What happens with Jameer Nelson? He still has a lot left to give, and has had a solid career so far. Throw in his more than favorable contract, I wonder what will happen with this guy.
If Trey Burke goes to Orl..
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05-26-2013, 05:29 PMUNO GraciasIf Trey Burke goes to Orl..
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05-26-2013, 05:36 PMPsalm 102.6
You bring up a pretty good point.
While at 31, Nelson may be on the wrong side of the NBA age calendar, he's still playing at a fairly respectable level and is signed to a pretty cap friendly contract.
I'm pretty sure Orlando will go with Burke, if for no reason other than to get younger, and will dangle Nelson in trade talks. He wouldn't be a horrible option for the teams who lose out on the CP3 sweeps, and for those that don't want to get in a bidding war and risk overpaying Brandon Jennings. -
05-26-2013, 06:09 PMBallSoHard
I'd laugh pretty hard if Burke went 2.
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05-26-2013, 06:16 PMjsl05
If Trey Burke goes to Orl..
...I'd be ecstatic because that would mean that we'd have a better chance at one of the big 4. We would only need Anthony Bennett, C.J. McCollum, or someone else to jump into the top 5 which is a good possibility. -
05-26-2013, 06:19 PMPelican589
Not sure why anyone would want Nelson and his $8.6 million contract next year, especially for the Pelicans if that is what anyone is suggesting. He's good for 65 games if you're lucky and he's never really had any eye popping seasons. Orlando would be dumb to pass on Burke, but I still think they go McLemore.
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05-26-2013, 06:27 PMwuggie
Nelson would be a great vet on a contender he's, underrated in that regard because he can be a productive vet that will bring you some points consistently with leadership too add, sort of like Jack with GS.
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05-26-2013, 06:31 PMPurple Haze
I'd be very nervous. PHX likely takes Dipo and Porter will be gone. Man O man.
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05-26-2013, 06:51 PMRUFshreveThen hopefully that means Mclemore falls to us.Quote:
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05-26-2013, 06:53 PMPurple HazeSeems like a pipe dream but maybe just maybe...Quote:
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05-26-2013, 06:58 PMRUFshreveMy top 4 prospects are:Quote:
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1.Burke
2.Porter
3.McLemore
4.Oladipo
I really expect one of them to fall to us, and luckily, I think Burke is the most likely. -
05-26-2013, 06:58 PMPelsFan2313
McLemore seems like the better fit in Charlotte over Oladipo. I'd imagine if McLemore, Oladipo, and Porter all fell to the fourth pick, Charlotte would take McLemore, Phoenix would take Oladipo, and New Orleans would be left with Porter.
Burke going second is fine, as long as Bennett is also taken before us. -
05-26-2013, 07:02 PMPurple HazeYes indeed. Bennett or Len will get taken top 5.Quote:
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05-26-2013, 07:06 PMUNO Gracias
I wonder if Orlando will keep Nelson on the books or trade him. He is too good to be a backup, and doesn't have the championship pedigree like Billups to do what Billups is doing in LA.
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05-26-2013, 07:08 PMjsl05
I have Burke as my #4 PG prospect behind Schroeder, Carter-Williams, and McCollum.
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05-26-2013, 07:11 PMRUFshreve:hihi:Quote:
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05-26-2013, 07:14 PMPurple HazeYou're the spitting image of daThrone on Davis before last draft. :hihi:Quote:
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05-26-2013, 07:15 PMRUFshreveI would expect them to keep him atleast until the trade deadline to help mentor Trey with the contract he's on. He gives you a solid veteran presence. Depending on Burkes play at that point, they could trade him if they feel Burke is ready to start and lead the team full time.Quote:
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05-26-2013, 07:17 PMjsl05Major difference: Davis was the consensus #1; Burke is a consensus nothing. Some have MCW above him, and McCollum isn't far behind.Quote:
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05-26-2013, 07:23 PMUNO Gracias
Who has MCW above Burke, and why?
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05-26-2013, 07:25 PMPelican589I haven't seen any mock drafts that have Carter-Williams or anyone else at PG for that matter going ahead of Burke...for what it's worth.Quote:
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05-26-2013, 07:29 PMda ThRONeThere's nothing wrong with having a unique opinion. So you don't need to justify anything.Quote:
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05-26-2013, 07:30 PMjsl05
I'm not saying I've seen mock drafts; I'm just talking about big boards. HoopsWorld, HoopsAnalyst, and David Bauman have him ranked over Burke I believe.
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05-26-2013, 07:34 PMPurple HazeI love CJ and wouldn't bat an eyelash if Dell took him at 6. I might actually put him above Burke on my big board a well. Kid has a universe of upside.Quote:
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05-26-2013, 07:35 PMGray Biscuits
#2 is a little high for Orlando to pick Burke. They may want to trade down to #6 to take Burke. In that case we could take McLemore at #2 and separately trade Gordon for a SF.
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05-26-2013, 07:35 PMjsl05
I listened to the recent LockedOnJazz Podcast which featured Chad Ford yesterday. When asked what Ford has noticed that produces more hits than misses, he responded that most of the players that succeed have either "elite size for his position" or "elite athleticism."
Schroeder-athleticism
Carter Williams-size and athleticism
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05-26-2013, 07:36 PMEman5805
So stoked. THis month needs to get on with itself.
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05-26-2013, 07:49 PMPelican589I see that now. I still think I'd take Burke higher based on his big game experience though.Quote:
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05-26-2013, 07:56 PMUNO Gracias
I would make a play for Jameer Nelson if he is available. Pass on MCW and those other pg's and take a big. Let Jameer and GV battle it out, and stay in great position financially with a solid set of pg's.
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05-26-2013, 07:58 PMBallSoHardSure you do. You should have solid reasoning on why you think a certain way if you're throwing your opinion out there.Quote:
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05-26-2013, 08:02 PMjsl05Just as you should if your opinion is not uniqueQuote:
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05-26-2013, 08:08 PMPurple HazeBut a good long term plan? I don't think so.Quote:
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05-26-2013, 08:08 PMBallSoHardAgree'd. Groupthink is not reasoning.Quote:
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05-26-2013, 09:01 PMUNO GraciasGood long term plan? No. Were we going anywhere next year? Nope. MCW isn't going to take you anywhere, if Smart had come out, and McCullum wasn't hurt, MCW wouldn't be but the 4th best option at the pg spot. Take a chance on Jameer and let he and GV battle it out, let Rivers and Gordon battle it out (if you consider two retards trying to screw a doorknob a battle), and let Lopez and Len battle it out. It solves the problem of what to do with Lopez and GV (keeping them and giving them competition to prove last season wasnt some one in a lifetime stuff).Quote:
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05-26-2013, 09:12 PMPsalm 102.6I'll be the first to admit, I've not seen all the mocks out there, but in the majority of the ones I've found; Burke is the first guard off the board, with McCollum and MCW alternating on who the second guard off the board is. One had Dennis Schroder (sic) go before Carter-Williams and after CJM but all had Burke the first PG gone.Quote:
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05-26-2013, 09:25 PMjsl05What I'm saying is that Davis was looked at as a franchise-changer and was clearly the #1 overall player. Burke is the first PG off the board in practically every mock, but I have seen big boards (as noted in a previous comment) with MCW ahead of Burke.Quote:
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05-26-2013, 09:45 PMGray Biscuits
Nelson and Burke probably split time in Burke's rookie year like DJ and Kemba did in Kemba's rookie season.
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05-26-2013, 10:29 PMtdcreator
Would anyone consider Harkless and Nelson for Gordon? That looks like a win win if they really want Burke.
If that happened you have to get McLemore or Oladipo. Probably too young for Montys liking but I like a lot.
Rivers, Nelson
McLemore/Olidipo, Miller
Harkless, Aminu, Miller
Davis, Ryno
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05-26-2013, 10:36 PMEmilioI wouldn't because I'm not high on Nelson. Isn't he signed to a long deal? Plus, he's old. And where's Vazquez?Quote:
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05-26-2013, 10:55 PMPurple HazeIt clearly wasn't a direct comparison dude. :hihi:Quote:
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05-27-2013, 09:15 AMtdcreator
I'd probably ask for more I like the trade. Nelson has 2 years left at 8 mil a year and maybe we throw in Vasquez and they give us a conditional pick.
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05-27-2013, 09:42 AMsleepingbunch
Wow. I'm watching video on this kid Schroeder, and he could be the real deal in a few years. He is raw but has all the tools.
That being said, I would be surprised if Burke was not a top 10 NBA PG in 2 or 3 seasons. He has intangibles and leadership, is a great distributor and scorer, and is a solid enough athlete to be successful. (he's nowhere near as bad as Vasquez athletically).
McCullom screams 6th man/tweener to me, like a future Jason Terry maybe. I like the kid, but don't know if he's a starting NBA PG.
MCW can't score and isn't consistently a great decision maker on offense. He will be a great defensive PG, and could be a phenomenal role player, but his offensive game is extremely raw and will take lots of time. -
05-27-2013, 09:44 AMda ThRONeI was talking about justifying his right to having a unique opinion. He has on many occasions explained why he doesn't Burke as a prospect.Quote:
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