Eric Bledsoe or Trey Burke

Regardless of their age, what it would take to get them, who do you think would be the better long term PG solution for our team?

With Bledsoe u are getting an elite physical specimen with unmatched athleticism, he is just as athletic as westbrook if not more. He is also an elite on and off ball defender who can finish through contact, run the fast break like a blur which would be unstopable along with gordon and davis, and he can hit the open 3, he is shooting an absolutely rediculous 40% from 3 and 80% from FT

With Burke ur getting a floor general, a leader, and a clutch player. He has very good bball IQ, great jumpshot, good speed, decent defense, good passer.

Depends on what we give up to acquire Bledsoe...

EDIT: Sorry, skimmed over that first line...

In regards to fit/potential with our current roster, I would take Bledsoe. He would provide a much more versatile, change of pace combination with Austin. Plus, he fits so well into the defensive mentality of Monty. I'm excited at the prospect of landing him, given the resources at our disposal. We'll probably make a good run at Bledsoe once CPMe re-signs with LA this summer. Next year, I could envision a starting lineup of Bledsoe, Gordon, Bazz, Anderson, and Davis with Rivers, Miller, Smith, Lopez, and a number of quality rotation players via FA.

Burke.... Because he's going to be on a rookie contract for a long time whereas Bledsoe will command a large salary real soon.

Burke - He wont cost as much, plus I'm thinking he will probably be BPA at the time we pick.

Burke because while Bledsoe is the better physical specimen I think Burke is the better basketball player.

Burke because we'll have him locked up for 4 years at draft day. He's better on offense, and underrated on defense.

I want a PG that can facilitate his team to victory or take over the scoring duties if someone is having an off night, and Burke can do that.

Where's the Austin Rivers choice?

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Where's the Austin Rivers choice?

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On the bench.

Burke. But I'm interested in hearing how we fix the SF position if we use our pick is Burke. Not a lot of home runs in the SF free-agent pool.

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Burke. But I'm interested in hearing how we fix the SF position if we use our pick is Burke. Not a lot of home runs in the SF free-agent pool.

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We are rebuilding we can fix any other issue we have as we go along. Doesn't have to be done all in one year.

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Burke. But I'm interested in hearing how we fix the SF position if we use our pick is Burke. Not a lot of home runs in the SF free-agent pool.

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FA just to name a few: Budinger, Webster, Brewer and D. Wright (more options than there is at PG in FA)

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Burke. But I'm interested in hearing how we fix the SF position if we use our pick is Burke. Not a lot of home runs in the SF free-agent pool.

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Just having a SF capable... CAPABLE of hitting a jump shot from 18 ft to 3pt line is good enough for our ensemble.

I have to imagine if Gordon, Vasquez, or Lopez are traded it is to net a younger less potential "SG" or an above average SF.

I would rather Bledsoe right now. Nothing against Burke but he hasn't played an NBa game yet

The Austin Rivers disrespect is turrible. When he comes back and ball, just know I always held him down.

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The Austin Rivers disrespect is turrible. When he comes back and ball, just know I always held him down.

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I was just about to mention AR... he is our PG of the future I don't know why everybody seem to forget that we drafted him to play point. Monty has already said this. He played SG out of necessity this season, but AR is our PG moving forward. Might wanna get used to the idea and stop with these pipe dreams of Burke, CP3, Bledsoe, and *insert any other random PG here*.

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I was just about to mention AR... he is our PG of the future I don't know why everybody seem to forget that we drafted him to play point. Monty has already said this. He played SG out of necessity this season, but AR is our PG moving forward. Might wanna get used to the idea and stop with these pipe dreams of Burke, CP3, Bledsoe, and *insert any other random PG here*.

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Thank you.

Give me Burke. He has lead a team before (remember Bledsoe played second fiddle to John Wall before he played second fiddle to CP3). I like his winning ways, and his ability to command an entire floor. Damn shame he sat for nearly a qtr of the championship game, as he was balling out of control.

The SF problem isn't much of one. You don't need an all star. You need a lock down defender. If we keep Gordon, Davis develops, and we land Burke...couple that with Anderson off the bench, we have enough offense, we will need defenders, and AFA and Lopez can provide that. We just need consistent offense and the sf problem is just luxory we won't have, but not a death blow to any title chances.

I just don't get how this is debatable. One is a pipe dream, fantasy trade and one will likely be there for "free" when we pick.

btw Guru, you're now famous on Mr. Macnama's twitter:

In polls on HornetsReport, he has beaten out Oladipo, Porter Jr, and now Eric Bledsoe. Its quite unbelievable

— Michael McNamara (@McNamara247) April 10, 2013

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The Austin Rivers disrespect is turrible. When he comes back and ball, just know I always held him down.

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Why is it disrespect just because he isn't in the poll? It's not the topic.

btw, what is turrible is your blind faith in a player who had one of the worst % seasons in NBA history last year, regardless of his improvement later in the year.

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Why is it disrespect just because he isn't in the poll? It's not the topic.

btw, what is turrible is your blind faith in a player who had one of the worst % seasons in NBA history last year, regardless of his improvement later in the year.

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I don't know if Rivers was really drafted just to play PG.
I think Monty and others have said that to appease Gordon.
He could easily play SG if Gordon is traded.

If you take out cost, then probably Bledsoe. But in real life you don't take out cost, and so I think Burke will probably be the better choice (unless the Pels get a top three pick and can take either Porter or Smart).

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I don't know if Rivers was really drafted just to play PG.
I think Monty and others have said that to appease Gordon.
He could easily play SG if Gordon is traded.

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I think he'll ultimately end up as a combo guard 6/7 man off the bench which is fine. Get me 10 off the bench with no turnovers and I'm very happy.

Bledsoe. Don't let a good college season by a PG who played with more talent than he probably went against blind you. He's good but will it all translate as well? We know what Bledsoe can do.

It's Burke and it's not even close IMO.

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The Austin Rivers disrespect is turrible. When he comes back and ball, just know I always held him down.

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Sorry, but there was nothing about his rookie season that made me comfortable that we should assume he will be our starting PG. I think he is better suited as a combo guard off the bench. I hope he becomes a great PG, but he has a long way to go to even think he has a shot. We cannot bypass the position in hopes that he may develop.

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Mr. Macnama's twitter:

In polls on HornetsReport, he has beaten out Oladipo, Porter Jr, and now Eric Bledsoe. Its quite unbelievable

— Michael McNamara (@McNamara247) April 10, 2013

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Why does it feel like McNamara vs HR.

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The Austin Rivers disrespect is turrible. When he comes back and ball, just know I always held him down.

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Where is the disrespect?

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Because that's what he makes it? He has a ton of love for Dipo and so do we, yet he throws out things about how HR has this "unbelievable" love for the National Player of the Year. Capt. Hyperbole.

Give me Bledsoe.

No disrespect to anyone saying Bledsoe over Burke, but Bledsoe has been around some amazing talent throughout his Kentucky, and Clippers careers, and has not stood out until this year (when pg deprived teams saw an abundance if pg's on the clippers team, and believed they found low hanging fruit). The guy is good, but nothing about him screams amazing. His time as a starter has only rendered a 14/5/4/2. I want more from him as a starter if he is playing for the clippers (obviously I know CP3 starts for the Clipps but Bledsoe has started when CP3 was down).

I picked Burke ONLY because he will be locked up for 4 years. I don't care who get of the two because both are VAST improvements over what we have. The idea of Bledsoe and Rivers defensive guard lineup would just make me so happy.

Our offense would suffer greatly with Bledsoe and Rivers on the court at the same time, but I think he would totally kill opposing team's offenses as well.

I think I'm talking myself into Bledsoe, but he isn't "free."

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No disrespect to anyone saying Bledsoe over Burke, but Bledsoe has been around some amazing talent throughout his Kentucky, and Clippers careers, and has not stood out until this year (when pg deprived teams saw an abundance if pg's on the clippers team, and believed they found low hanging fruit). The guy is good, but nothing about him screams amazing. His time as a starter has only rendered a 14/5/4/2. I want more from him as a starter if he is playing for the clippers (obviously I know CP3 starts for the Clipps but Bledsoe has started when CP3 was down).

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I don't think 14/5/4/2 is anything to downplay when you factor in his defense. I'd take that type of production from him. Maybe a few more assists, but that's nitpicking.

Burke might be a better fit with Gordon and Davis. But this is if we believe that Gordon is part of the future. Bledsoe gives better defense and will be stronger than Burke. Bledsoe can win us games now.

Rivers isn't athletic. He isn't a pure shooter. He isn't a floor general. PG of the future? He is a friend of the family

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Rivers isn't athletic. He isn't a pure shooter. He isn't a floor general. PG of the future? He is a friend of the family

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Rivers had like a 38 inch vert, and he's quick as a cat; if that's not athletic I'm not sure what is.

Not trying to provoke anything here, but Bledsoe is a vastly superior athlete and an above-average defender, though he gets a little overrated in that regard. I feel Bledsoe would be significantly better than Burke, especially with the logic that if GV can get 9 assists/game anyone can,(there's the provocation) according to most posters so would we really be missing out? Bledsoe's potential is infinite, and he's just now showing his ability. Most great players come in with defense, and develop their offensive comfort zone in time. Bledsoe is also skilled in the art of throwing lobs, very much so. I see everything this team needs from a 1guard in Bledsoe, but Burke lacks in some of those areas... Not that he can't improve on it.

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There isn't a HUH big enough for this post...

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http://terrileeclarke.files.wordpres...oh-hell-no.jpg

Rivers had the 32rd best PER among rookies this year. If you see future starter, or anything more than the guy that waves the towel in excitement I got some beachfront property in Nebraska I would like to sell you.

The Bledsoe stats I posted earlier were inflated big time. When he was first named the starter (after CP3 went down) he was blowing up the Magic,Washington, the Celtics (minus Rondo) and the Raptors. Towards the end of his time as starter people were growing tired if him. It's actually quite interesting how if you give him 26+ min you start noticing a diminishing return in play.
http://espn.go.com/nba/player/gamelo...8/eric-bledsoe

Not sure if that tells us he is great against 2nd teamers, or if he is only good in spurts. But no. The answer in no.

In short, give me Burke. The guy has been the man before, and has lived up to his billing.

UNO... sometimes you have to use the eye test. Rivers was showing great strides in Defense and some offense before the injury. PER fails to recognize Defense.

I'd be interested in seeing you name 31 rookies you'd rather have than Rivers, since he is #32 in PER. I still think he was the best pick for #10 at the time.

At the time he was a good pick. Heck at the time Andre Drummond was the 9th best pick in the draft. Things change, I would take Drummond over anyone but Davis now.

Could I make a list of guys I would take over Rivers? Do I have to? Last years draft was crap. That's just how bad Rivers was last year.

I like Rivers' length and wingspan, I really do. And his defense was great late in the year. But when it comes down to it, his friggin shot is just a MESS. Can he change that? Maybe.

But Burke's shot is most definitely not a mess. And he has generous wingspan for a 6' guy at 6'5".

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At the time he was a good pick. Heck at the time Andre Drummond was the 9th best pick in the draft. Things change, I would take Drummond over anyone but Davis now.

Could I make a list of guys I would take over Rivers? Do I have to? Last years draft was crap. That's just how bad Rivers was last year.

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I'd love a list of 31 rookies last year you'd rather have, actually.

Actually

Bledsoe
cjcalhoun

Would be my backcoury. Calhoun is better than Burke. Watch both of the tapes on draft Express and you decide

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Actually

Bledsoe
cjcalhoun

Would be my backcoury. Calhoun is better than Burke. Watch both of the tapes on draft Express and you decide

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Might work better if you look up CJ McCollum.

I keep hearing about this Calhoun fellow. Sounds like a stand-up guy.

Calhoun could do Steph curry damage while opening up the inside

Why is it so hard to believe anybody would think Burke is worth gambling on. Here's a young man that has a great work ethic, comes from a solid family, and is one of the most decorated players in college history. All this in what was the consensus #1 conference.

This isn't Tim Tebow. This kid has the physical ability and skill to play the position.

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Rivers isn't athletic. He isn't a pure shooter. He isn't a floor general. PG of the future? He is a friend of the family

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Rivers isn't athletic? :hihi:

He isn't a pure shooter? Neither are DWade or LeBron or Westbrook or DRose or Tony Parker or most of the NBA superstars.

He isn't a floor general? Not yet, but he has better court vision than Vasquez, I can tell you that. He can make pocket passes that Vasquez doesn't, and he runs the PnR way better. He can get into the lane at will, and he shot over 40% from 3 in the month of Febuary before he got injured. So is he a pure shooter? Maybe not, but he was getting the job done better than most of the league in the month of Febuary.

Nevermind the fact that his growth defensively throughout the year was near miraculous. It's funny to me how people say, "no matter how much Rivers grew this season, blah blah blah." Give me a freaking break. The only goal for Rivers this season was to grow as a player. Nobody expected good numbers, and nobody expected him to take over games or lead a team. He should be a sophomore in college. Monty and Demps have BOTH said this numerous times, but nobody listens.

You people are insufferable with your blatant disregard for the fact that we drafted Rivers as a project. You want to criticize Rivers? Fine, but do it with the context that he is a rookie project.

Calhoun
tyreke Evans/Tony Allen, Montana ellis
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Davis
Hickson