I think rivers may be traded soon. Tell me why he wouldn't be. I can't see a reason for not trading him.
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I think rivers may be traded soon. Tell me why he wouldn't be. I can't see a reason for not trading him.
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What do you think we could get for him exactly? And no I do NOT think we'll trade him.
He has no value to get amy thing in return.
I haven't seen Rivers play this preseason (and as we all know, preseason tells you everything that you need to know about a player) but I think Rivers will come into his own in this his 3rd year. It has to. If there is one thing he can really get from having Jimmer on the team it's that shoulder to lean on in terms of one rookie bust telling another rookie bust how to get through things (and I am not saying that in a negative way). I think those two guys can feed off of each other and really push each other to do well for themselves. I am not ready to get rid of Rivers until the deadline where he will show that he is or he isn't worth taking into the playoffs.
We could trade him since 2 seasons, but we didn't do that.
He had 2 seasons time develop into a better basketball player .
Now it's his time to prove his doubters wrong.
So the FO had much patience with him.
To trade him now, would be a fault.
Let him play his third season and decide then.
And his trade value isn't that high.
I don't think anyone would want a bad contract or locker room cancer in return.
We jumped through hoops not to trade him just this past summer
Rivers won't be traded soon. It would make absolutely no sense. Only chance he gets traded is if he blows up this season and we picked up his option so we could use him as a big trade chip.
Like MM said in the most recent podcast a 30% increase Overall by Rivers this year would be great and not out of the realm of possibility. Just for reference if all his stats increased just by 10% he'd shoot 46% for 2, 40% from 3, 70% from the line. Her give you 3 assists, and just over 2 rebounds, and 12 pts in just under 20 minutes a game. Combined with his defense? I take that in a heart beat.
People - NOTHING is different than it was before three meaningless preseason games. I know the point of message boards is to overreact to the most recent thing rather than seeing the big picture. But they were meaningless games held after 3 or 4 training camp practices. Those games are not going to impact Dell's thinking one bit. And Dell wasn't going to trade him prior to the preseason starting, so why will that change because of three glorified pick up games?
no reason to sell low on a young guy. don't see it happening
this, plus monty noting several times that he likes consistency last time. the past two seasons they've gotten pieces moved during training camp or guys couldn't participate. to get this team to gel, the current roster needs to stay put for at least a few months
i don't know what the fuss is about. he improved last year than the year before. From what i've read he's put in a lot of time in expanding his game. I have high hopes for the kid and i think he'll do well this year off them bench. even though its preseason, he's had good chemistry with Jimmer.
Because none of have any idea what we could get for Rivers and predicting we will trade him would be nothing more than a guess.
Let me get this straight. You start a thread saying you think Rivers will be traded, pure speculation on your part. And then ask for us to tell you why he wouldn't be? Maybe first give us some more info on why Rivers will be traded more than just you think so and then we can respond to that.
Jimmer played Rivers off the team. Time to build the team around him
Would you trade for him based upon this pitiful preseason he had? I know the games are meaningless but i still they these games scream "this kid can't shoot". Horrible free throw shooter, still can't get to the rim and finish.
Austin Rivers is currently shooting 33% from the field, 31% from 3, and 53% from the line. No player in the history of the NBA from the time the 3 point line was established has ever shot at or below those numbers while playing in over 40 games and over 20 minutes a game.
If you take out the foul shooting numbers, then there are 6 players who have shot 33/31 from the field in NBA history, with Rivers coming in last in win shares.
If you take out the minutes qualification then 73 players have shot 33/31, with Rivers coming in last in win shares.
We are witnessing history in the making guys. Where Amazing Happens.
WOULD YOU TRADE FOR THAT????
No, it's an old article but he hasn't improved much from those numbers. So when people say he's improved, well it would be impossible not to improve on those stats and still be in the league.
Last year he shot 40.5% from the field, not good but not one of the worst in the league either. 36.4% from 3, that's pretty darn good. Finally 63.6% from the line. Not great for a guard, would like to see him get above 70%, but it's not horrible. So again, I don't know where you are getting those numbers from or even what year those numbers are from, but he's significantly improved them.
I think 40.5% from the field is good for 121st in the league. 63.6 FT is good for 118. For a guard, pitiful, beyond horrible for an NBA player.
36.4 good for 79th, not pretty darn good at all. Below average for a shooting guard.
Numbers are from a Seiko Smith article. There is also a peachbasket.net article that claims his rookie year to be the worst in NBA rookie history. Pretty bad.
Just saying nobody is lining up to trade for that production.
I agree with your point, but 64% from the line is, in fact, horrible for a guard. :hihi:
I'm not trying to analyze him, i'm just responding to the thread of him being traded. I really do not see anyone wanting to trade anything for him. His production has been way below average for anyone in the nba much less for a player picked 10th overall. His numbers are at all time low for NBA production, and they have barely improved. What GM is sitting in his office and saying i want to trade for that, what fan base would be happy that their GM traded anything for him?
Not sure about that, if your defending his play you must believe he has trade value because a young player with no trade value has to be a pretty pathetic player.
No, I defend Rivers all the time but don't think he had any trade value. I like his defense, his ability to get to the rim and his spot-up 3 (which was top 5 in the league last season).
I have hopes that he will become average at the rim and free-throws. Combined with what I said above, that could make him a nice rotation player in the future.
But it is fair (and accurate) to say that he has no trade value right now.
Let's get through some regular season games before saying we should trade him, right? lol
He said he only wants to play one position. Which one is it?
I want to thank you sir for speaking truth about a fan favorite player who's ceiling is probably an average player journeyman. People mistake hate with someone expressing an opinion. Rivers' was historically bad year one. He had no choice but to be better in year two. People are acting like he's about to explode on the league when it's simply not true. His spot up 3 is good. OK, I'll give him that. Let's talk about all the other shots on the court that he sucks at. His defense isn't bad but nowhere near as good as people make it out to be. I will never understand the Rivers' love. Maybe it's his work ethic that people like.
Let me show you the list of players who shot worse than Rivers last year:
Landry Fields, Rajan Rondo, Jerryd Bayless, Francisco Garcia, Aaron Brooks, Alan Anderso, Harrison Barnes, Travis Outlaw, Jimmy Butler, Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, Raymond Felton, Chase Budinger, Kemba Walker I could keep going. A lot of those names have been mentioned on here as guys that people want to trade for.
3pt percentages, if you judge him as a SG he ranked 44th out of 108, if you see him as a PG he was 31 out of 100.
I know what the peachbasket.net article said but I like to think for myself. Look at Rivers Rookie year and Anthony Bennett's and tell me which one was worse. Bennett was the #1 overall pick.
Who was defending his play? You said "it's an old article but he hasn't improved much from those numbers."
I was pointing out how that is incorrect, because he definitely improved from the numbers you gave. Never once said that I would not trade him because that's just false. Go back at look at the threads around draft. I was excited at the rumors that had us potentially getting #17 or #22 from Boston or or something like that.
I didn't compare them because you can't compare a SG to a PF, but your point was that so and so article said Rivers "rookie year to be the worst in NBA rookie history. Pretty bad." Clearly that's not the case if you take a look at Bennett.
That's fine, just don't tell me he shot 31% from the field and 53% from the line and "didn't improve much from those numbers".
As long as you admit that the following players and many more are on a level that's absolutely terrible then sure we can make that calrification: Landry Fields, Rajan Rondo, Jerryd Bayless, Francisco Garcia, Aaron Brooks, Alan Anderso, Harrison Barnes, Travis Outlaw, Jimmy Butler, Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, Raymond Felton, Chase Budinger, Kemba Walker.
Sure, but many of those players do other things on the court that Rivers cannot do. They bring different aspects to help a team win the Rivers does not. Most players on that list are absolutely horrible but some help their team in other ways the Rivers never will. But save for a couple of players on that list i would not want any of them.
I doubt it because right now from what i have observed as a season ticket holder since 2002 is i do not think he brings anything special. Anything he may bring it being far outweighed by all of his negatives at this point. His defense is no where near as good as people on the board portray it to be and his offense ineptness is far outweighing any defensive positives. So in sum, to me he brings absolutely nothing special. Rivers is no Rondo, never will be. Will never help a team the way Rondo does. To me, he doesn't compare at all with Jimmy Butler. Does not have Kemba Walkers leadership or quickness. Those are the only three players i think are decent on that list. The rest not worth commenting on.