To begin the season, these two obviously were eager to have one heck of a season by ball hogging to extremes at one point. But the last couple of games, i've noticed both of them, especially Ryno haven't been jacking up shots left right and center as AD finally had 20 shot attempts last night, something he hadn't actually done for a long while..
Although, Ryno seemed a bit too hesitant last night for my liking, it would be good if he could get a mix between the two, while reke should only ball hog when his hot.. and i think his learnt that.
Question is.. has Montys preaching of team ball finally rubbed onto these two?? Ball movement still hasn't been the best, but it was much better last night, and we stuck with a hot Dallas all game at their home, any other night and we probably would of beaten them.
Have Ryno and Tyreke finally learnt to play team ball?
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12-11-2014, 07:01 AMPantazis76Have Ryno and Tyreke finally learnt to play team ball?
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12-11-2014, 07:11 AMInner_GI
No. Anderson is still a Jason Smith type where the ball just stops when he gets it.
Things Anderson needs to stop doing:
1. Stopping all team ball movement
2. Shooting stupid step back fade-away jumpers
3. Missing the majority of his wide open 3s.
Tyreke doesn't bother me. For some reason he cannot make layups on the road. It's just ridiculous. -
12-11-2014, 07:24 AMRaisingTheBar
So far Anderson is having his worst season.
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12-11-2014, 07:27 AMRaisingTheBar
btw Tyreke Evans is shooting the 3 better than Ryno. And no, that is not a typo.
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12-11-2014, 11:36 AMUptownFuz504I'm sure a lot of it has to do with number of attempts. Ryno shoots a ton more than Reke.Quote:
Originally Posted by RaisingTheBar
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12-11-2014, 11:36 AMUptownFuz504I'm sure a lot of it has to do with number of attempts. Ryno shoots a ton more than Reke.Quote:
Originally Posted by RaisingTheBar
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12-11-2014, 12:24 PMBallSoHard+1Quote:
Originally Posted by Inner_GI
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12-11-2014, 12:36 PMjrue_grit
Things Ryno needs to keep doing:
Abusing the smaller guard on the block when they switch off a screen. Dude is an underrated post scorer, but he differs towards the perimeter for faders. Come on -
12-11-2014, 01:17 PMRaisingTheBarYes but that also means he's missing a lot more lolQuote:
Originally Posted by UptownFuz504
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12-11-2014, 01:17 PMRaisingTheBarThis times 10. His post game is very under rated. By why is it that EVERY TIME he has a smaller guy on him he takes that lower percentage fade away?Quote:
Originally Posted by jrue_grit
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12-11-2014, 01:18 PMRaisingTheBardupQuote:
Originally Posted by jrue_grit
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12-11-2014, 01:19 PMBallSoHardThis creates an anger bubble of rage for me everytime it happens, and probably wrongly so, i get more ticked when he makes it because you know we'll see it again.Quote:
Originally Posted by RaisingTheBar
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12-11-2014, 01:52 PMPelsFan2313It's refreshing to see people are finally getting on the same page as it relates to Ryno's play style. I've been beating this drum since last year. And I love the Jason Smith comparison. I've made the same comparison in the past which was why I was so ecstatic when we let Smith go to NY. I'm all for pairing Ryno with Reke for a superior talent if the opportunity presents itself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Inner_GI
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12-11-2014, 01:53 PMPelsFan2313Every. Single. Time. I've observed the same thing. Infuriating.Quote:
Originally Posted by RaisingTheBar
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12-11-2014, 01:53 PMTaker597
I really hope we can get 2013-2014 Rhyno... He was on fire when he played Las year. He elevated us past .500 and everything went to hell when he got hurt.
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12-11-2014, 02:07 PMgreewe
Ryno needs to get his legs under him. His shots look flat, and I suspect that's due to the lack of conditioning that comes with being out for so long.
If he made 38.1% of his 3s like he has over his career, I don't think anyone here would have an issue with him being a "ball stopper." That would produce 1.143 PPP, which is higher than our team average of 1.091 PPP.
I do wish he would take fewer long fadeaways just inside the arc. -
12-11-2014, 02:21 PMPELICANSFANAnderson should never be in the same sentence as Smith. That is an extreme over exaggeration. Anderson is having a rough start to the season, but he will be fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Inner_GI
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12-11-2014, 02:25 PMInner_GIWhen it comes to stopping ball movement they are the exact same player.Quote:
Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN
At least smith never took a guard in the post only to take a step back fadeaway on a guy a foot shorter than him.
Anderson infuriates me when he does that and good teams are baiting him into it just like they did with smith's mid range game. -
12-11-2014, 03:51 PMt-rex23
I'm surprised for all the Ryno hate and NONE for Tyreke.
Tyreke is AWFUL! He is a terrible fit for this team.
The biggest problem we have is that our team is not structured around Anthony Davis. Tyreke cannot get others involved. He is a ball stopper and a turnover machine. -
12-11-2014, 04:01 PMCaffeinedisastr
Has anyone else notice that while Ryno is slumping on his shot,
he has been incredible on the offensive boards? -
12-11-2014, 04:04 PMBallSoHardYes you are correct. Tyreke Evans the 3rd ranked SG in assist per games cannot get others involved. He is a ball stopper. Great observation.Quote:
Originally Posted by t-rex23
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12-11-2014, 04:16 PMCaffeinedisastr
Tyreke is just behind Jrue as far as assists per game this season.
However, he also leads the team in turnovers per game.
Comparison:
Rk
Player
Season
Age
G
GS
MP
FG
FGA
FG%
3P
3PA
3P%
2P
2PA
2P%
FT
FTA
FT%
ORB
DRB
TRB
AST
STL
BLK
TOV
PF
PTS
1
Tyreke Evans
2014-15
25
21
21
34.1
6.2
15.0
.414
0.8
2.5
.321
5.4
12.4
.433
2.2
3.5
.644
1.1
4.3
5.4
5.6
1.2
0.3
2.9
2.6
15.4
2
Jrue Holiday
2014-15
24
21
21
33.9
6.2
13.9
.450
1.3
3.5
.370
5.0
10.4
.477
2.0
2.3
.896
0.8
2.6
3.4
6.8
1.3
0.5
1.8
2.7
15.8
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12-11-2014, 04:17 PMN.O.BroncoQuote:
Originally Posted by BallSoHard
He's not wrong though if we are taking the whole season into perspective. I will say that that the last two games I have been more impressed with him then anytime this season.
His decision making was better, he wasn't playing hero ball, he played within the offense and the stat sheet didn't show that at least 2 or 3 of his attempts were because he was the bailout option in a few possessions where his only option late in the clock was a bad shot or a tough assist.
Yes he still took some bad shots but there were a couple times last night where if it were 5 games ago he would of taken a low percentage long two when the D gave him the look but last night he was smart enough to not bite. There were one or two where he did still so he hasn't completely cured himself.
Still he is bad defensively and while he's gotten better he still forces too many bad shots a game. -
12-11-2014, 04:17 PMN.O.Bronco
Double post
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12-11-2014, 04:18 PMHornetGurui think tyreke also handles the ball more than jrue tho, i could be wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Caffeinedisastr
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12-11-2014, 04:18 PMCaffeinedisastr
K. Done trying to format it.
Here's the link:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/...idjr01&y2=2015 -
12-11-2014, 04:21 PMCaffeinedisastr
The last few games I've noticed Tyreke changing his shot selection a bit.
He's taken more shots at the rim and settled for less jumpers.
This is a VERY good trend. -
12-11-2014, 04:21 PMPelifan
Ryan just needs someone to create shots for him, put him without our awful bench, then all the sudden Ryan is playing behind the arc more and gets less O boards. Problem is monty, not Anderson.
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12-11-2014, 04:22 PMBallSoHardHe is wrong on 2/3 post. The TO% is indisputable without a doubt; but to call a guy who is in the top 3 of his position in assist a ball stopper and someone who disrupts the offense is inaccurate imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.Bronco
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12-11-2014, 04:40 PMjrue_grit
I think there is also some correlation to Dante Cunningham getting more minutes with Ryno's unit. Cunningham does hang out in the corner, which is good for spacing, but when he is hunting the elbow jumper Ryno doesn't get the same court spacing as he did when, say Babbit or Salmons, were further out past the 3 pt line.
Don't care though I love Dante. Most hustles per game -
12-11-2014, 06:11 PMPerth_HornetTop 3 of what? Surely you don't mean power forwards?Quote:
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12-11-2014, 06:12 PMBallSoHardTop 3 in assist for a sgQuote:
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12-11-2014, 06:28 PMPerth_HornetSorry I thought you were referring to Ryno.Quote:
Originally Posted by BallSoHard
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