Imagine having a moron GM who thinks giving a cancer like Tyreke 4/48 is a good idea

Imagine that GM also trading away a much better player in Robin Lopez on a 5 mil a year contract to get Tyreke Evans
Imagine that same moron GM compounding that by trading away another likely lottery pick (likely understatement of the century) to get a center who is as good as the one he traded away

Imagine that same moron GM trading 2 lottery picks for Jrue tunnel vision Holiday
Imagine that same moron GM giving Eric Gordon a max contract
Imagine that same moron GM spending a top 10 lottery pick on Austin Rivers
Imagine that same moron GM putting together a roster where John Salmons' corpse's corpse, Luke I make statues look mobile Babbitt, Alexis I could foul out of a game if there was no one else in the gym Ajinca, Jimmer Fredette (he is so bad he doesn't deserve anything else said about him) play rotation minutes

Not that hard to imagine

Tyreke needs to dial his game down some, and I was one of the biggest critics at first when we signed him, but we need his playmaking. It's hard to get more talented players on a losing small market team. He was worth a shot and his deal isn't immovable or anything

Calling a player you don't like a cancer is like saying I want to break your legs for saying it.

Uncalled for.

And Jrue Holiday is better than any player we would've gotten in the draft that year. All the other stuff? Whatever.

Imagine that same moron gm trading away a young Ariza for nothing
Imagine that same moron gm trading a 1st for Jerryd Bayless

This thread should be locked.

Imagine the same moron who traded Quincy pondexter for grieves Vasquez, another 1 year rental, like Asik.

I dont get the Jrue deal criticisms. How long do you want to stay a lottery team? You end up like the 76ers or Cavs before Lebron. It creates a losing culture and by the time those lottery picks deals expire, you still suck and they want out anyway (ie Kevin Love)

The Tyreke trade looks pretty bad right now. I like the Jrue trade still.

Newsflash: We are a lottery team now and a big part of the reason is because Jrue Holiday isn't a guy that moves the needle. He is a league average PG at best. He is worse than a guy like Jeff Teague who Atlanta wasn't even sure if they were signing for a while.

Spending 2 top 10 lottery picks to get a player like that is a horrible waste of assets.

This thread is giving me rabies.

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Newsflash: We are a lottery team now and a big part of the reason is because Jrue Holiday isn't a guy that moves the needle. He is a league average PG at best. He is worse than a guy like Jeff Teague who Atlanta wasn't even sure if they were signing for a while.

Spending 2 top 10 lottery picks to get a player like that is a horrible waste of assets.

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Except when we made the trade we werent expecting half the roster to end up on the IR. But still I disagree, I'm not impressed by MCW or Noel and people dont consider how often lottery picks bust. Whereas in Jrue we got a proven well rounded player who probably hasn't even hit his ceiling yet

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Except when we made the trade we werent expecting half the roster to end up on the IR. But still I disagree, I'm not impressed by MCW or Noel and people dont consider how often lottery picks bust. Whereas in Jrue we got a proven well rounded player who probably hasn't even hit his ceiling yet

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It's simpler to focus on the flaws and say a player is less of what he is. That way, if you're right. You get to say "I told you so!" And if you're wrong, it's still a positive outcome for the team. So, cathartic ranting a-go-go, baby!

You know what I really dislike that is becoming a habit on this board lately? Instead of people voicing their disagreements with a post they rather post some mindless insult about the post.

Instead of saying why you disagree with Demps being a moron gm we get moronic posts like "this thread should be locked" and "this thread is giving me rabies"

Imagine having a thread about imagining having an imaginary moron GM. Now imagine said thread in the trash.

Imagine having a life, where you have to make real decisions and live with the consequences......

This team would lend credence to the fact that he is not the brightest basketball mind, at this point of less than great antiquity.

I agree the thread is trash.

We have to like Dell Demps on this board because of some asinine reason despite the fact that he has a track record of horrible moves and the fact that pretty much everyone that isn't a Pelicans fans thinks he is bad at his job. We also have to pretend that those people are just haters and that they want Davis gone from the small market because we have to be insecure.

The only guys we are allowed to bash here are Eric Gordon and of course public scapegoat number 1 Monty Williams who is responsible for everything bad.

Babbitt, Jimmer, Ajinca, Salmons are all guys that should be playing in an NBA rotation. Paying 12 mil a year for Tyreke Evans to post a TS percentage of 46 is definitely a good move. Trading a center that is starting for a Western contender and that changed their entire outlook that was making 5 mil a year was a great move. Austin Rivers is producing like a lottery pick. Jrue Holiday struggling to make right reads running pick and rolls with two of the best pick and roll weapons is not a big deal.

I forgot the game was on and watched This is the End. Now knowing I missed the game for it, I could care less how bad the movie was.

When Reke was signed, it was the most mind boggling decision to me. I rationalized it by saying maybe Dell knows that EG was really hurt and Reke was insurance. That signing is as mind boggling today as it was then. I imagined the convo like this.

Dell: Coach, what's our biggest need?
Monty: SF for sure Dell
Dell: nah, we have Chief. I'm going park in front of Tyreke's crib before the Ball Up guys get there. You can never have too many ball dominate guards on the team.

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You know what I really dislike that is becoming a habit on this board lately? Instead of people voicing their disagreements with a post they rather post some mindless insult about the post.

Instead of saying why you disagree with Demps being a moron gm we get moronic posts like "this thread should be locked" and "this thread is giving me rabies"

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My, my, my. How passive-aggressive of you, old bean.

When the premise of the thread doesn't really have much thought or tact put into it's creation, begging the question all throughout the post, what obligation do I have to provide much in a substantive rebuttal?

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My, my, my. How passive-aggressive of you, old bean.

When the premise of the thread doesn't really have much thought or tact put into it's creation, begging the question all throughout the post, what obligation do I have to provide much in a substantive rebuttal?

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EDIT: I take back what I said, you did explain yourself. I just saw the rabies post and not your other ones.

No calling out Monty? disappointed.

I am expecting a better troll thread.

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Calling a player you don't like a cancer is like saying I want to break your legs for saying it.

Uncalled for.

And Jrue Holiday is better than any player we would've gotten in the draft that year. All the other stuff? Whatever.

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I am still on the fence about Holiday. The deal cost us two first round picks and so far he seems to be a player that is good, likely toward the back of the top ten at his position, but isn't exactly a difference maker. Who seems to be very feast and famine and has questionable BB-IQ. But he has surpassed my original expectations but it will still be a couple years before you can really judge the trade.

The rest of the OP's arguments hold some weight even if they weren't articulated well.

The Evans trade looks pretty bad in retrospect and ultimately has cost us a starting Center, cap space and what is likely a late lottery pick to replace the hole bringing Evans on made. Evans doesnt look like a complimentary piece to Davis or the rest of the team.

Austin Rivers still looks like a bad pick in comparison to what was still available.

Demps started out his career here filling our bench with a lot of great finds and flipping bad players for players with good upside but has recently had a string of bad misses. Morrow was in there so he gets credit for that, but Stiemsma, Salmons, Jimmer, Babbitt, and Miller have all been poor signings.

The Bayless trade is also one that goes under the radar but that pick turned into Tobias Harris and players like Reggie Jackson, Kenneth Faried, Chandler Parsons and Bojan Bogdanovic were all still on the board.

If you are gonna give up the future to win now you need to hit. Demps has been more miss then hit with his asset trading transactions. He spent the future first to try and keep Paul and failed. Now he has traded most of our assets to create this current team and the outcome - even before the Gordon injury - was sketchy at best.

I can see what we were trying to do with those moves at the time. But taken in as a whole, nope. Not a shining beacon.

However, some moves thrown in by others after the fact are fruitless. The Ariza and Okafor trade cleared us of two hard contracts and Ariza then wasn't the player he is now. Not by a long shot. The Bayless situation was so perplexing. Because it was clear Bayless had talent, but there was some bizarre disconnect. Either Demps made the move and Monty didn't really approve or something.

As for Austin Rivers, it's a draft. Just about every way you can look at it has hindsight backing you. Too easy to say what should've been Can only look at the move at the time...

And to be honest, something always worried me about Rivers. I said as much when we took him. But whatever. One way or another, we'll be sure what to do with him come the end of the season.


Now for Evans, when things aren't going well, yeah, Evans really looks like a bad move. But it's been called an experiment...yet there's strong evidence to say that it can work. That Evans can be a productive asset to the team. And it isn't hypothetical. It was pretty much all post-AS game last season. End of the day, agree with him or not. The moves Demps made haven't been moronic. Polarizing, sure. But the premise of the OP is just insulting.

I've always been such a Demps supporter but... I kinda agree. You look at what everyone says: don't trade picks early in a rebuild. We all justified it by saying Demps knew what he was doing. But here we are with no picks and a team under .500 with absolutely NO young assets or cheap roleplayers. The same exact reasons why they say not to trade first early into a rebuild.

Tyreke seems worse then Rolo. Everyone around here said Rolo couldn't start for any decent team. He is. Vasquez was traded at peak value in that trade and he's solid depth for another really good team. I won't even go over Omer possibly walking this offseason because that's just too pessimistic even for me. God I hope we can keep him.

I'm still fine with the Jrue trade because he looks like he helps the team win. I'm not going to say it's something we undoubtedly should've done but I love Jrue and his impact is obvious. But Tyreke... Man it's just a love hate relationship. I'm excited to watch him play but dang he can't work off the bench, dang he can't play without floor spacers, dang he needs the ball a bit more DANG HE CANNOT MAKE LAYUPS. WITH THE BALL IN HIS HANDS. IN THE STARTING UNIT. WITH ANDERSON IN.

I'm just sad. I'll get bashed for this but I'd like to say I still have faith in this team. I'm just ranting.

But there is cause for concern. I think that's fair to say.

I'm so sick of these stupid posts.

Tell me how exactly having ROBIN LOPEZ (who two years ago everyone was begging, pleading, praying we got rid of) and a first round pick this year makes this team better than it is right now with Tyreke and Asik.

Tyreke Evans over the last 10 games has been averaging 14 points, 6 dimes, and 5 boards on 42% shooting with about a steal and a half. The dude has had a couple of bad games. Not every player can be super hot every single night. Players go through hot and cold streaks all the time. Tyreke just happened to hit that tonight.

And tell me why we are complaining about Jrue when he held John Wall (a player who single handedly destroyed us last year when he was hurt) to a measly 11 points, all while putting up a pretty respectable 17 and 7 himself.

Imagine a thread where people actually explained their opinion instead of anonymously bashing players, coaches, and GMs after the team loses.
Imagine a forum where fans where patient as we find our identity, taking the wins and the loses in stride

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I can see what we were trying to do with those moves at the time. But taken in as a whole, nope. Not a shining beacon.

However, some moves thrown in by others after the fact are fruitless. The Ariza and Okafor trade cleared us of two hard contracts and Ariza then wasn't the player he is now. Not by a long shot. The Bayless situation was so perplexing. Because it was clear Bayless had talent, but there was some bizarre disconnect. Either Demps made the move and Monty didn't really approve or something.

As for Austin Rivers, it's a draft. Just about every way you can look at it has hindsight backing you. Too easy to say what should've been Can only look at the move at the time...

And to be honest, something always worried me about Rivers. I said as much when we took him. But whatever. One way or another, we'll be sure what to do with him come the end of the season.


Now for Evans, when things aren't going well, yeah, Evans really looks like a bad move. But it's been called an experiment...yet there's strong evidence to say that it can work. That Evans can be a productive asset to the team. And it isn't hypothetical. It was pretty much all post-AS game last season. End of the day, agree with him or not. The moves Demps made haven't been moronic. Polarizing, sure. But the premise of the OP is just insulting.

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We traded Ariza for essentially nothing. He wasn't a bad player for us, just used incorrectly. Much like Houston before he was asked to take on a role he shouldn't be taking on - namely go-to scoring option. How many times a game did CP3 just dump it to Ariza with 5 seconds left and he had to jack up a bad shot?? He is best as the 3rd or 4th option on a championship team. A true 3, D, slashing, hustle player. Though I can excuse that decision. It did clear Okafor and Ariza really wasn't going to be happy on a rebuilding team.

Evans I can not. What we gave up for what we got is just too much. Demps knew what our needs were going into that offseason. He knew we struggled at the 3 and had a player at the 2 that was injury prone. He knew we had two major holes to fill and had depth and injury issues at Center. He knew the type of coach Monty was and is. Instead of singing Morrow, Aminu and another player that could potentially start at the 3 he took a huge gamble on a guy who was unproven at the role he hired him for: Bench spark ala Manu Ginobolli and fourth quarter SF. At the expense of our starting Center, backup PG and cap flexibility.

Evans Cost: 5 million in cap space, Grievies Vasquez, Robin Lopez, 11 million on the books til 17/18, a hole at SF and Center.

The only way his deal comes out a net positive is if Evans plays like he did to end last season. Which is looking more and more like an outlier and a case of a bad team catching good teams off guard.

I don't agree with everything op said BUT, we are a team that is cap strapped, no 1st rd picks, below .500 and not looking good at all. We see no progression from anyone on our roster outside of AD. Sorry, but this team is in complete shambles imo. I honestly feel we are in need of a new fresh start from up top. I've been a very big MONTY critic in the past BUT I'm not sure he has had a fair shake with wht dell has given him to work with. There just isn't much positives goin on outside of AD. Just how it is right now. Btw I still like the holiday trade too. I'd really like to keep a core 3 of holiday, Davis, and Asik. The rest can go.

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I'm so sick of these stupid posts.

Tell me how exactly having ROBIN LOPEZ (who two years ago everyone was begging, pleading, praying we got rid of) and a first round pick this year makes this team better than it is right now with Tyreke and Asik.

Tyreke Evans over the last 10 games has been averaging 14 points, 6 dimes, and 5 boards on 42% shooting with about a steal and a half. The dude has had a couple of bad games. Not every player can be super hot every single night. Players go through hot and cold streaks all the time. Tyreke just happened to hit that tonight.

And tell me why we are complaining about Jrue when he held John Wall (a player who single handedly destroyed us last year when he was hurt) to a measly 11 points, all while putting up a pretty respectable 17 and 7 himself.

Imagine a thread where people actually explained their opinion instead of anonymously bashing players, coaches, and GMs after the team loses.
Imagine a forum where fans where patient as we find our identity, taking the wins and the loses in stride

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People are and have been backing up their opinions in this thread and elsewhere. You making an argument that amounts to basically begging the question and circular logic and asking people questions that have already been answered - in this thread no less - isn't one of those posts that are backing their opinions up.

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I've always been such a Demps supporter but... I kinda agree. You look at what everyone says: don't trade picks early in a rebuild. We all justified it by saying Demps knew what he was doing. But here we are with no picks and a team under .500 with absolutely NO young assets or cheap roleplayers. The same exact reasons why they say not to trade first early into a rebuild.

Tyreke seems worse then Rolo. Everyone around here said Rolo couldn't start for any decent team. He is. Vasquez was traded at peak value in that trade and he's solid depth for another really good team. I won't even go over Omer possibly walking this offseason because that's just too pessimistic even for me. God I hope we can keep him.

I'm still fine with the Jrue trade because he looks like he helps the team win. I'm not going to say it's something we undoubtedly should've done but I love Jrue and his impact is obvious. But Tyreke... Man it's just a love hate relationship. I'm excited to watch him play but dang he can't work off the bench, dang he can't play without floor spacers, dang he needs the ball a bit more DANG HE CANNOT MAKE LAYUPS. WITH THE BALL IN HIS HANDS. IN THE STARTING UNIT. WITH ANDERSON IN.

I'm just sad. I'll get bashed for this but I'd like to say I still have faith in this team. I'm just ranting.

But there is cause for concern. I think that's fair to say.

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This is the other angle. Evans is showing that he is not an adaptable player. He works optimally only under very specific circumstances and forcing the team to bend that way would hurt this team and more importantly our superstar.

Even in those optimal conditions though he is an incomplete player. He can't jump shoot off the dribble so that limits his options in pick and roll. He isn't a great off the ball player and he is hit and miss on defense. He isn't a true PG so he can't be asked to efficiently distribute and run the offense for four quarters.

We all thought that Evans would play the Iggy/Lebron role by being a point-forward while Jrue and Gordon play off ball but he just doesnt have the vision and BB intelligence to do that for four quarters. That experiment lead to Evans getting tunnel vision and having our offense look like 4 guys standing around and watching Evans dribble and drive.

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My, my, my. How passive-aggressive of you, old bean.

When the premise of the thread doesn't really have much thought or tact put into it's creation, begging the question all throughout the post, what obligation do I have to provide much in a substantive rebuttal?

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If you feel that way then why reply to the thread at all? Why not just read and move on?

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People are and have been backing up their opinions in this thread and elsewhere. You making an argument that amounts to basically begging the question and circular logic and asking people questions that have already been answered - in this thread no less - isn't one of those posts that are backing their opinions up.

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I guess I missed the post where OP explained why Demps moves were bad ones.

And I'm pretty sure I provided some evidence as to why Reke and Jrue aren't terrible players. I would have provided way more but I just got off work (after dealing with three straight days of black friday nonsense) and am way to tired to do the research.

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This is the other angle. Evans is showing that he is not an adaptable player. He works optimally only under very specific circumstances and forcing the team to bend that way would hurt this team and more importantly our superstar.

Even in those optimal conditions though he is an incomplete player. He can't jump shoot off the dribble so that limits his options in pick and roll. He isn't a great off the ball player and he is hit and miss on defense. He isn't a true PG so he can't be asked to efficiently distribute and run the offense for four quarters.

We all thought that Evans would play the Iggy/Lebron role by being a point-forward while Jrue and Gordon play off ball but he just doesnt have the vision and BB intelligence to do that for four quarters. That experiment lead to Evans getting tunnel vision and having our offense look like 4 guys standing around and watching Evans dribble and drive.

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Not all of that can be attributed to Evans tho, where is the off ball movement when there is no play run, the collective IQ of the whole team is terrible. If there isn't an exact play drawn up telling each player where to go everyone just stands around. And a lot of that falls on the Coaching staff. Maybe we need to run a play every single time up the floor so we have more movement. Granted his defense has been extremely hit or miss but we have seen marked improvement on his three point shot this year (which was one of our biggest complaints about him) he is still pretty young if this season plays out and we don't see much more improvement then we can talk about moving on from Reke but give him time

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I guess I missed the post where OP explained why Demps moves were bad ones.

And I'm pretty sure I provided some evidence as to why Reke and Jrue aren't terrible players. I would have provided way more but I just got off work (after dealing with three straight days of black friday nonsense) and am way to tired to do the research.

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Thats not really a full picture of Evans though, at least you understand that. Thats a couple data points that miss the bigger picture. He is currently 0-11 from 3 over the last 5 games. 34.7% from the field. He is missing lay ups consistently, killing ball movement, has low BBIQ, limited in the PnRl due to poor jump shooting, struggles to play within the system and has been overall bad defensively.

The issue is whether Evans benefits outweigh his costs. And they don't IMO. Evans cost us 5 million in cap space, our starting center, our back up PG, 11 million on the books til 17/18 and created a hole at SF and Center in the process of his acquisition.

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Not all of that can be attributed to Evans tho, where is the off ball movement when there is no play run, the collective IQ of the whole team is terrible. If there isn't an exact play drawn up telling each player where to go everyone just stands around. And a lot of that falls on the Coaching staff. Maybe we need to run a play every single time up the floor so we have more movement. Granted his defense has been extremely hit or miss but we have seen marked improvement on his three point shot this year (which was one of our biggest complaints about him) he is still pretty young if this season plays out and we don't see much more improvement then we can talk about moving on from Reke but give him time

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I agree the team struggles as a whole. But Evans struggles more then anyone else so far. Let me ask this, how would you effectively use Evans while maintaining others players usage and efficiency?

My problem with Demps is he has no idea of how to build a team. He does not know the value of a first rd pick, cap space or players. He creates holes and has to use assets to fill them. He gives huge contracts to players who don't fit. He's constantly trying to fix his own mistakes. He has been making bad decisions since drafting Anthony Davis, rushing the process.

Take away every Demps trade since getting Anthony Davis and we are in a better place than we are today.

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My problem with Demps is he has no idea of how to build a team. He does not know the value of a first rd pick, cap space or players. He creates holes and has to use assets to fill them. He gives huge contracts to players who don't fit. He's constantly trying to fix his own mistakes. He has been making bad decisions since drafting Anthony Davis, rushing the process.

Take away every Demps trade since getting Anthony Davis and we are in a better place than we are today.

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I sadly agree.

We traded for Holiday and signed Reke when Teague was available. A lot of people on this board really wanted him. Me included. Even this summer we probably needed Isaih Thomas's playmaking as much or more than we needed Asik. I think Jrue can be a winning player but he needs another lead guard Phoenix Suns style. I actually like Gordon next to someone like Rondo. Bad fit for Jrue though. Tyreke has been a big part of our losses recently. He needs to learn to draw fouls on his drives. Since I don't know if he'll ever make a layup. He just is way too inefficient to be a starter right now. And he gets lost offball defensively.

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We traded for Holiday and signed Reke when Teague was available. A lot of people on this board really wanted him. Me included. Even this summer we probably needed Isaih Thomas's playmaking as much or more than we needed Asik. I think Jrue can be a winning player but he needs another lead guard Phoenix Suns style. I actually like Gordon next to someone like Rondo. Bad fit for Jrue though. Tyreke has been a big part of our losses recently. He needs to learn to draw fouls on his drives. Since I don't know if he'll ever make a layup. He just is way too inefficient to be a starter right now. And he gets lost offball defensively.

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Thats a very good and overlooked point. Although Teague was a RFA, Atlanta probably would not have matched if we offered that same amount we are paying for Jrue or even a little less. And it would of come without having to give up two first round picks.

Still, I can understand to an extent Demps taking the offer on the table for Jrue instead of risking that we wouldn't be able to sign someone like Teague after the draft.

Imagine having anything bettet to do than write a thread complaining about results in the early parts of building a team as if your life depended on it but it turned out it was just a game.

Lately there have been some really awful posts on this forum.

This is one of them.

Also, shouldn't pejoratives such as cancer also be covered and banned under the no profanity board rules?

People really don't like the idea of questioning Demps. They call your posts awful and laugh at you if you do so. I don't get it.

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I don't agree with everything op said BUT, we are a team that is cap strapped, no 1st rd picks, below .500 and not looking good at all. We see no progression from anyone on our roster outside of AD. Sorry, but this team is in complete shambles imo. I honestly feel we are in need of a new fresh start from up top. I've been a very big MONTY critic in the past BUT I'm not sure he has had a fair shake with wht dell has given him to work with. There just isn't much positives goin on outside of AD. Just how it is right now. Btw I still like the holiday trade too. I'd really like to keep a core 3 of holiday, Davis, and Asik. The rest can go.

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Good post bro

Here's Tyreke in a nutshell from my point-of-view. When he was "awesome", there was no EG, Ryno, or Jrue. He was able to be ball dominate and have AD clean up his mess. Sorta like in SacTown with Boogie. Now The team is compete with all the parts Dell envisioned and it is quite obvious that Reke does not play well with others. When he had the ball in his hands, EG basically wasn't involved (Jrue is partly to blame also). Every possession became a 1-on-1 situation and guys were basically trying to get theirs. Monty takes the ball out of Reke's hands and Jrue poink point and low and behold, EG gets involved, ball movement got better, and there was some sense of gelling starting. That also started Reke's bad play. No doubt Reke will get you stats but it's always at the expense of his teammates. See AD's no touches in the 4th.

imagine a GM taking Rivers over

Terrance Ross
Terrance Jones
Moe Harkless
Perry Jones
Draymond Green
Evan Fournier
Tony Wroten
Kris Middleton

It's amazing how people use Evans as a scapegoat on this board (Just like Robin Lopez before he left). He's damned if he goes for 30 points 8 rebs and 8 assists because he will be shooting to much and he's heaven forbid if he has an off night last yesterday then he's a freakin cancer. I feel like even Jrue gets this from time to time here if he scores over 20 points in a lost. What do you want from him?!?! He's the best ball handler that we have so he's going to have the ball in his hand. However, there are two problems. 1.) He needs to do a better job of finishing at the rim like what he did in the second half of last season. 2.) We need to actually run plays when he has the ball instead of him or ever Jrue in an iso then when they lose the dribble they just pass it to AD. A pick and roll play between AD and Evans would be ideal but that's on Monty. Give the guy a break it's a young team and it's early in the season. They will figure things out. Like it or not he's the second or third best player on our team so he's going to have to shot the ball from time to time unless you want Rivers throwing up air balls all day.

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Thats not really a full picture of Evans though, at least you understand that. Thats a couple data points that miss the bigger picture. He is currently 0-11 from 3 over the last 5 games. 34.7% from the field. He is missing lay ups consistently, killing ball movement, has low BBIQ, limited in the PnRl due to poor jump shooting, struggles to play within the system and has been overall bad defensively.

The issue is whether Evans benefits outweigh his costs. And they don't IMO. Evans cost us 5 million in cap space, our starting center, our back up PG, 11 million on the books til 17/18 and created a hole at SF and Center in the process of his acquisition.


I agree the team struggles as a whole. But Evans struggles more then anyone else so far. Let me ask this, how would you effectively use Evans while maintaining others players usage and efficiency?

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I def agree that Evans has his flaws. But IMO we have waaay more pressing needs that are destroying this team than Reke's play. We have 0 depth, and literally a deadweight contract because EG cant ever stay on the floor. Why complain about some one who is actually productive for us every now and then than a bench who has never done anything and 15 million dollars we are literally throwing out of the window.

At the end of the day Tyreke is a part of this team. You have to take the good with the bad. We can't change what Tyreke isnt good at so you have to play to his strengths. Look at how well Reke played with Morrow. Dell tried to go out and surround him with shooters signing Jimmer and Salmons but obviously both of those have been busts. But what was he supposed to do. At the moment we are cash strapped. He had minimal options in front of him. As soon as we can get rid of EJ's contract we can bring in the wing player and the bench players that can complete this team.

We have to remember this is no where close to the finished product, I think people tend to forget that.

OP post Tyreke's TS at 46% as a negative.
OP post we traded Ariza for nothing and he was good.
BSH goes to look at Ariza's 3% higher TS Ariza posted in his last year with us.
BSH post this.

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imagine a GM taking Rivers over

Terrance Ross
Terrance Jones
Moe Harkless
Perry Jones
Draymond Green
Evan Fournier
Tony Wroten
Kris Middleton

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Imagine a GM being able to look into the future during the draft and be able to use that information as a a reason to draft a player.

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