2013 Pelicans Roster - Version 50.0

I know it wont happen but everyone seems all on the idea of cp3 and dwight but most say we cant afford both so I got to thinking what if we could get cp3 and nikola pekovic.

Pek per 36 mins averaged 19-10 this year. Not only that but he is rediculously efficient on offense shooting 52% from the field and 75% from FT. He is only 27, which is young for a big man. People saying Marc Gasol is still young and will be one of the best centers in years to come and he is 28. Also taking Pek instead of dwight gives us cap to go after people like budinger or brewer.

CP3/GV
Gordon/Rivers
Otto Porter/Budinger or Brewer
Davis/Ryno
Pekovic/Lopez

CP3 doesnt depend on athleticism for his game so im not worried about his age at all. Gordon is about to enter the prime of his career. Otto porter would be a perfect glue guy. If we wanna see davis develop and maximize his potential, who better to have playing PG for him? and pek, the perfect compliment to davis, the giant, bruising center with a post game who can score in the low post and do it very efficiently.

Not only can Gordon take pressure off of ball and handle the ball at times, paul will also do the same for gordon not making gordon the constant go to guy keeping him from getting banged up so much and maybe help his injury prone nature.

This is not only a nice starting roster, but also a nice bench.

Plus say this doesn't work, atleast we gave up 0 draft picks and can continue to build in the thunder's mold as a backup and contine building through the draft.

Say a player like CP3 or Dwight or Iggy or Pek wanted to come and play for the
Pels would we need to give up anything to do so or can they just sign with any
team if the price suits them?

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Originally Posted by AUSSIE_PELICAN

Say a player like CP3 or Dwight or Iggy or Pek wanted to come and play for the
Pels would we need to give up anything to do so or can they just sign with any
team if the price suits them?

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cp3, dwight, iggy, and pek are all unrestricted free agents, they can go anywhere they want and can sign anywhere, their team doesnt own them anymore. Pelicans would have to give up nothing.

I thought the only way we can get Dwight is through sign and trade??

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Originally Posted by Silverfoxx

I thought the only way we can get Dwight is through sign and trade??

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No. He is unrestricted. But he can sign for more $ from the Lakers, who would then trade him.

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Originally Posted by Soundwave

No. He is unrestricted. But he can sign for more $ from the Lakers, who would then trade him.

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Which opens up teams over the cap to trade assets for him

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Originally Posted by Soundwave

No. He is unrestricted. But he can sign for more $ from the Lakers, who would then trade him.

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Lakers can't S&T players because they are over the cap limit. It's one of the new rules.

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

Lakers can't S&T players because they are over the cap limit. It's one of the new rules.

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I thought there was a rule that I was missing, but I thought it had to do with the team that would attempt to get him. So basically, he's stuck with whomever he signs, and the Lakers either sign him or get nothing.

It says teams above the Lux tax apron can't receive a player in a S&T; I'm unsure if that also means picks as well.

anyway....... what yall think about the team?

That's the team I just built on 2k. Western conference finals next year!

Seriously is my dream 2013-2014 team.

cp3 would make every body better and take pressure off gordon and also improve Davis' offensive game
gordon not being the #1 would easily be a 22 point scorer and would excel not being double teamed and the only offensive option anymore
porter is the perfect glue guy, u cant double paul or gordon cuz otto can do nothing incredible but everything good
davis elite defender/rebounder
pek massive center, he is like lopez but way better

So you expect the Pelicans to not pick up any of their team options for next year? If they don't, they'll have roughly 23 million to spend in FA, but I think there's a <1% chance they don't pick up Lopez's 5.1 option for next year so that leaves the Pelicans 18 mill. They'd have to decline the options on Lance (good chance), D Miller (doubtful), B Roberts (even more doubtful) in order to have that ~18 mill. Good luck getting both of those guys for 18 mill

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

cp3, dwight, iggy, and pek are all unrestricted free agents.

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Pek is a Restricted Free Agent.

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Originally Posted by GeauxPelicans

So you expect the Pelicans to not pick up any of their team options for next year? If they don't, they'll have roughly 23 million to spend in FA, but I think there's a <1% chance they don't pick up Lopez's 5.1 option for next year so that leaves the Pelicans 18 mill. They'd have to decline the options on Lance (good chance), D Miller (doubtful), B Roberts (even more doubtful) in order to have that ~18 mill. Good luck getting both of those guys for 18 mill

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we'll have 35 million, where in the world did u get 23 million from??

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

we'll have 35 million, where in the world did u get 23 million from??

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That's only if we renounce everyone, correct ?

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

That's only if we renounce everyone, correct ?

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Yes if we got rid of all player options we would have 36-37 million to spend. Only players we would have would be: Gordon, Ryno, Davis, Rivers, Jason Smith, Greivis.
cp3 20 million
Pek 11 million
Gerald Henderson 3 million
Otto Porter 2 million


Cp3/Rivers
Gordon/Henderson
Porter/Whoever we trade GV for
Davis/Ryno
Pek/Jason Smith

Then trade GV for a SF and u have a nice roster. Greivis' contract is worth 2.5 mil
What would be even better is if the magic take noel in the draft and need a PG and we could trade them GV for either harkless or harris (seriously doubt it) just throwing it out there.
Also I dont think Tom Benson would mine going over the luxury cap just a little and spending the tax.

If we keep Lopez we have approx. 31-32 million to spend.

I could see us making 2 trades 1st on draft day with Kings 1st round pick & GV to kings for DeMarcus Cousins last year of rookie contract, 2nd trade Eric Gordon to Bulls for Luol Deng who would be and expire contract. Then pick up the option on both Brian Roberts & Darius Miller would put us @ 39,301,861 then sign CP3, Kevin Martin & DeJuan Blair.
CP3 20 mill
KMart 8Mill
DeJuan Blair 2 Mill

Cp3/ AR25
KMart/Brian Roberts
Deng/DM
AD/Ryno
DC/Jason Smith/DeJuan Blair

This team may cost around 69Mil with 2 expiring contracts in Deng & Smith

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Originally Posted by R_Ash

I could see us making 2 trades 1st on draft day with Kings 1st round pick & GV to kings for DeMarcus Cousins last year of rookie contract, 2nd trade Eric Gordon to Bulls for Luol Deng who would be and expire contract. Then pick up the option on both Brian Roberts & Darius Miller would put us @ 39,301,861 then sign CP3, Kevin Martin & DeJuan Blair.
CP3 20 mill
KMart 8Mill
DeJuan Blair 2 Mill

Cp3/ AR25
KMart/Brian Roberts
Deng/DM
AD/Ryno
DC/Jason Smith/DeJuan Blair

This team may cost around 69Mil with 2 expiring contracts in Deng & Smith

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another very nice lineup, reminds me of our old team

cp3 as himself
kmart as one of our 3pt assassins
deng as the other
ad as tyson
cousins as west

just a lot more talanted, kmart like peja can drain the 3 but also score in other ways
deng is like mo pete in that he can hit the 3 and defend, but do both better and also is a great rebounder

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

another very nice lineup, reminds me of our old team

cp3 as himself
kmart as one of our 3pt assassins
deng as the other
ad as tyson
cousins as west

just a lot more talanted, kmart like peja can drain the 3 but also score in other ways
deng is like mo pete in that he can hit the 3 and defend, but do both better and also is a great rebounder

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We would also have a better bench with Austin, Ryno, Darius & Jason Smith.

If we can't get Chris we could still make the other move and become a very good team with about 10-15mil in cap space

If the Pel’s don’t pick up the options on both Lopez and Thomas, the combined salaries for the rest of the team in 2013/14 is: 36.53M

Now if we sign CP3 for 18.668M* and Pekovic for 9.19M*, it could work in principal.

The total salaries to begin the season would be: 64.388M
If you include the salary of the 2013 (5th pick) = 2.9M
Webster 2.1M*
Budinger 0.884M*

Total for the team is: 70.272M

Luxury tax as of 2012/13 – 70M

CP3/Vasquez/Roberts
Gordon/Rivers/Miller
Budinger/Webster/2013 Pick
Davis/Anderson
Pekovic /Smith

However I can’t see us only signing Pek for 9.2M, Webster for only 2.1M and Budinger for 0.844M, but according to Shamsports this is the players projected salaries in 2013/14.
We can possibly not try and sign Webster and instead add that to both Pek and Budinger salaries instead, but you can see it is somewhat plausible but we do need flexibility moving forward.

This is why I’d rather build through the draft and sign young vets (24-26 year old players) to be successful for more than just one or two years.

*Source: Shamsports

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Originally Posted by AUSSIE_PELICAN

If the Pel’s don’t pick up the options on both Lopez and Thomas, the combined salaries for the rest of the team in 2013/14 is: 36.53M

Now if we sign CP3 for 18.668M* and Pekovic for 9.19M*, it could work in principal.

The total salaries to begin the season would be: 64.388M
If you include the salary of the 2013 (5th pick) = 2.9M
Webster 2.1M*
Budinger 0.884M*

Total for the team is: 70.272M

Luxury tax as of 2012/13 – 70M

CP3/Vasquez/Roberts
Gordon/Rivers/Miller
Budinger/Webster/2013 Pick
Davis/Anderson
Pekovic /Smith

However I can’t see us only signing Pek for 9.2M, Webster for only 2.1M and Budinger for 0.844M, but according to Shamsports this is the players projected salaries in 2013/14.
We can possibly not try and sign Webster and instead add that to both Pek and Budinger salaries instead, but you can see it is somewhat plausible but we do need flexibility moving forward.

This is why I’d rather build through the draft and sign young vets (24-26 year old players) to be successful for more than just one or two years.

*Source: Shamsports

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well if thats the case i would say forget budinger and webster, if we are gonna spend a top 5 pick on otto porter he better be our starter, trade GV for a decent SF with the same contract and we are good. Take the 3 million from budinger and webster and give pek 12 instead of 9

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

well if thats the case i would say forget budinger and webster, if we are gonna spend a top 5 pick on otto porter he better be our starter, trade GV for a decent SF with the same contract and we are good.

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We aint getting Porter with the 5th Pick.....I was reaching for maybe Bazz or the Greek kid.
However if we miss out on a SF in the draft we may just draft BPA.

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Originally Posted by AUSSIE_PELICAN

If the Pel’s don’t pick up the options on both Lopez and Thomas, the combined salaries for the rest of the team in 2013/14 is: 36.53M

Now if we sign CP3 for 18.668M* and Pekovic for 9.19M*, it could work in principal.

The total salaries to begin the season would be: 64.388M
If you include the salary of the 2013 (5th pick) = 2.9M
Webster 2.1M*
Budinger 0.884M*

Total for the team is: 70.272M

Luxury tax as of 2012/13 – 70M

CP3/Vasquez/Roberts
Gordon/Rivers/Miller
Budinger/Webster/2013 Pick
Davis/Anderson
Pekovic /Smith

However I can’t see us only signing Pek for 9.2M, Webster for only 2.1M and Budinger for 0.844M, but according to Shamsports this is the players projected salaries in 2013/14.
We can possibly not try and sign Webster and instead add that to both Pek and Budinger salaries instead, but you can see it is somewhat plausible but we do need flexibility moving forward.

This is why I’d rather build through the draft and sign young vets (24-26 year old players) to be successful for more than just one or two years.

*Source: Shamsports

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I agree with you about building through the draft and getting young vets in F/A.

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

we'll have 35 million, where in the world did u get 23 million from??

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Gordon 14.283
Anderson 8.308
Davis 5.375
Smith 2.5
Rivers 2.339
Vasquez 2.15
That equals 34.955 million, if we don't pick up anyone's option. Cap is 58 million right? U can only go into Kix tax to sign people already on your own team (unless I'm wrong) so that gives the Pelicans 23.045 mill to spend if they don't pick up anyone's option. If I'm wrong, someone tell me please and if I am than I apologize.

Salary cap for next year is 70-71 million

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Originally Posted by GeauxPelicans

Gordon 14.283
Anderson 8.308
Davis 5.375
Smith 2.5
Rivers 2.339
Vasquez 2.15
That equals 34.955 million, if we don't pick up anyone's option. Cap is 58 million right? U can only go into Kix tax to sign people already on your own team (unless I'm wrong) so that gives the Pelicans 23.045 mill to spend if they don't pick up anyone's option. If I'm wrong, someone tell me please and if I am than I apologize.

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

Salary cap for next year is 70-71 million

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Cap hasn't been set to my knowledge. Can you show me where it's been set ? I thought it was 58 mill this year. Highly doubt it goes up 13 mill even with the high BRI

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

Salary cap for next year is 70-71 million

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Subtract about 10 or 11 from that.

im sorry, the cap is 58 and the luxury tax cap is 71

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

Cap hasn't been set to my knowledge. Can you show me where it's been set ? I thought it was 58 mill this year. Highly doubt it goes up 13 mill even with the high BRI

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The soft cap is projected to go up to around $60 million or so, but it hasn't been set yet. That is what most of the talking heads are projecting (I think Larry Coon said this too, and he's a cap expert), a $2-3 million dollar bump. Not sure if that effects the Luxury Tax as well....

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Originally Posted by AUSSIE_PELICAN

We aint getting Porter with the 5th Pick.....I was reaching for maybe Bazz or the Greek kid.
However if we miss out on a SF in the draft we may just draft BPA.

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Next year draft will be deeeeeep at the 3 position. I rather not draft Porter with a top 3 pick.

ok so the larry bird thing makes it to where u can resign one of ur players as long as he has been with the team for 3 years even if it puts u over the cap up to a max contract, pretty cool, dont know if thats fare though.

Also why didnt the thunder use this on Harden????

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

ok so the larry bird thing makes it to where u can resign one of ur players as long as he has been with the team for 3 years even if it puts u over the cap up to a max contract, pretty cool.

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Saying this in general terms so no one blast me.
Soft cap is the normal salary cap.
There is no hard cap (see the lakers) unless you use the MLE for teams under the salary cap (it's bigger).
Luxury tax line is when teams have to start paying luxury tax. There's an apron or a threshold to reach from the soft tax to the lux tax line (something like 4 mill).

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

ok so the larry bird thing makes it to where u can resign one of ur players as long as he has been with the team for 3 years even if it puts u over the cap up to a max contract, pretty cool, dont know if thats fare though.

Also why didnt the thunder use this on Harden????

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Because of the Lux tax would have been too much to pay with 4 bear max money guys. Teams like LA can get away with it because they typically have more revenues, but with the new revenue sharing; we MAY see teams like the lakers spending less in upcoming years.

I think that's bull, there should be a set amount and u cant go over it no matter what. Players cant use steroids but other owners can bully other owners because they have ore money? Hypocracy!

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

I think that's bull, there should be a set amount and u cant go over it no matter what. Players cant use steroids but other owners can bully other owners because they have ore money? Hypocracy!

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The owners wanted a hard cap. The players don't. Hard cap is less money for the players.

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

The owners wanted a hard cap. The players don't. Hard cap is less money for the players.

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Gotcha, with sports the playing level should be fare, not that u luck out and get drafted to a bigger market team. If the players have a problem they can go play somewhere else. that is so dumb IMO.

The Hard cap is what makes the NFL so great. Any team can win on any sunday because teams cannot acquire a bunch of stars like Miami or Lakers. What's hilarious is the fact that the NFL operates at a 120 million or cap paying 53 guys and the Lakers paid 12 close to 100 million. lol

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

The owners wanted a hard cap. The players don't. Hard cap is less money for the players.

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Some owners wanted a hard cap. If all the owners wanted a hard cap we would have one.

http://aol.sportingnews.com/nba/feed...ard-salary-cap

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ESPN.com offers a similar report about the owners' willingness to move off a hard cap, but player agents tell the site they question the veracity of the proposal, since the current system, in effect, acts like a hard cap.

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They agreed to it. The players didn't want it. Unless you have an inside source?

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

Some owners wanted a hard cap. If all the owners wanted a hard cap we would have one.

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If the majority of the owners wanted a hard cap then i'm sure it would have passed.
However I think the players didn't want this.
Why would they?
They lose money.

Ok new idea! :)

Trade Jimmy Butler for Eric Gordon. This free's up 14 million in cap, then sign cp3 for 18 million and dwight for 19 mil, draft oladipo or mclemore and sign for 2 million. Trade GV for a backup SF for equal salary. Resign Roberts at 725,000. This puts us at 60.25 million cap.

Cp3/Roberts
Oladipo or mclemore/Austin Rivers
Butler/(SF Trade)
Davis/Ryno
Dwight/JSmith

can u say winning?

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

Ok new idea! :)

Trade Jimmy Butler for Eric Gordon. This free's up 14 million in cap, then sign cp3 for 18 million and dwight for 19 mil, draft oladipo or mclemore and sign for 2 million. Trade GV for a backup SF for equal salary. Resign Roberts at 725,000. This puts us at 60.25 million cap.

Cp3/Roberts
Oladipo or mclemore/Austin Rivers
Butler/(SF Trade)
Davis/Ryno
Dwight/JSmith

can u say winning?

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Charlie Sheen was on alot of drugs when he said that.
Chicago would also have to be on drugs to trade Butler for Eric Gordon.

Never gonna happen.

I think the bulls would most definetly trade butler for gordon. Ive said before the bulls are an old team and i dont know how much is left in noah, boozer and deng, if they were smart they would do this trade and have a lineup of rose gordon deng boozer and noah and try to win the whole thing next year

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

Ok new idea! :)

Trade Jimmy Butler for Eric Gordon. This free's up 14 million in cap, then sign cp3 for 18 million and dwight for 19 mil, draft oladipo or mclemore and sign for 2 million. Trade GV for a backup SF for equal salary. Resign Roberts at 725,000. This puts us at 60.25 million cap.

Cp3/Roberts
Oladipo or mclemore/Austin Rivers
Butler/(SF Trade)
Davis/Ryno
Dwight/JSmith

can u say winning?

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Can't happen. When a team is over the salary cap (like the Bulls are next year) they can't accept more than 125% of the salary they send out. Minimum salary the bulls could send us for Gordon's $14.283 mill next year would be roughly $11.5 million or so. Butler only makes $1.174 mill next year. They'd have to include Hinrich, Gibson and Butler which I hope Dell would do in a heartbeat, but I seriously doubt Chicago would. If they included Noah, Boozer, Deng or Rose with Butler it would also work.

Since the Pelicans are under the cap entering the summer, they could absorb a larger contract from a team over the cap, but that's only until they spend their FA $$$. Once they reach the 58-60 mill "soft cap" all of their trades must be +/- 125% also. I'm about 98% sure that these are the rules even with the new CBA. We need 42 to get us straight

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

I think the bulls would most definetly trade butler for gordon. Ive said before the bulls are an old team and i dont know how much is left in noah, boozer and deng, if they were smart they would do this trade and have a lineup of rose gordon deng boozer and noah and try to win the whole thing next year

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1. Salaries dont match
2. They owe 73.2M in agreed salaries already for 2013/14
3. Add Gordon's salary of 14.283M....Thats 86.3M (minus Butler's salary).

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

I think the bulls would most definetly trade butler for gordon. Ive said before the bulls are an old team and i dont know how much is left in noah, boozer and deng, if they were smart they would do this trade and have a lineup of rose gordon deng boozer and noah and try to win the whole thing next year

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Deng is only 28 he an Chris are the same age

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

If we keep Lopez we have approx. 31-32 million to spend.

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You're neglecting cap holds for both the draft pick (around $3m for the 5th pick) and I'm about 90% sure minimum roster holds (struggling to find specifics, but your hypothetical leaves us 7 players short of a minimum roster, and "holds" are placed on those empty spots that eat into available cap space even though those spots aren't filled yet). There's no way we'll be able to afford CP3 and Pekovic with Gordon still on the team.

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Originally Posted by GeauxPelicans

Can't happen. When a team is over the salary cap (like the Bulls are next year) they can't accept more than 125% of the salary they send out. Minimum salary the bulls could send us for Gordon's $14.283 mill next year would be roughly $11.5 million or so. Butler only makes $1.174 mill next year. They'd have to include Hinrich, Gibson and Butler which I hope Dell would do in a heartbeat, but I seriously doubt Chicago would. If they included Noah, Boozer, Deng or Rose with Butler it would also work.

Since the Pelicans are under the cap entering the summer, they could absorb a larger contract from a team over the cap, but that's only until they spend their FA $$$. Once they reach the 58-60 mill "soft cap" all of their trades must be +/- 125% also. I'm about 98% sure that these are the rules even with the new CBA. We need 42 to get us straight

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good post.