mean, I would understand if he said "AD didn't pray hard enough before the Miami game, so that why he got hurt."
He's looking at the unpredictable variance of the game, the "luck" portion, the "basketball gods," the "favorable turn of the universe" or, for the completely frustrating, that little space in the middle of the game which isn't related to players and skill sets and plays.... where things either grind or click together.
To me, it's all upbringing and semantics to how you describe those sentiments. I don't fault someone for saying we need God to get to the playoffs any more that someone who suggests we need "a seemingly disconnected series of coincidence." It's the same suggestion to me.
Agreed. And differences of opinion are the fuel of understanding.. you and I argue all the time, but I feel like I have a better perspective on the team every time we do. If I just posted "Heck ya!" every time someone said something I agree with and "YOU'RE WRONG" everytime they said something I don't agree with, I would literally never understand the game any better.
Wasn't the focus of the article about Monty coping with the grind of coaching through his faith? I didn't take any of the quotes as out of the ordinary because from the title it seemed that was the focus of it.
He did a good job letting a hot player stay in the game. He has the talent to not be rigid with line-ups. We have good enough players to just go with who is going well. Don't worry about who finishes.
When healthy though he does become rigid. Unless a bench guy is having the game of his life, and even then it might not change, he is going to have davis, Ryno, evans, gordon and Jrue out there to close the game out.
I think the fluidity in his rotations in the second half are a reason for our recent successes that haven't gone noticed as much.
It's hard to say though due to the additions of Cole and Q-Pon. Like I mentioned in the Cole thread, I think Monty has confidence in those 2 dudes.... enough so that he can bench Tyreke or EG down the stretch if they're not playing well. When Tyreke was going full-knucklehead early in the year, who do you "be flexible" with?
You can assume that may be the case going forward but if history is our compass that isn't what would happen. Jrue, Gordon, evans, davis and anderson have been the clutch guys when healthy almost every single time a close 4th quarter game is going on. There have been few exceptions.
I made this argument the other day but for all intents and purposes Ryno should not be out there In the clutch of games unless it is a very particular scenario. Yet every game he has been healthy he gets the majority of clutch minutes over Asik or another alternative.
So I am not convinced that Monty would shift that philosophy a whole bunch just because of Qpon, Babbitt and Cole.
But there is no history with this team. It's completely different than it was earlier in the season. Monty very clearly played those guys because they were his best players and he was trying to win.
With Cole and QPon being able to defend and hit some shots that opens up Monty's options quite a bit more. Even still, exactly how much can you expect Monty to vary the lineups to end games? If you Assume AD, Jrue, and Tyreke are locks then those other two positions aren't super easy to rearrange. Gordon has been so clutch from 3pt that you need him in probably. Asik is dead on offense and kills spacing for Tyreke so if it's a close or losing game you are probably going to want Ryno in instead.
I mean if the only disagreement you have is that he plays Ryno a bit too much in end of game situations that's not really him being that bad right? That means you agree with 80% of the players he puts out there to end the game.
The problem with playing Ryno or Tyreke isn't bad in itself, it's just that he gives them both too long a leash at times when offensive execution is paramount. Ryno has been allowed to kill the offense with a single touch way too often. Tyreke will try to find the open man all game, except when the team desperately needs a good bucket, then it's 50/50 he'll do what's needed.
If they refuse to execute, put someone else in. In all fairness, Monty has only had other options in the last month since Pondexter/Cole came over.
You know I just had an entire response typed up and accidentally hit the cancel button instead of advanced post.
I hate that button, why is it even there?
Anyways, the crux is this, the only two players that have shown a high level of consistency in the clutch are Davis and Gordon. Evans and Ryno are at the bottom.
Ultimately this argument is a projection of future behavior and no one can win that argument until it can be tested in the future.
Do I think his flexibility in clutch situations may change now that he trusts guys like Cole, Babbitt and Qpon? Maybe a bit. Say, a 10% increase in late game flexibility with his traditional closing five. Mostly on nights of extremes - where a starter has a very poor night and a bench guy has career night. But not enough that I would say he will maintain his current flexibility into the future with the starters back. No way.
I'm a fascinating guy!