ROY: "The stats scream Davis over Lillard"

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/pos...s-over-lillard

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If we're talking about which player delivered the most useful work to his team this season, there is no case for Lillard over Davis.

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love the new digs!

Awful article.

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Originally Posted by Nola Hornet

Awful article.

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Agreed. He is using PER to justify why Davis is better than Lillard, which is true, but he is only scratching the surface. Davis trumps Lillard in TS%, eFG%, STL%, TO%, ORtg, DRtg, and has a way better WS/48. That isn't even to mention that Lillard is one of the worst starting PGs in the league in terms of AST%, and Davis is one of the best bigs in the league in term of BLK%, and he also has a very good TRB% of 16.9.

Then you have to factor in that Lillard is 3 years older, was more physically ready for the NBA when he came in, and he was also playing next to an All Star. I don't even see how this is a discussion.

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Then you have to factor in that Lillard is 3 years older, was more physically ready for the NBA when he came in,
This is not a factor in rookie of the year. I think the race is closer than you give it credit for but I still think Davis is the better player now an in the future.

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

This is not a factor in rookie of the year. I think the race is closer than you give it credit for but I still think Davis is the better player now an in the future.

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Well, it's subjective IMO. I wouldn't say it's a factor of rookie of the year, but it certainly plays a role in the notion that Davis has a MUCH higher ceiling. More so, it's a testament to how well Davis is doing his rookie year despite his severe physical limitations.

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Originally Posted by nolaslim213

Well, it's subjective IMO. I wouldn't say it's a factor of rookie of the year, but it certainly plays a role in the notion that Davis has a MUCH higher ceiling. More so, it's a testament to how well Davis is doing his rookie year despite his severe physical limitations.

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Agreed there. It makes Davis rookie year that much more impressive.

This article sucks.

It first, discounts PER as a measuring stick, then uses PER to explain why Davis is better. He leaves out a majority of statistics. This was just bad.

The article I think was a way to show that not only is Davis better, but he is waaaaaay above and beyond Lillard using the only metric that has been universally used throughout the statistics world. AND that tool doesn't measure where Davis best trait shows up on the basketball court; defense. And that if there was a tool that included both Offense and Defense, then the gulf between Davis and Lillard would increase.

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Originally Posted by kidjock24

The article I think was a way to show that not only is Davis better, but he is waaaaaay above and beyond Lillard using the only metric that has been universally used throughout the statistics world. AND that tool doesn't measure where Davis best trait shows up on the basketball court; defense. And that if there was a tool that included both Offense and Defense, then the gulf between Davis and Lillard would increase.

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He could have easily made the case but he didn't.

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Originally Posted by kidjock24

The article I think was a way to show that not only is Davis better, but he is waaaaaay above and beyond Lillard using the only metric that has been universally used throughout the statistics world. AND that tool doesn't measure where Davis best trait shows up on the basketball court; defense. And that if there was a tool that included both Offense and Defense, then the gulf between Davis and Lillard would increase.

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Win shares?

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Originally Posted by nolaslim213

Agreed. He is using PER to justify why Davis is better than Lillard, which is true, but he is only scratching the surface. Davis trumps Lillard in TS%, eFG%, STL%, TO%, ORtg, DRtg, and has a way better WS/48. That isn't even to mention that Lillard is one of the worst starting PGs in the league in terms of AST%, and Davis is one of the best bigs in the league in term of BLK%, and he also has a very good TRB% of 16.9.

Then you have to factor in that Lillard is 3 years older, was more physically ready for the NBA when he came in, and he was also playing next to an All Star. I don't even see how this is a discussion.

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Case closed

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Originally Posted by Inner_GI

This article sucks.

It first, discounts PER as a measuring stick, then uses PER to explain why Davis is better. He leaves out a majority of statistics. This was just bad.

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:rotfl:

Gotta love some of these writers.

He's a Trailblazers fan. That's why he wrote it that way.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/...13-rookie-year

Lillard will get it but I'm not sure it will be as 'unanimous' as some would have thought. That is, if these ESPN people truly has a vote.

Davis got only 3 out of 30 votes in that article.

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Originally Posted by RaisingTheBar

Davis got only 3 out of 30 votes in that article.

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Right. But that only means that if those 3 ESPN writers really have votes for ROY, then that all but says Lillard's ROY won't be unanimous. Who was the last rookie to win ROY unanimously?

Blake Griffin?

HunnyB is that you?

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Originally Posted by IamQuailman

HunnyB is that you?

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Yup. It's me. :p

Edit: nvm it is the real HunnyB. I gotta get use to your new name.

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

Blake Griffin?

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Yep. And he was the first unanimous ROY in 21 years.

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Originally Posted by FlyGirl

Yep. And he was the first unanimous ROY in 21 years.

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In his second year.

I was like, who is this FlyGirl... then the post count, oh wow...

All makes sense now. haha

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Originally Posted by NOLa.

Edit: nvm it is the real HunnyB. I gotta get use to your new name.

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I fixed it. ;)

Haha perfect.

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Originally Posted by Inner_GI

I was like, who is this FlyGirl... A/S/L then the post count, oh wow...

All makes sense now. haha

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FIFY

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

FIFY

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I love the high post count. Totally a turn on. :eek:

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Davis is a better player and will be a better player, and Portland would snap trade Lillard for Davis and laugh that we made such an offer.

But Rookie of the Year is an award for who had the better rookie season, and you can't ignore that Lillard made a bigger impact just by the massive disparity in minutes with Davis. Lillard played alot more, and while that boils down to an organizational decision more than how talented a particular player is, the end result is that Lillard had the more impactful season.

I'd vote Lillard for the ROY, but the Hornets have the guy who still goes first if they redrafted 10 out of 10 times.

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Originally Posted by nolaslim213

Well, it's subjective IMO. I wouldn't say it's a factor of rookie of the year, but it certainly plays a role in the notion that Davis has a MUCH higher ceiling. More so, it's a testament to how well Davis is doing his rookie year despite his severe physical limitations.

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Yeah, absolutely. If the goal were to pump him up for ROY, all the Hornets had to do was let him play 32 mpg and he'd win it in a landslide.

But the goal is to pump him up to be a true franchise player, and not hanging his slight frame out to get abused every single night was the right call.

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Originally Posted by MonsterMash

Davis is a better player and will be a better player, and Portland would snap trade Lillard for Davis and laugh that we made such an offer.

But Rookie of the Year is an award for who had the better rookie season, and you can't ignore that Lillard made a bigger impact just by the massive disparity in minutes with Davis. Lillard played alot more, and while that boils down to an organizational decision more than how talented a particular player is, the end result is that Lillard had the more impactful season.

I'd vote Lillard for the ROY, but the Hornets have the guy who still goes first if they redrafted 10 out of 10 times.

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Speaking of minutes, right now, going into tonight's games, Lillard is second in the entire league in MPG, first in minutes total. The entire league. :eek: When was the last time a rookie led the league in mpg? HAS a rookie even ever lead the league in mpg?

Lillard will be rewarded for the minutes, the points, and likely the amount of games he's played this season. Hats off to him.

Never. But Lillard will probably be the first rookie to do so.

A very underrated feat. It's unheard of for a rookie to be able to play that kind of minutes, stay healthy, and produce relatively consistently. I know a lot of people give him a hard time due to his age but it's still very impressive.

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Originally Posted by Nola Hornet

A very underrated feat. It's unheard of for a rookie to be able to play that kind of minutes, stay healthy, and produce relatively consistently. I know a lot of people give him a hard time due to his age but it's still very impressive.

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Yeah, most definitely. He was definitely a steal.

This was a pretty strong draft, at least as far as the top 10. Aside from Davis and Lillard, Beal and Waiters looked like real gems after they adjusted to the NBA. Drummond is a beast as well.

The biggest disappointment has to be Robinson and MKG. Just bleh seasons.

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Originally Posted by Inner_GI

The biggest disappointment has to be Robinson and MKG. Just bleh seasons.

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plenty of folks would find the biggest top10 disappointment a little...closer to home

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3. Who was the biggest disappointment of the 2012 rookie class?


Gerrity: Royce White. Rarely does a man come into existence with both the skill set and size of Mr. White. It's really too bad that he and the Rockets weren't able to make it work this season, because I wanted to watch.

Gordon: Royce White. Not to pick on a guy who's clearly got a lot of stuff to sort out -- if we can trust the interviews he's done, he seems like a thoughtful person who knows exactly what he's giving up by being so insistent regarding his anxiety problems. But White flashed underrated potential as a hyper-athletic big with playmaking potential, only to basically get an "incomplete" mark on the season for his well-publicized back-and-forth with the Rockets.

Mason: Alexey Shved. Fun name, fun game. But Shved is a 24-year-old rookie who looked inexperienced and wild in his rookie season. Though there were some memorable flourishes, I personally hoped for more reliable contributions. Perhaps that was too much to ask, but his performance in the Olympics earned our attention.

Nowell: Austin Rivers. Rivers always had warts as a prospect, but I don't think many people foresaw his historically bad season. Without drastic improvements, the question isn't whether Rivers can live up to his stratospheric prep hype -- it's whether he's even worthy of a rotation spot.

Winter: Thomas Robinson. A hat tip to New Orleans' Austin Rivers and his 5.94 PER. But expectations of Rivers were low compared to those of Robinson, widely considered one of the draft's few impact players and a steal at fifth overall. After showing less in his first few games with Houston than he did in half a season with Sacramento, Robinson was recently replaced in Kevin McHale's rotation by fellow rookie and D-League call-up Terrence Jones.

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