Knicks are prepared to trade Jose Calderon

As my buddy @KBergCBS wrote, the Knicks are prepared to trade Jose Calderon, if there's a taker. Also: everyone else not named Carmelo.

— Howard Beck (@HowardBeck) January 6, 2015

Exactly what we need a veteran back up pg and dead eye 3pt shooter. Just like with the Shump and J.R. deal they may just want a salary dump.

His contract is $7M.

WTH?

I agree that we need a backup PG, but maybe at a more comfortable salary.

hmmmmm, id ponder this tho....

Salary dump all the way for Phil Jackson. They trade away JR & Shumpert for basically nothing in return except cap space. Perhaps they will tank now to get a good draft and get some good FA to start rebuilding. Calderon at his age now is a good backup pg, something like Jaret Jack type but definitely not worth 7 million.

He would definitely fit, but his salary is way too high. ..

I would trade Eric Gordon for Calderon, Quincy Acy and a future 2nd round pick. They might suck bad enough to get Gordon to decline his player option....

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Originally Posted by NOEngineer

I would trade Eric Gordon for Calderon, Quincy Acy and a future 2nd round pick. They might suck bad enough to get Gordon to decline his player option....

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They are trying to salary dump, keep that in mind.

Bargnani, Calderon, and Cleanthony Early for Gordon.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=mcjn899

It saves them over $4 million. We get Bargnani (expiring) as a backup center, Calderon as a backup PG, and Early as a SF project.

Yes all they would want is non-garunteed contracts and trade exceptions...

i understand hes prolly not worth 7 mill but he is a great backup pg for a little bit more than we would want...

Pay more for him or let our current situation run its course?

Saves $4mil this year put on the hook for $15 mil next season. I'm sure they love that lol

Contract runs through 2016. I don't want to tie up any new big contracts passed 2015.

Salmons + Rivers and Jimmer/Withey/Russ/Ajinca works. I'm sure they'd do it just for the expirings but I don't think we should. Ties up a lot of money for a pretty old, albeit good, backup.

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Originally Posted by Mr. West

Salmons + Rivers and Jimmer/Withey/Russ/Ajinca works. I'm sure they'd do it just for the expirings but I don't think we should. Ties up a lot of money for a pretty old, albeit good, backup.

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I would do it. But I think you could probably get them to attach an asset in addition, maybe Cleanthony Early.

Everyone on that team is on the block but Carmelo? Phil was amazing as a head coach, but he is an idiot as a GM.

We aren't going to get him but I think his style compliments AD.

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

Everyone on that team is on the block but Carmelo? Phil was amazing as a head coach, but he is an idiot as a GM.

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How can you tell?! Has it been 6 months yet?

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Originally Posted by Pardon

They are trying to salary dump, keep that in mind.

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But would EG void 2nd yr to get new contract and stay in NY?

i'd rather take McNamara's suggestion of Mo Williams for Austin. Get the veteran on an expiring contract out of a bad situation to play in meaningful games & give them a look at a young guy with potential. Win-win

I'm good with that too, need someone to hit a jumper.

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Originally Posted by AD23nEG10

i'd rather take McNamara's suggestion of Mo Williams for Austin. Get the veteran on an expiring contract out of a bad situation to play in meaningful games & give them a look at a young guy with potential. Win-win

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The question is what does Minne want for Mo though. No team is taking Rivers for a straight swap.

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Originally Posted by billfromfinance

The question is what does Minne want for Mo though. No team is taking Rivers for a straight swap.

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I'm not so sure. Imagine neither guy is on Minnesota right now. Minny is a virtual lock for a bottom 3 NBA record. Both guys are UFA's this summer. With that in mind, who makes more sense for their team - a 32 year old veteran or a 22 yr old former lottery pick that might just need a change of scenery to become a decent piece?

I just don't see the use Minny has for Mo, and I could see them talking themselves into the fact that maybe Rivers has a 10% chance of being a developmental piece for theme, where Mo has a 0% chance of becoming that

Good fit but his contract isn't worth it. Prigioni wouldn't be a bad option

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

I'm not so sure. Imagine neither guy is on Minnesota right now. Minny is a virtual lock for a bottom 3 NBA record. Both guys are UFA's this summer. With that in mind, who makes more sense for their team - a 32 year old veteran or a 22 yr old former lottery pick that might just need a change of scenery to become a decent piece?

I just don't see the use Minny has for Mo, and I could see them talking themselves into the fact that maybe Rivers has a 10% chance of being a developmental piece for theme, where Mo has a 0% chance of becoming that

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If we can't get Mo....realistically who else could we get ?

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Originally Posted by billfromfinance

The question is what does Minne want for Mo though. No team is taking Rivers for a straight swap.

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We got Marco Belinelli for Julian Wright.

Anything is possible.

I would rather Jimmer than Calderon at his price. Don't understand why people just wanna straight up dump Rivers for noting. If we can resign him this off season it will be cheap and we could have a player that turns into a very special bench player or a solid starter like the Spurs use Green. His shot is getting better along with his overall game. Rivers has potential I would like to hold onto and develop instead of just dumping for some revolving door player.

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Originally Posted by GuardianAngel25

I would rather Jimmer than Calderon at his price. Don't understand why people just wanna straight up dump Rivers for noting. If we can resign him this off season it will be cheap and we could have a player that turns into a very special bench player or a solid starter like the Spurs use Green. His shot is getting better along with his overall game. Rivers has potential I would like to hold onto and develop instead of just dumping for some revolving door player.

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Rivers has been abysmal lately.......All his numbers except for free throw percentage are career lows.......not worth keeping..IMO

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

I'm not so sure. Imagine neither guy is on Minnesota right now. Minny is a virtual lock for a bottom 3 NBA record. Both guys are UFA's this summer. With that in mind, who makes more sense for their team - a 32 year old veteran or a 22 yr old former lottery pick that might just need a change of scenery to become a decent piece?

I just don't see the use Minny has for Mo, and I could see them talking themselves into the fact that maybe Rivers has a 10% chance of being a developmental piece for theme, where Mo has a 0% chance of becoming that

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with rubio out, lavine starting at pg isn't awesome, Mo gives them the vet presence for the locker room and court with so many young guys and an injury marred year. he is someone who can create well for others as well as score in their starting unit, and off the bench he was their best scorer too. On the other end, they have big issues in injuries that have clearly hurt their plans and they aren't winning so that potentially changes everything. Can I see them moving Mo? yep. Can I see them moving him for Rivers alone? I just don't see it. Granted they are both expiring, but Rivers only upside is a prayer that he improves greatly with a different organisation - and in this instance, an organisation that isn't struggling for potential guards really. In my mind, if I'm flip, I'm wanting more than just Rivers for Mo. Don't get me wrong, I would love it if we could do the deal, but just trying to think on the other side whether I would really do it. If he was open for trade, I feel others could throw a dirty towel and it would be more valuable, BUT most teams are already strong at the guard spot really. Maybe Indiana or Miami would do something for a performing backup guard (cole hasn't exactly had a brilliant season)?

I've also been looking on the wolves subreddit, trying to gauge their trade ideas and interests. funnily enough Mo isn't even mentioned. we get a mention (people actually willing to take EG's contract) until they realised we don't have a first next year to give haha. Quite a fair few interesting posts trying to get KG back.

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with rubio out, lavine starting at pg isn't awesome, Mo gives them the vet presence for the locker room and court with so many young guys and an injury marred year. he is someone who can create well for others as well as score in their starting unit, and off the bench he was their best scorer too. On the other end, they have big issues in injuries that have clearly hurt their plans and they aren't winning so that potentially changes everything. Can I see them moving Mo? yep. Can I see them moving him for Rivers alone? I just don't see it. Granted they are both expiring, but Rivers only upside is a prayer that he improves greatly with a different organisation - and in this instance, an organisation that isn't struggling for potential guards really. In my mind, if I'm flip, I'm wanting more than just Rivers for Mo. Don't get me wrong, I would love it if we could do the deal, but just trying to think on the other side whether I would really do it. If he was open for trade, I feel others could throw a dirty towel and it would be more valuable, BUT most teams are already strong at the guard spot really. Maybe Indiana or Miami would do something for a performing backup guard (cole hasn't exactly had a brilliant season)?

I've also been looking on the wolves subreddit, trying to gauge their trade ideas and interests. funnily enough Mo isn't even mentioned. we get a mention (people actually willing to take EG's contract) until they realised we don't have a first next year to give haha. Quite a fair few interesting posts trying to get KG back.

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i wouldn't mind CJ watson either. but even with your rationale... okay timberwolves get worse, Jhalil Okafor anyone? teams THAT bad aren't really worried about a veteran and if that guy wants to go play for a team who may be in the playoffs they usuall honor that request. they know they aren't competing for anything this year except the #1 pick. trade vets for high risk high reward guys or draft picks and no ones trading anything more than a 2nd rounder at best for an expiring 32 year old IMO. i fully expect jameer to be moved again too & ainge is on record for having an infatuation with Austin even after Doc left. I think there are definitely serviceable vets we can trade for Rivers, i'm just afraid Monty's relationship with Doc makes him hesitant to let him go

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Originally Posted by AD23nEG10

i wouldn't mind CJ watson either. but even with your rationale... okay timberwolves get worse, Jhalil Okafor anyone? teams THAT bad aren't really worried about a veteran and if that guy wants to go play for a team who may be in the playoffs they usuall honor that request. they know they aren't competing for anything this year except the #1 pick. trade vets for high risk high reward guys or draft picks and no ones trading anything more than a 2nd rounder at best for an expiring 32 year old IMO. i fully expect jameer to be moved again too & ainge is on record for having an infatuation with Austin even after Doc left. I think there are definitely serviceable vets we can trade for Rivers, i'm just afraid Monty's relationship with Doc makes him hesitant to let him go

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If Monty feels that way and keeps Austin in the rotation....He'll be calling Doc for a job in a few months.....

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Originally Posted by SaintPelican225

Rivers has been abysmal lately.......All his numbers except for free throw percentage are career lows.......not worth keeping..IMO

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I didn't say he has been great but he definitely has potential. The kid could still be in college working on his game like Lillard. I just don't think you dump someone like him with the talent he has once he gets everything together. He is so young and once he is more experienced will be atleast a great combo guard off the bench. Not everyone develops and turns into Davis so quickly. Rivers is a project and instead of dumping him for nothing why not try to keep him for cheap and actually develop a player for once. Teams get rid of players way to quickly now a days and so many times they turn into good players a couple years down the road. I'm not saying he's gonna be great but look at how many players after getting time turn into very good bench players or even starters. I just think he real value with him is keeping him and seeing what he turns into.

How long can one make a career off of "potential"? At some point there has to be an expiration date right? The guys career has been a valley, then an ant hill, and back down to the valley. I am glad some are more optimistic about Rivers than I am, but I don't think the Wolves will bite on that.

I am will Billfromfinance, the Wolves aren't going to trade Williams to us (just for Rivers) to do him a solid. We would have to give up a bit more, because as the trade deadline comes around and the playoffs start becoming a reality for some teams, some playoff bound team will have the same mentality and fork over more than just an expiring bust for a proven player. Maybe we can toss in Jimmer (two busts are better than one?), or something else to secure his services, but who is trading something for what people are selling Rivers as. People know there isn't beachfront property in Nebraska, and NBA people know Rivers as attractive a game as Bob Cousey today.

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

How long can one make a career off of "potential"? At some point there has to be an expiration date right? The guys career has been a valley, then an ant hill, and back down to the valley. I am glad some are more optimistic about Rivers than I am, but I don't think the Wolves will bite on that.

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Sadly this is where I'm at with Rivers. No one can argue that I haven't been a huge supporter of him in the past.i really wanted it to work out. I still think he has the physical side of it. He has the ability to get to the rim and he has the ability on the defensive end. The problem seems for him to be all mental. Like MM said his home and away splits are night and day different.

He still might develop somewhere and I wish him all the best but I just don't see it happening here.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

Sadly this is where I'm at with Rivers. No one can argue that I haven't been a huge supporter of him in the past.i really wanted it to work out. I still think he has the physical side of it. He has the ability to get to the rim and he has the ability on the defensive end. The problem seems for him to be all mental. Like MM said his home and away splits are night and day different.

He still might develop somewhere and I wish him all the best but I just don't see it happening here.

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yeah and at this point, what is his potential? Reke? one Reke is enough, look how many complaints he gets. I don't want to cut rivers for nothing. I'm all for MM's idea if the wolves are hungry for it (I'm here all night).