How to Acquire both Dwight and CP3

A guy on another board looked at the salaries of every team and worked out a process on how they can acquire both CP3 and Dwight. Here is what he had to say about New Orleans:

New Orleans
Step 1. Decline player options on Lopez, Miller, and Roberts
Step 2. Trade Ryan Anderson and Austin Rivers to the Pistons for pick 7 to free up the cap space for step 3
Step 3. Sign both Howard and Paul
CP3/Vasquez
Gordon/Vet
Thomas/Pick 5
Davis/Pick 7
Dwight/Smith

Thoughts?

It's possible. Of course it's highly unlikely. But that doesn't mean it's impossible.

By the way, you should know that I upvote nearly every comment you post at /r/nba.

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How much cap space do we have after this season ?

Vasquez and Lopez could go right in a trade package ?

No. No. No. CP3, I'll take. Dwight Howard, no. Schizophrenia should not be allowed in this league. I disagree with the trading of Ryno and AR. Trade Gordon if cap needs to be cleared. I dunno. I don't get it.

... and hire another coach, because I don't see Monty and Howard working things out.

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Originally Posted by The JNR

By the way, you should know that I upvote nearly every comment you post at /r/nba.

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Its mutual haha Attachment 4897

Pretty much any pelican flair is an instant upvote.

Trade Anderson and Rivers to Detroit for pick #7? I'd shoot myself. No offense, but that just horrible value...

The way we do it is sign CP to the max with our cap space outright. Then, we trade Anderson, Lopez, and Vasquez + our 2014 1st round pick to LA for Howard.

PG - CP, Roberts
SG - Gordon, Rivers
SF - Draft Otto Porter, Miller
PF - Davis, JSmith, Vet Min FA
C - Howard, JSmith, Amundson?

That said, I can't see it happening. CP is much more likely because of his ties to the city and Monty, but Howard is more of a money chaser.

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Originally Posted by Kumar

Pretty much any pelican flair is an instant upvote.

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Same here! I know that's probably not what we're supposed to do, but there are so few of us I feel like we need to stick together.

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Trade Anderson and Rivers to Detroit for pick #7? I'd shoot myself. No offense, but that just horrible value...

The way we do it is sign CP to the max with our cap space outright. Then, we trade Anderson, Lopez, and Vasquez + our 2014 1st round pick to LA for Howard.

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In your case we lose Anderson, Vasquez, and a pick. In the other case we lose Anderson and Rivers, but get another Lottery Pick. Get Shabazz/ Porter with one, Bennet with the other. Not sure how Anderson, Lopez, Vasquez, and 2014 pick is great value.

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Originally Posted by The JNR

Same here! I know that's probably not what we're supposed to do, but there are so few of us I feel like we need to stick together.

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I mean, its not like we aren't contributing to discussion. Our comments are usually relevant/ witty/ or thought worthy. Its worth those upvotes. Nothing wrong if you like what another person has to say haha. I don't upvote plain stupidity or antagonistic remarks, but I also rarely ever see that in Pelican Fans.

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Originally Posted by Kumar

In your case we lose Anderson, Vasquez, and a pick. In the other case we lose Anderson and Rivers, but get another Lottery Pick. Get Shabazz/ Porter with one, Bennet with the other. Not sure how Anderson, Lopez, Vasquez, and 2014 pick is great value.

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Firstly, we couldn't sign Howard with cap space. He wouldn't take a little less to come here like CP would. It would have to be the original team max, which means we have to trade for him with the Lakers, and LA wouldn't let him go for nothing. Secondly, we could get much better value for Anderson straight up than a freaking #7 overall pick in a draft where there are 5 legitimate players.

CBA clarification: I know that if you're over the lux, you can't S&T for the original team's max contract. Is that just if you're over lux, or is that the new rule for any player?

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Originally Posted by Kumar

A guy on another board looked at the salaries of every team and worked out a process on how they can acquire both CP3 and Dwight. Here is what he had to say about New Orleans:

New Orleans
Step 1. Decline player options on Lopez, Miller, and Roberts
Step 2. Trade Ryan Anderson and Austin Rivers to the Pistons for pick 7 to free up the cap space for step 3
Step 3. Sign both Howard and Paul
CP3/Vasquez
Gordon/Vet
Thomas/Pick 5
Davis/Pick 7
Dwight/Smith

Thoughts?

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What Thomas would this be in the starting lineup? LANCE Thomas?

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Firstly, we couldn't sign Howard with cap space. He wouldn't take a little less to come here like CP would. It would have to be the original team max, which means we have to trade for him with the Lakers, and LA wouldn't let him go for nothing. Secondly, we could get much better value for Anderson straight up than a freaking #7 overall pick in a draft where there are 5 legitimate players.

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I think you miss the point that this is not realistic in anyway and hypothetical situation. It was merely a method of obtaining both while being able to offer two maxes. Secondly, I prefer the line up above because we would still be in good shape for the future with 2 top 10 draft picks, not giving up a future, and having vasquez off the bench as the first guard which should be his ideal role. He can play off the ball the relieve Gordon too.

We have different opinions, and thats fine because none of this is likely to happen.

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Originally Posted by FlyGirl

What Thomas would this be in the starting lineup? LANCE Thomas?

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This wasn't created by a Pelicans fan. I would assume you would start the small forward that would be drafted by one of those two picks. Besides that, it would give us arguably the best front and backcourts in the league.

I'm sorry guys but Chris Paul isn't coming back to new Orleans.lol..seriously he just isn't. No need to even entertain it.

They have to agree.

You left that part out.

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Originally Posted by 42

They have to agree.

You left that part out.

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You mean, the most important and least likely to happen point lol?

Yes, that one.

The time may come for stars to want to be here, but this offseason is not it.

Patience.

I'm not sure why this lack of spending is burning a hole in people's virtual pockets.

42, I just saw an interesting post and thought it would be a good idea to put it here for discussion. We know this isn't going to happen nor did I imply it, but alas, its the offseason and things are a bit slow. I don't bank my hopes on fairy tales.

I think we can reap some benefit from all the mess in LA, just not sign those guys.

Lets not rush and build slow... A young team that gells together and matures is the best way to go
Howard will never come here and cp3 will be in win now mode.


I WANT US TO BE A DYNASTY!

I'd rather keep Anderson than Howard...

if the hornets decline lopez, miller, thomas and roberts they have 36 million to spend. Could the hornets afford cp3 and dwight? Sure, and i think benson would go over the soft cap and just spend the tax. then draft otto porter

cp3
gordon
porter
davis
dwight

doubt it happens though

There is a very low chance CP3 or DH would come to this team. Both players are looking for things we simply cannot offer at this time (team willing to go over luxury tax, lots of exposure and ability to win championships). I’m not sure getting DH and CP3 at a max cost would be the best way to continue the rebuild. Yes, the team would be instant contenders but our salary cap would be maxed out without a descent bench. Personally, I would continue to build the team the way it’s being done right now. Add talented rookies and BALANCE the roster with experienced players who can teach the young guys how win in the NBA. A similar process to what Indiana and San Antonio has done. We are 3 steps away (Starting Center, Better PG & above avg SF) from being a playoff team next year and all those needs can be addressed this summer in the draft and free agency.

There is a less than zero chance they agree to sign here. That's the major hurdle

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Originally Posted by aas3452

There is a very low chance CP3 or DH would come to this team. Both players are looking for things we simply cannot offer at this time (team willing to go over luxury tax, lots of exposure and ability to win championships). I’m not sure getting DH and CP3 at a max cost would be the best way to continue the rebuild. Yes, the team would be instant contenders but our salary cap would be maxed out without a descent bench. Personally, I would continue to build the team the way it’s being done right now. Add talented rookies and BALANCE the roster with experienced players who can teach the young guys how win in the NBA. A similar process to what Indiana and San Antonio has done. We are 3 steps away (Starting Center, Better PG & above avg SF) from being a playoff team next year and all those needs can be addressed this summer in the draft and free agency.

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I have no doubt Benson wouldn't mind us going over the cap to win titles, and adding Howard and Paul to this roster, as already constructed, would be a contender.

You yourself already said we're 3 pieces away from being a playoff team. If two of those pieces were the best in the damn league, we'd be in very good condition.

However, I just see them both joining up with Harden as it offers even more incentives. If they both leave LA to begin with anyway.

I'm not sure why people see CP3 and Dwight joined at the hip here. CP3 is all about winning, and as Dwight proved this year and subsequent ejection in game 4; he's more about brand than rings. Sure, in theory, it seems like the perfect marriage of talent and skills; but in actual practice, it will be the same mess that would have already effectively driven CP3 out of L.A. in the first place: Immaturity by his running mate except sub Blake Griffin for Dwight Howard. Now am I saying that Blake is on the same stratosphere as Dwight in terms of what they bring to the court? No, however this would be the same diagnosis in another city with higher expectations.

People want us to be the next Miami Heat where in one offseason we'll suddenly gamble everything and go for it all! YEAH!

we would pay luxury if it meant getting paul and howard. doesn't seem likely because paul's been there done that, and dwight is too much of a prima donna

If Chris Paul goes anywhere it will be the LAKERS.

Another way to look at this is to put yourself in CP3's shoes if it comes down to the Lakers and the Pelicans which one would you choose? Be honest!

Well, Lakers' immediate future doesn't look very bright right now you know.

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Originally Posted by Kumar

A guy on another board looked at the salaries of every team and worked out a process on how they can acquire both CP3 and Dwight. Here is what he had to say about New Orleans:

New Orleans
Step 1. Decline player options on Lopez, Miller, and Roberts
Step 2. Trade Ryan Anderson and Austin Rivers to the Pistons for pick 7 to free up the cap space for step 3
Step 3. Sign both Howard and Paul
CP3/Vasquez
Gordon/Vet
Thomas/Pick 5
Davis/Pick 7
Dwight/Smith

Thoughts?

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If we really have a chance to get both CP3 & D12 I think these are the moves that could take place.

1) Decline options on Lopez
2) Trade Eric Gordon to Atlanta for John Jenkins & 17th pick
3) Trade GV for a 2nd pick.
4) Draft Shabazz & Jeff Whithey

Team
CP3/ Brian Roberts
Austin Rivers/ John Jenkins
Shabazz / Darius Miller
Anthony Davis/ Ryan Anderson
DH12/ Jason Smith / Jeff Whithey

This team would cost about 57 mil

What makes y'all think Dwight wants to come here? Really?

That'd just be just switching uniforms. The media coverage, my house, the arena. It's all the same or thereabouts.

Every difference is in perception and history.

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Originally Posted by R_Ash

If we really have a chance to get both CP3 & D12 I think these are the moves that could take place.

1) Decline options on Lopez
2) Trade Eric Gordon to Atlanta for John Jenkins & 17th pick
3) Trade GV for a 2nd pick.
4) Draft Shabazz & Jeff Whithey

Team
CP3/ Brian Roberts
Austin Rivers/ John Jenkins
Shabazz / Darius Miller
Anthony Davis/ Ryan Anderson
DH12/ Jason Smith / Jeff Whithey

This team would cost about 57 mil

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That's a championship team IMO, but it won't happen... 0% chance.

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Originally Posted by jrdbrn

That's a championship team IMO, but it won't happen... 0% chance.

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If CP3 & D12 is a package deal then I could see Atlanta as a trade partner for Gordon. Also i truly think Shabazz, AD & Austin want to play with each other

Anything is possible but if they want to play together and compete for a championship, they may have to compromise. I think Houston has more trade pieces to be able to make this move and them keep their money. ATL won't have much of a team around them and If they were to come here and we didn't have to give up draft picks, we would have a good mix of youth and veterans. Still a huge long shot.

They are not coming here! The closest they may get is Dallas. If you like dreaming I'll play along. Lets bring Deron Williams in too.

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Originally Posted by PowerPel

If Chris Paul goes anywhere it will be the LAKERS.

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I hate to reference reddit for information... but this is a pretty thorough explanation of why CP3 to the Lakers is almost impossible.

http://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments...ng_the_lakers/

to clear the need cap space we only need to move EG and take back nothing something like a 2nd round pick or some on on a rookie deal. So if Gordon is trade to a team like Bucks, Bobcats or Hawks it would be to clear more cap space to sign both CP3 & D12

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Originally Posted by Rocket Man

I hate to reference reddit for information... but this is a pretty thorough explanation of why CP3 to the Lakers is almost impossible.

http://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments...ng_the_lakers/

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Not impossible with the amnesty clauses. Lakers GM has gotten out of these binds before and would not shock me if he could figure out a way. CP3 could also wind up in Dallas.

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Originally Posted by PowerPel

Not impossible with the amnesty clauses. Lakers GM has gotten out of these binds before and would not shock me if he could figure out a way. CP3 could also wind up in Dallas.

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I may be wrong, but the only significant contracts they could amnesty are Kobe's 30 mil (not gonna happen) or Metta's 7 mil (and they'd still have a long way to go to get under the luxury tax), so that doesn't play much of a part here. Kupchack has his work cut out for him.

And yea I'd be more worried about Dallas (or Atlanta) than the Lakers landing CP3

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Originally Posted by jrdbrn

That's a championship team IMO, but it won't happen... 0% chance.

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If they were to ever happen! That would be the most impressive offseason ever in the history of sports. NO WAY that can happen outside of NBA 2k.