Vasquez Gatorade commercial in Venezuela

Kind of surprised more stuff like this hasn't already come out, he's apparently a superstar there.

Wow good for him!

I don't care what anyone on this board says. I love Vasquez. Any player that plays with the passion he plays with, is welcome on my team any day.

Very happy for him. He just wants to win and that's what I like about him. He plays with such passion. Just don't want him as our starting pg that's all. Lol

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Very happy for him. He just wants to win and that's what I like about him. He plays with such passion. Just don't want him as our starting of that's all. Lol

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I understand your feels. But I like I've told others on this board, until someone else proves that they're better, Vasquez is my starter.

BTW, good for Vasquez on the Gatorade commerical. Dude works hard.

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Very happy for him. He just wants to win and that's what I like about him. He plays with such passion. Just don't want him as our starting of that's all. Lol

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I think people need to realize he is a serviceable starting PG. Not one of the best, not one of the worst. Yea we could do better, but i'd rather upgrade the SF and C positions before me upgrade the PG position.

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I think people need to realize he is a serviceable starting PG. Not one of the best, not one of the worst. Yea we could do better, but i'd rather upgrade the SF and C positions before me upgrade the PG position.

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He is too much of a defensive liability. He doesn't have the court vision needed to maximize Davis skills. He dominates the ball way too much when he's on the court. He needs to learn to defer to the better players on the court with him. I'm pretty sure we will see the pg position upgraded either thru the draft or FA. Vasquez is a backup pg and a great one at that but nothing more. IMO.

Go hard Greivis.

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He is too much of a defensive liability. He doesn't have the court vision needed to maximize Davis skills. He dominates the ball way too much when he's on the court. He needs to learn to defer to the better players on the court with him. I'm pretty sure we will see the pg position upgraded either thru the draft or FA. Vasquez is a backup pg and a great one at that but nothing more. IMO.

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So considering all of the positions to upgrade on this team, Vasquez at PG is the one you want to replace the most??? You must really like Aminu at SF and the combination of Mason/Rivers backing up Gordon??? IMO, those guys were horrendous!

IMO, we are in serious need of a starting SF and backup SG. I'm not ready to give up on a 3rd year PG finishing his first full season as a starter. This reminds me of when everybody was so desperate to get rid of D-West because wasn't a great athlete. But the guy played with a high b-ball IQ and a lot of effort. You guys can keep those "Julian Wright/JuJu" type players.

I think people here are over thinking the situation and letting their felling take extreme visions. IMO there are 4 positions that need upgrade in the teem (C, SF, PG and back up SG). It is unlikely that we will have the opportunity to upgrade all of them, not only because of the money, but because of players availability and complexity of trade deals.

I don't think that Del and Monty are obsessed or fixated with upgrading one of these positions over the others. They will try and get the best upgrades they can put together, which means, that it is possible they would upgrade the other 3 position and Vasquez would be our starter, or it is possible that he will be traded, to upgrade PG. Ultimately as it has been said before there are different configurations that can make this teem a contender, some of them with Vasquez at PG and some without.

Which off these configurations we will get will be decided by the market opportunities available rather than the team management philosophy.

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So considering all of the positions to upgrade on this team, Vasquez at PG is the one you want to replace the most??? You must really like Aminu at SF and the combination of Mason/Rivers backing up Gordon??? IMO, those guys were horrendous!

IMO, we are in serious need of a starting SF and backup SG. I'm not ready to give up on a 3rd year PG finishing his first full season as a starter. This reminds me of when everybody was so desperate to get rid of D-West because wasn't a great athlete. But the guy played with a high b-ball IQ and a lot of effort. You guys can keep those "Julian Wright/JuJu" type players.

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Who wants Julian wright/juju type players? So if we go for a more athletic player u label him into that category?? Pg is the most important position on a team. If you have Poor pg play then the whole team suffers cause of it. Vasquez isnt going to all of sudden get faster on his feet. Comparing it to west is just wrong. You don't have to be fast and be off the charts athletically at the pf position. When u can't stay in front your man(pg) then it breaks the whole defense down. It gets other guys out of position and in tough spots. He gets blown by on the regular and our defense suffers because of it. I agree with you we need to upgrade the sf and c position also. I don't put center as high as either one of these tho. It's not like we are strapped to only upgrading 1 position of our choice. We have the draft and FA. Dell and Monty both have already said numerous times the pg position isn't being played how they envision it being played and will look to upgrade it.

I dont know why Dell and Monty showed their hand
when admitting they need to upgrade at PG.
I know its pretty much common knowledge but
this just lowers Vasqueze's trade value.

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I dont know why Dell and Monty showed their hand
when admitting they need to upgrade at PG.
I know its pretty much common knowledge but
this just lowers Vasqueze's trade value.

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They did no such thing.

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I don't care what anyone on this board says. I love Vasquez. Any player that plays with the passion he plays with, is welcome on my team any day.

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I hope nobody argues this point.

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I hope nobody argues this point.

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That's awesome. Just yesterday I was thinking that Vasquez would probably never get endorsement deals because he doesn't have that "it" factor. Yay for him :clap:

I don't know when pg became the most important position on the team, the Jazz didn't do a whole lot with Williams (and they had Boozer and Okure), the Lakers won with Fisher. I think what you need to say is that the pg needs to know his role. We aren't losing because of GV, much like we aren't winning in spite of GV, we are getting by as we search for better pieces.

First off, grats to Vasquez! I know he, his family, and his home country are real proud of him. Hoping he can find a long career in the NBA.

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Who wants Julian wright/juju type players? So if we go for a more athletic player u label him into that category?? Pg is the most important position on a team. If you have Poor pg play then the whole team suffers cause of it. Vasquez isnt going to all of sudden get faster on his feet. Comparing it to west is just wrong. You don't have to be fast and be off the charts athletically at the pf position. When u can't stay in front your man(pg) then it breaks the whole defense down. It gets other guys out of position and in tough spots. He gets blown by on the regular and our defense suffers because of it. I agree with you we need to upgrade the sf and c position also. I don't put center as high as either one of these tho. It's not like we are strapped to only upgrading 1 position of our choice. We have the draft and FA. Dell and Monty both have already said numerous times the pg position isn't being played how they envision it being played and will look to upgrade it.

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Eh, I disagree with the bolded. You only need competency at the lead guard position, nothing particularly great. A bad point can doom your team, but a great one isn't as valuable as a great big. Size still matters a heck of a lot.

Greivis does lack the defense needed but would be an acceptable starter on any team if he can get it up to a point that he can force his man into help while being a minor deterrent to give the help the time needed to rotate.

In general, you need two really great players that are capable of having the offense run through them with ball-handlers, shooters, and finishers filling the rest of the team out. The ball-handlers are needed to help break traps, shooters to space the floor, and finishers to receive the passes that the best players will occasionally give them.

Yea I should of went in further. I think it's the most important position that u have someone that is capable. In other words. If u have a cp3 type pg then u can mask the defiencency at other positions much easier. The pg is pretty much the general of the team. He is also the first line of defense on the defensive side of the ball. I think it's much easier to get by with a weak link at other positions more than the pg spot. Just my opinion tho.

Of course all this matters on the make up of that certain team. How it is put together. One team the pg position might be more important the next team and so forth. I think the pg position for the pelicans is def the more important position to get the wheels rolling. IMO. Miami has no size or dominant bigs. They are best team in the nba. That's why I say I guess it just matters on the make up of each team.

That's not true either. CP3 hasn't been playing with chopped liver in LA the last two seasons. CP3 might be one of the best pg's today but he is prof you can be the best at your craft with good talent around you, and it doesn't matter unless you have the right system to play them in. I love what CP3 did for us while he was here, but I would take a solid sf, or a better center before Inwent after a great pg.

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That's not true either. CP3 hasn't been playing with chopped liver in LA the last two seasons. CP3 might be one of the best pg's today but he is prof you can be the best at your craft with good talent around you, and it doesn't matter unless you have the right system to play them in. I love what CP3 did for us while he was here, but I would take a solid sf, or a better center before Inwent after a great pg.

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I'm assuming your responding to me saying I think pg is the more important position for the pelicans right? Reason I say this is cause with players such as aminu and Davis. You need a pg with good to great vision and passing abilites. Vazquez lacked in that area big time. I can't count how many times he missed both those guys goin to the basket. Like I've said before. I think this team could of won another 10 games with better pg play this year. I just think with the makeup of this team as it currently stands. The pg position is vital. I also wouldn't take a solid or a better anything over a great pg. give me the great player every time regardless of position.

But the makeup of this team is going to change (lucky for all of us). We could get lucky and see somebody beat out GV, and we could see an upgrade at sf or sg. This really is an exciting time for this team, but I wouldn't blow my load on a pg when an upgrade won't cost as much, and I really could use more scorers to push me higher than where I am now.

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But the makeup of this team is going to change (lucky for all of us). We could get lucky and see somebody beat out GV, and we could see an upgrade at sf or sg. This really is an exciting time for this team, but I wouldn't blow my load on a pg when an upgrade won't cost as much, and I really could use more scorers to push me higher than where I am now.

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For sure

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You need a pg with good to great vision and passing abilites. Vazquez lacked in that area big time. I can't count how many times he missed both those guys goin to the basket.

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smh :thmbdown::banghead:

Vasquez had the most assists in the league this year and we are going to talk about how bad his court vision is? It may not be the best but dont act like he can only see out of one eye.

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Vasquez had the most assists in the league this year and we are going to talk about how bad his court vision is? It may not be the best but dont act like he can only see out of one eye.

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Sorry but his assist per game do not tell the story. He gets many assist by passing to an open Ryno for 3. A pass that you and I both could make. This system is an assist friendly system for a ball dominant pg. Collison Was in the top 5 in the nba in assist per game in this same system.

I hope we can all agree that Vasquez puts in the most effort possible and we all appreciate it as fans. The effort and dedication that Vasquez displays is why a lot of us including myself want Vasquez to be successful and to be successful here, because that type of work effort can only be good for a locker room. That being said he simply is not fast enough to help maximize the potential of Davis and to guard the other top pgs in the league come playoff time. I hear a lot that teams such as the lakers won without great pgs, but those pgs knew specially what was expected of him and how to get the best out of the rest of the team. I do not believe Vasquez is not quick enough to run with Davis or the vision to find the cuts and creases that simply only a few guards can do. I wish the best of luck to Vasquez and if he turns out to be our starting point guard then I will be his biggest supporter. Until then in Dell we Trust.

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I hope we can all agree that Vasquez puts in the most effort possible and we all appreciate it as fans. The effort and dedication that Vasquez displays is why a lot of us including myself want Vasquez to be successful and to be successful here, because that type of work effort can only be good for a locker room. That being said he simply is not fast enough to help maximize the potential of Davis and to guard the other top pgs in the league come playoff time. I hear a lot that teams such as the lakers won without great pgs, but those pgs knew specially what was expected of him and how to get the best out of the rest of the team. I do not believe Vasquez is not quick enough to run with Davis or the vision to find the cuts and creases that simply only a few guards can do. I wish the best of luck to Vasquez and if he turns out to be our starting point guard then I will be his biggest supporter. Until then in Dell we Trust.

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Well said and I'll always root for Vasquez no matter where he winds up. Just pointing his flaws out that can and will hold a team back. His vision isn't bad. But it's only average at best. He can actually improve on something like that. His speed is what he can't change which is below avg. I wish him well tho and hope the best for him whether it's here or there.

If it's such an assist-friendly system then what are you complaining about? We can just stick Terrell Harris there then. :shakehd:. When he makes an assist, it's a hockey assist. When he makes a difficult pass, yall say he tries too hard. Well, he has played more conservative because that is what Monty wanted. Monty has talked about telling guys not to go for the home run plays. Can't blame him. I guess he just wants these guys to focus on putting the ball in the hoop first.

Anyways, Vasquez's turnovers went down as a result. When you make risky passes, you increase your chance of a turnover. Then yall will be in here talking about his high turnovers again. There aint that many guys available who will give you 12 or however many assists yall would rather see night in and not out with 3 or less turnovers. The great pg's are all taken. Bledsoe is a backup. Burke is tbd. And I like how Vasquez was the reason for all the losses on a team whose best player was a rookie and the second best player was a streaky 3-point specialist coming off the bench.


P/s :coach: And let the man have a positive thread for once. Were the 82 game threads of Vasquez-bashing not enough?

Sometimes I dream... that he is me.

Like Greivis... if I could be like Greivis.

It always comes down to the same things, when we'll have chris paul or burke *ironic* passing to an open rhyno, people here will say "AW, **** WHAT A BEAAUUUUUUTIFUL PASS, NAHMEAN?!" *shrugs*

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If it's such an assist-friendly system then what are you complaining about? We can just stick Terrell Harris there then. :shakehd:. When he makes an assist, it's a hockey assist. When he makes a difficult pass, yall say he tries too hard. Well, he has played more conservative because that is what Monty wanted. Monty has talked about telling guys not to go for the home run plays. Can't blame him. I guess he just wants these guys to focus on putting the ball in the hoop first.

Anyways, Vasquez's turnovers went down as a result. When you make risky passes, you increase your chance of a turnover. Then yall will be in here talking about his high turnovers again. There aint that many guys available who will give you 12 or however many assists yall would rather see night in and not out with 3 or less turnovers. The great pg's are all taken. Bledsoe is a backup. Burke is tbd. And I like how Vasquez was the reason for all the losses on a team whose best player was a rookie and the second best player was a streaky 3-point specialist coming off the bench.


P/s :coach: And let the man have a positive thread for once. Were the 82 game threads of Vasquez-bashing not enough?

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No but we can plug Brian Roberts in there and still get those same assist but have a guy that can stay in front his man on defense. Your right tho. Let this be a positive thread for him. No need to discuss all this. It's about his endorsement deal. I've already congratulated him and I wish him well.

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If it's such an assist-friendly system then what are you complaining about? We can just stick Terrell Harris there then. :shakehd:. When he makes an assist, it's a hockey assist. When he makes a difficult pass, yall say he tries too hard. Well, he has played more conservative because that is what Monty wanted. Monty has talked about telling guys not to go for the home run plays. Can't blame him. I guess he just wants these guys to focus on putting the ball in the hoop first.

Anyways, Vasquez's turnovers went down as a result. When you make risky passes, you increase your chance of a turnover. Then yall will be in here talking about his high turnovers again. There aint that many guys available who will give you 12 or however many assists yall would rather see night in and not out with 3 or less turnovers. The great pg's are all taken. Bledsoe is a backup. Burke is tbd. And I like how Vasquez was the reason for all the losses on a team whose best player was a rookie and the second best player was a streaky 3-point specialist coming off the bench.


P/s :coach: And let the man have a positive thread for once. Were the 82 game threads of Vasquez-bashing not enough?

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Finally, a voice of reason. I just don't understand the logic of people on this board. It's like they're reaching deep for negative reasons to get rid of Vasquez. But for God's sake, don't say anything bad about Rivers.

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Who wants Julian wright/juju type players? So if we go for a more athletic player u label him into that category?? Pg is the most important position on a team. If you have Poor pg play then the whole team suffers cause of it. Vasquez isnt going to all of sudden get faster on his feet. Comparing it to west is just wrong. You don't have to be fast and be off the charts athletically at the pf position. When u can't stay in front your man(pg) then it breaks the whole defense down. It gets other guys out of position and in tough spots. He gets blown by on the regular and our defense suffers because of it. I agree with you we need to upgrade the sf and c position also. I don't put center as high as either one of these tho. It's not like we are strapped to only upgrading 1 position of our choice. We have the draft and FA. Dell and Monty both have already said numerous times the pg position isn't being played how they envision it being played and will look to upgrade it.

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I don't understand your logic. I swear you guys are making this stuff up. What statisical facts say that Vasquez was a "poor pg"??? And what does it say about the opposing pgs that he average 13 and 10 on? Should they be replaced too??? The Hornets/Pelicans defense was ranked in middle of the league and Vasquez offensive statisics were pretty good for a young pg like him. Good enough to considered for comeback player of the year. And my reference to JuJu was based on everyone's call for a so called super athletic and super fast PG. I didn't think Vasquez was bad in staying in front of his man but I also didn't think it was spectualuator either. He's 3 years out of college. What do you expect? Besides, Dell and Monty weren't talking about improving the starting pg. They were talking about the backup pg position. Roberts and Rivers were horrible. Vasquez was playing 40 minutes a game and as soon as Rivers or Roberts came in, it was a huge drop off.

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No but we can plug Brian Roberts in there and still get those same assist but have a guy that can stay in front his man on defense. Your right tho. Let this be a positive thread for him. No need to discuss all this. It's about his endorsement deal. I've already congratulated him and I wish him well.

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No... you can't.

You can't simply plug in 4'10" Roberts to just dribble around on offense and get overpowered by PGs on D. Greivis might not be the quickest, but he's WAY better than Roberts at PG. I like Roberts, but the whole plug n' play argument is just dumb.

Since when is 6'1" the same as 4'10" ? the average PG height in 2011 was 6'1".


You took 15" off the poor man. That's like me saying Dwight is 5'7"

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I don't understand your logic. I swear you guys are making this stuff up. What statisical facts say that Vasquez was a "poor pg"??? And what does it say about the opposing pgs that he average 13 and 10 on? Should they be replaced too??? The Hornets/Pelicans defense was ranked in middle of the league and Vasquez offensive statisics were pretty good for a young pg like him. Good enough to considered for comeback player of the year. And my reference to JuJu was based on everyone's call for a so called super athletic and super fast PG. I didn't think Vasquez was bad in staying in front of his man but I also didn't think it was spectualuator either. He's 3 years out of college. What do you expect? Besides, Dell and Monty weren't talking about improving the starting pg. They were talking about the backup pg position. Roberts and Rivers were horrible. Vasquez was playing 40 minutes a game and as soon as Rivers or Roberts came in, it was a huge drop off.

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when Roberts got some starts later in the season he got like 15-17 assist in his first game and he played very good in those starts. He is much quicker than Vasquez. Your right he wasn't bad at staying in front his man. He was atrocious at it.

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No... you can't.

You can't simply plug in 4'10" Roberts to just dribble around on offense and get overpowered by PGs on D. Greivis might not be the quickest, but he's WAY better than Roberts at PG. I like Roberts, but the whole plug n' play argument is just dumb.

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Roberts is 6'1 so not sure what your talking about. Roberts progressed really nice through the season. He had some very good games down the stretch when he got the start. Roberts solidified his spot on this roster I believe. I think he will be our 2nd unit pg IF we get a new pg. we can go back n forth all day. It all really comes down to this. I don't see us being a SERIOUS contender with Vasquez being our starting pg. not gonna happen. I want our team to be a contender so yes I will point out the weak spots. Not sure why a select few get so upset about Vasquez being called slow and an avg to below avg pg. he is better suited to be the man on a 2nd unit. It is what it is.

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when Roberts got some starts later in the season he got like 15-17 assist in his first game and he played very good in those starts. He is much quicker than Vasquez. Your right he wasn't bad at staying in front his man. He was atrocious at it.

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I give up. No facts... No logic.. No sense...

Love his fire. Wouldn't want to play against him Vasquez is a gamer

No one is upset, but I disagree with your saying he is a bad passer and selfish player and the sentiment that you can plug and play any average Joe like yourself into the system and he would become an assist leader. I think you may have just started following this team or something. Anyone who watched the team last season saw Vasquez's passing abilities even without Ryan Anderson on the team. Goose and him were a beautiful tandem. We were around here joking about them being Crescent City Connection Part II (of course in all fun).

To go back to the assist-friendly system, Roberts was a small sample size and a bandwagon people jumped on too soon from one game. I mean everybody was hitting in that game. Just to put things in perspective, Jarrett Jack is way faster than Vasquez and plays better defense. Yet he did not become an assist leader in this same "assist-friendly" system. He never won Western Conference Player of the Week. Last season, Monty found himself compromising between Jack's speed and scoring and Vasquez's ability to get his teammates more involved. And to be clear, I am not trying to argue one point guard is better than the other, and I understand the different rosters. But the system isn't as assist-friendly as you're trying to make it.

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No one is upset, but I disagree with your saying he is a bad passer and selfish player and the sentiment that you can plug and play any average Joe like yourself into the system and he would become an assist leader. I think you may have just started following this team or something. Anyone who watched the team last season saw Vasquez's passing abilities even without Ryan Anderson on the team. Goose and him were a beautiful tandem. We were around here joking about them being Crescent City Connection Part II (of course in all fun).

To go back to the assist-friendly system, Roberts was a small sample size and a bandwagon people jumped on too soon from one game. I mean everybody was hitting in that game. Just to put things in perspective, Jarrett Jack is way faster than Vasquez and plays better defense. Yet he did not become an assist leader in this same "assist-friendly" system. He never won Western Conference Player of the Week. Last season, Monty found himself compromising between Jack's speed and scoring and Vasquez's ability to get his teammates more involved. And to be clear, I am not trying to argue one point guard is better than the other, and I understand the different rosters. But the system isn't as assist-friendly as you're trying to make it.

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No I've been following this team since it came to new Orleans. I'm not no bandwagon fan lol. I'm a new Orleans boy raised my whole life here. I'm not meaning to put the guy down n say he's horrible but he has many flaws. He has a hard time passing the guy open. Understand what I mean by that? I'm sure u do. All I'm saying is Vasquez got many assist by passing to an open Ryno who knocks down the 3. Nothing special about that. Are u saying Roberts didn't come in toward the end of the season when he got his 1st start n got like 15+ assist in that game. He excelled in those games he started in. Do I want Roberts to be our starter? No..I don't want Vasquez either tho. Are u telling me u think we can be a SERIOUS contender with him running our team?? Not a 7-8 seed but a legit threat. I don't wanna argue or nothing but I just think we need an upgrade. I like the kid and love the fire he brings to the team. Gotta go my baby's being born now it's time!!!!!! Lol...talk later!!! Hahah

I don't mind keeping GV as long as we get a really good backup to match up with quicker guards.

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If we can surround with him supreme talent then I'd be ok with it too. I just want us to win a championship and don't think we can with him as our starting pg. That's all. Don't hate the dude or nothing. He attempted more shots than davis and just as many as Gordon and Anderson. That shouLdnt be happening. His turnovers actually went up from last year to this year by 1. If he could understand his role more and learn to defer to the better players throughout the game then he could be better. There is no reason he should be#1 in attempted shots on the team. Just shouldn't be. IMO..I think he tried to be the hero with the game on the line way too many times this year also. He attempted almost twice as many shots as last year in only 8-9 more min. His lack of quickness kills him in the steal department as well. He avg 0.9 steals a game the year before. He avg 10 more min played per game this year and his steals per game actually decreased. His passion and drive for the game is what is impressive but it only gets u so far. I think we will trade Vasquez tho with his value being at an all time High. If we don't I won't be upset tho cause we have other positions that need upgraded as well. Just my opinion on the kid and ppl seem to think if u critique him you hate him or something.

I don't agree with anything you just said, but that's your opinion and I respect it. TP, Curry, Chalmers, Nate Robinson, Conley, Jackson, Felton, Hill... Outside of Curry and TP, not a lot of household names. You can win without a top shelf of, how many titles does CP have? Get a better center, and a better sf... heck even see what Gordon can give you for 82 games, and then replace GV. Roberts had a good run, and it was very promising, but remember, he isn't just older than than GV and has more professional experience than GV, he didn't do much better than GV in his time as starter. GV is going to improve, just like Nash did, just like DX did, just like every player that has gone home in the offseason and improved one aspect of his game.

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I don't agree with anything you just said, but that's your opinion and I respect it. TP, Curry, Chalmers, Nate Robinson, Conley, Jackson, Felton, Hill... Outside of Curry and TP, not a lot of household names. You can win without a top shelf of, how many titles does CP have? Get a better center, and a better sf... heck even see what Gordon can give you for 82 games, and then replace GV. Roberts had a good run, and it was very promising, but remember, he isn't just older than than GV and has more professional experience than GV, he didn't do much better than GV in his time as starter. GV is going to improve, just like Nash did, just like DX did, just like every player that has gone home in the offseason and improved one aspect of his game.

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Trust me man I hope he does improve and becomes better in the places he lacks. We know his speed isn't going to get better but there are other things he can improve. I'm rooting for him. I said we could win with him and don't mind him being our guy if we could surround him with supreme talent. Teams that did win with an avg pg had supreme talent on those teams. Im assuming you were referring to the part where I said I don't think we can be serious contender with him as our pg. Cause all the numbers I put out there are facts. Do u not agree with me that he shouldn't be the guy that avgs the most shot attempts?? I'd hope so. Also, he is only in year 2 of his very short nba career thus far. He def can improve and grow. How much he has already dramatically improved is a very good sign. Hope he can continue the upward trend. I think u can ask many on this board and I was 1 of if not the biggest Vasquez supporter at 1 point early on. As time went on tho his lack of lateral quickness hurt us badly on defense. We will find out soon enough what our plan is tho. If he is our guy I'm all for it. If he isn't I'm all for it. Either way I'm ok with it. I trust dell and Monty's evaluations over mine or anyone's on this board. Lol