Got a feeling both these guys will be there in the 5-8 range where we will be picking and a couple things come to mind.
1. Monty and Dell have both expressed they loved versatile players that can play more than one position, for example gordon, gv, davis and ryno. Both Bazz and Bennett could both be productive at 2 positions, bazz at SG and SF, Bennett at PF and SF.
Bennett - He is a phenominal player, he is nasty, so strong, very quick and throws down nasty dunks with authority, his jumpshot is very nice and he even has handles, i was watching him play about a month ago and watched him crossover a guard to get to the rack for the slam. Many experts are starting to project him as a SF but the only way I see that happening is if he goes to a purely zone defensive scheme team. Also if anyone is worried about his height, he is extremely athletic and has a 7ft wingspan, basically making him about 6"9 in reality. Now i was one of the ones absolutely against drafting Bennett because we already have Davis and Ryno but it got me to thinking of how awesome of a possible lineup it could be... you could do 3 things with this lineup:
1. With the league becoming smaller and quicker u can see true centers dying out and teams using power forwards as centers like the heat with bosh, the 76ers with Hawes,, Pistons with Monroe, Hawks with Horford, Spurs and celtics with duncan and KG. Ryno will never be a starter, he is a perfect 6th man and i believe thats what we brought him in for, 6th man, and 4th quarter minutes. So in todays NBA teams dont have SET rosters, u adapt to the team ur playing so when we do play these teams listed it would be no problem to have davis start at the 5 and bennett the 4.
2. Now lets say we sign someone like hickson to play center, so what about Bennett? You could use him against teams with less athletic SF's, people like gallanari, chandler parsons, he would have no problem sticking with them because he actually is quite quick and nimble for his size, but even if he couldnt hang its simple, u switch to a zone and tell him he only has to disrupt.
3. Let's say in fact Davis is still growing just like Monty said, he is 20, and a young 20 at that and is still growing, say in 3-4 years down the road Davis is in fact 7ft 240, and bennett hits 6"8 250, you could have davis and bennett as ur 4 and 5, which would be insane. So in next years draft say we land one of wiggins, parker or randle.
A lineup in 3-4 years of
jennings
gordon
wiggins, parker or randle
bennett
davis
would be disgustingly good.
Bazz - what u see is what u get, a pure scorer that can score in any which way possible and can create his own shot with ease, besides what people say I like his defense, love his killer instinct and his game is tailer made for the pro's. I also love that he is the best offensive rebounding guard in college hoops. I def see him being a 20-5 guy in the NBA.
If we draft Bazz and decide to trade Gordon we dont have to worry about getting less value for gordon by handicapping ourselves only trading gordon for another SG, with bazz able to play SG or SF we could trade gordon for the best possible player and have bazz play either or.
I also really like a lineup of
Jennings
Gordon
Bazz
Davis
Hickson
Better Fit: Anthony Bennett or Shabazz Muhammad?
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04-08-2013, 12:17 AMHornetGuruBetter Fit: Anthony Bennett or Shabazz Muhammad?
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04-08-2013, 12:46 AMnolaslim213
There is a 0% chance of us having a top-5 pick, let alone landing 1 of Wiggins, Parker, or Randle. Moreover, there are no teams in the NBA that run "purely zone," so that's a moot point. In the NBA, your position is what you can guard. If Monty and Demps think Bennett can guard NBA 3s, then I'd take him. If not, then I'm going to have to pass. Never mind the fact that the kid is allergic to hustle and defense.
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04-08-2013, 12:47 AMPantazis76
This is ridiculous we havent even ended this season and we are now talking about the 2014 draft???
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04-08-2013, 12:48 AMHornetGuruhow would u feel about jennings, gordon, bazz, davis, hickson?Quote:
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04-08-2013, 12:50 AMHornetGurugood Lord, im excited about how bright our future looks and how the thunder built there team and started with durant and it took time, if u dont wanna talk about what I put ur arent really being forced to comment.Quote:
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04-08-2013, 12:51 AMnolaslim213I'd love to add Hickson and Martell Webster this offseason. Hickson is a great rebounder, and Webster is a great 3-point shooter who plays solid defense. I'd rather Blesdoe than Jennings. We won't be able to afford Jennings and Hickson, so that isn't really possible as a lineup.Quote:
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Bledsoe, Gordon, Bazz, Davis, and Hickson is a real nice lineup IMO. -
04-08-2013, 12:53 AMHornetGuruid also love to get bledsoe but if we let lopez and aminu go saving 8 million we would have about 30 million in cap, more than enough to give jennings 15 mill and hickson 8, but i agree bledsoe gordon bazz davis hickson would be an awesome lineup!Quote:
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04-08-2013, 12:56 AMHornetGuruWho are u hoping we draft btw besides burke?Quote:
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04-08-2013, 12:59 AMHornetGuru
I just think bazz would be perfect next to gordon, finally giving gordon 1 on 1 match ups because no one respects aminu's outside game. bazz could have a paul pierce type of career, great scorer while being good enough at defending and rebounding. Plus he projects way better in the pro's than in college.
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04-08-2013, 01:04 AMnolaslim213
I don't see any way we just cut Lopez. At $5 million/year, he is one of the best bargains in the NBA. I'm not sure what Monty and Demps plan to do with Aminu. They have invested a lot of time into him, and he is only 22. Plus, when calculating the cap space we should have, you have to figure in cap holds, roster spot holds, and draft holds, and all of that cuts into the bottom line. I think we have more like $15-17 million, with out checking the numbers.
Who do I like in the draft? I like Porter a lot. He is a less athletic, more skilled, higher basketball I.Q. version of Paul George. I'd be thrilled with him. Plus, he basically carried a horrible Georgetown team all year to the #2 seed. That's impressive. -
04-08-2013, 01:05 AMnolaslim213I think that's why we drafted Rivers. He is going to be a real good pairing with Gordon, especially getting to the rim and running the break.Quote:
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04-08-2013, 01:25 AMHornetGuruI think Rivers would be a good fit next to Gordon but he has to increase his 3 ball shooting, rivers driving and kicking to Gordon for the 3 looks very nice, but on the opposite idk how confident I am with gordon driving and dishing to rivers for the shot yet but i fully expect rivers to get better at shooting. Still need to find a SF though, Porter would be great, like u said if we could get bledsoe having a team of bledsoe gordon porter davis hickson would be awesome.Quote:
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04-08-2013, 01:56 AMHornetGuru
just realized while porter is a sophmore he is only 19 and is younger than burke, bazz, mclemore, bennett, oladipo, and zeller. And is only 2 months older than marcus smart. He must have started college early.
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04-08-2013, 01:58 AMMeSoHornets504Quote:
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04-08-2013, 01:59 AMHornetGuruya I know, while being 18-19 and having the year he had this year, offensively, defensively, rebounding, passing and being clutch with a couple years under his belt he could be a force.Quote:
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04-08-2013, 02:11 AMHornetGuru
One thing that sucks is i dont think porter makes it to us, the cavs are really looking for a 2way SF since they have plenty of offense with kyrie and waiters, someone who can defend, rebound, and his the open shot would be a perfect fit for them. I still think the draft goes like this:
Bobcats - Noel
Magic - Smart
Cavs - Porter
Suns - McLemore
Pistons - Oladipo
Hornets - Shabazz
Kings - Bennett
T'wolves - Len
Thunder - Burke or Zeller
Wizards - GR3
hopefully the cavs go with shabazz and we land porter but i dont see it happening, maybe we get lucky in the lottery and land the 3rd pick. -
04-08-2013, 02:13 AMHornetGuru
Also I keep seeing tons of mocks having us reach for the greek kid giannis
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04-08-2013, 02:18 AMnolaslim213I understand your point about Rivers' shooting, and while I'd love to see him improve his form and consistency, I think his 3-point % was looking great before his injury. In the month of February (pre-injury), he was shooting the 3 at 46%. That's great.Quote:
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Yeah, that's one of the big reasons I like him. He is this skilled, and he is only 19.Quote:
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I don't get it either. Probably because he isn't an elite athlete, although he is still a very good one. I don't get it.Quote:
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04-08-2013, 02:21 AMHornetGuru
porter also averaged more points, rebounds, assists and blocks than mclemore while shooting the same 3pt% at 42%
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04-08-2013, 02:23 AMHornetGuruya i remember rivers looking very good from 3 after the break, plus he is a hard worker and young, he will be very good, and after researching more on porter, being younger than mclemore and less athletic he still out scored, rebounded, and assisted mclemore while also playing better D and shooting the same 3ball %. Im sold, hope he is there wen we pick, im starting to doubt it though.Quote:
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porter averaged 16-8-3 on a bad team while shooting 50% from the field, 42% from 3 and 75% from the FT. Thats impressive. -
04-08-2013, 02:24 AMSnarlyBetter Fit: Anthony Bennett or Shabazz Muhammad?He doesn't have a high ceiling. I will never mistake Porter for a franchise type of talent but he's going to a real good #3 option.Quote:
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Look at Kawhi Leonard and Chandler Parsons. They don't have huge ceilings but they are still very very skilled and productive.
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04-08-2013, 02:24 AMtakezor
Watched 1 or 2 games and some highlights of shabazz and was expecting much more from him just by reading many hyped comments on here saying we would be contenders with him next year.
I like his game though, he has good shoting mechanics, body building and is left handed.
His style, shoting and moves reminded me of Harden.
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04-08-2013, 02:29 AMSnarlyBetter Fit: Anthony Bennett or Shabazz Muhammad?Theres a huge flaw with the Harden comparison. Harden has great handles and is a multidimensional player. He can attack the basket, shoot, create, hustle, and rebound. Muhammad has displayed very little outside of scoring.Quote:
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04-08-2013, 02:29 AMMeSoHornets504As Slim said, Athleticism goes a lot farther in this league. Cerebral players don't get the respect they deserve, guys like Josh McRoberts are actually solid players who lack supreme athleticism. They won't be posterizing anybody, but they take smart shots, allow your team to create an excellent half-court offensive tempo by having people who can make the 'extra pass', and don't cost you possesions. It's really a Javale McGee vs. Joakim Noah kind of debate I guess. Freak Athlete vs. Smart player. In my book, the smart players may not exceed expectations but they rarely drop out of the league.Quote:
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04-08-2013, 02:32 AMHornetGuru
Otto Porter: 16pts-7.5reb-3ast 49% shooting 42% 3pt
Marcus Smart: 15.5pts-6reb-4ast 40% shooting 29% 3pt
Ben Mclemore: 16pts-5reb-2ast 49% shooting 42% from 3pt
Shabazz Muhammad: 18pts-5reb-1ast 44% shooting 38% 3pt
Trey Burke: 18.5pts-3reb-7ast 46% shooting 36% 3pt
Victor Oladipo: 13.5pts-6.5reb-2ast 60% shooting 44% 3pt
impressed the most by porter and oladipo.
crazy that oladipo is only 20 and is a junior and is younger than mclemore by a year who is 21 and bazz by 5 months who are both freshmen. -
04-08-2013, 02:34 AMHornetGuruYa i agree, i would take noah over mcgee any day.Quote:
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04-08-2013, 02:38 AMMeSoHornets504Yet, if they were in the same class I would have a feeling there would be a huge debate over which one to take. It's easy to say now that they are nearly complete prospects, that you would take Noah. Back then though, Mcgee's athletic abilities would have made him about as desirable of a prospect as Noah(who wasn't looked upon very well coming out of school). Otto Porter is basically Joakim Noah as a small forward. The next play he takes off will be his first kinda guy, who we do not have in anyone besides Vasquez right now.Quote:
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04-08-2013, 03:36 AMnikkoewan
I don't get the "JJ Hickson" love out here. I mean his individual advanced numbers look good (PER of 20, REB splits of 13/29/21, ORTG of 114). But for all his rebounding abilities, why is it that POR rebounds better when he's off the court?
According to most sites that provide on/off court splits, POR rebounds better when Hickson is OFF the floor. I'll go with NBAWowy.com since I know how he gets the info (play-by-play parsing, so it's actual rebounding percentage, not an estimate). Without Hickson, POR rebounds at a rate of 24.6/75.4/49.7. With Hickson, 26.4/71.9/45.2. That may speak to Hickson's inability to consistently box out his man. And the 5 players that play the most without Hickson on the court is the lineup featuring their starting five but replacing Hickson with Leonard -- who's a worse individual rebounder than Hickson.
Not to mention the fact that the amount of shots at the rim (meaning dunks, layups or tip-in) is higher when Hickson is ON the court, than off.
Amount of Dunks+Layups:
with JJ = 988 (or 26.4% of total attempts) where opponents make 63.3%.
without JJ = 644 (or 25.2% of total attempts) where opponents make 62.4%
The fact that according to 82games.com, POR is better off with Hickson NOT on the floor speaks something.
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04-08-2013, 03:47 AMnikkoewanAccording to Wiki,Quote:
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Oladipo's bday: May 4 1992
Mclemore's bday: Feb 11 1993
Muhammad's bday: Nov 13 1992
You're off on your proclamations (according to Wiki). Oladipo is about nine months older than the redshirted freshman McLemore and 6 months older than Muhammad. Yes? -
04-08-2013, 05:24 AMtakezorAs stated before, I haven't watched too much of shabazz but like you many ppl is saying so. Just comparing him cause of shoting and moving form, plus being left handed.Quote:
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04-08-2013, 08:23 AMHornetGuruHmm i just googled mclemore and it says his birthday is feb 11, 1992 making him 21. and another one saying he is born in 93, idk which is right.Quote:
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04-08-2013, 07:38 PMsmcgullI hope Noel falls in the draft, and the Pelicans draft him. The rookie they get, in this draft, will not get the team to the playoffs next year. Any veteran they get in free agency or with trades, will help get to the playoffs. So Noel can play in late next season.Quote:
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04-08-2013, 07:58 PMMr. WestQuote:
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I really hope we don't get Hickson as our 5, he cannot protect the rim. Even Portland's GM has said he was overmatched at center.
Here's a direct quote from Portlands GM (Neil Olshey) about JJ Hickson:
http://www.hoopsrumors.com/2013/04/o...on-center.htmlQuote:
What are the odds on keeping J.J. Hickson?
We have J.J.'S Bird Rights. He has a very high cap hold ($7.98MM). It's not just a question of whether you bring him back. It's within the context of … what positions would you not be able to bring in if you sign him? We are the worst team in the NBA in points in the paint and protecting the rim. We've been disguising J.J., who has been a warrior and played hard all year, but there's a certain reality to playing a 6-8 power forward as your 5-man. That's not an indictment of J.J. He has played out of position and done all we've asked him to do. But we've become a 3 (small forward) and rim type of league. We have the 3-man down. Now defensively, we have to protect the rim better.