Vasquez and the point guard Poll

What should be his future with the team?

1) Trade him for whatever you can get

2) Shop him for value but bring in a new starter

3) keep him but as a backup to a new starter let him play out his contract and see what he gets in RFA

4) keep him but as a backup to a new starter extend him this summer

5) Start him until Rivers can take over then trade him at the deadline

6) Keep him as the starting point guard let him play out his contract and see what he gets in RFA

7) Keep him as the starting point guard extend him this summer

Also check out the HR 2013 Redraft especially if you did it last year
http://www.pelicansreport.com/showth...52#post1058052

I'm not sure, I guess I'll vote at end of season. He just played a hell of a game against Cleveland but his defense against Irving was still bad.

3

Don't extend, look for a deal, keep as a starter until player with consistently better play can take over for him.

Not to hijack this thread but what do people think will happen to the following players?

Lopez - Both 2013/14 & 2014/15 will become fully guaranteed if Lopez is not waived on or before 5th July 2013.

Thomas - 2013/14 guaranteed if not waived on or before 1st of September 2013.

Miller - 2013/14 guaranteed if not waived on or before 27th of July 2013.

Roberts - 2013/14 guaranteed if not waived on or before 20th of July 2013

Roberts & Thomas get waived, Miller gets his contract picked up, and Lopez is depended upon how much cap space Dell needs.

Two. I was looking through box scores the other night and was just thrilled to see him getting 18-21 minutes a game off the bench. That's perfect for him, perfect. But I don't think he would accept that type of roll.

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Originally Posted by Tim Floyd

Roberts & Thomas get waived, Miller gets his contract picked up, and Lopez is depended upon how much cap space Dell needs.

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I really don't see any way that Lopez doesn't get picked up if he hasn't been traded yet. His contract is so good it'd be a shame to let him walk and get nothing for him. Even if he was used to just even out trades, that'd be something.

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Originally Posted by Tim Floyd

Roberts & Thomas get waived, Miller gets his contract picked up, and Lopez is depended upon how much cap space Dell needs.

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You really think Roberts gets waived? I think he gets extended.
Miller is a no brainer.
Lopez is questionable and Thomas looks like he is getting less and less minutes.

I still think unless we flip either Lopez or Vasquez on draft night I think we will start the 2013/14 season with something like:

Vasquez/Rivers/Roberts*
Gordon/2013 rookie
FA or 2013 rookie/Aminu/Miller
Davis/Anderson/Thomas*
Lopez/Smith/Amundson*

* Inactive roster players

3 I see no reason to force our own hand. Let's be patient and see how this plays out. We know he's not a starter. Draft or sign someone and place him in the backup role. This way his value drops when he becomes a RFA and that contract becomes more manageable.

I say 2. Value won't ever be higher than now.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

I really don't see any way that Lopez doesn't get picked up if he hasn't been traded yet. His contract is so good it'd be a shame to let him walk and get nothing for him. Even if he was used to just even out trades, that'd be something.

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Yes, I didn't factor in trading him. I was just speaking in terms of what to do with his contract if it was still on the books.

If you want to trade him, do it sooner. Overachievers aren't like fine wine.

Lol UNO must have voted for option #7

Two.

Burke.

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Originally Posted by Pelicans_fan_504

Lol UNO must have voted for option #7

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I voted #5, what did you vote?

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Originally Posted by Eman5805

If you want to trade him, do it sooner. Overachievers aren't like fine wine.

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Agreed the "wait and see" method rarely pans out. When trading it's better to be proactive. There are a bunch of bad to terrible FO people in the league. Who may only focus on box scores and see some long term potential in GV. It's strike while the iron is hot time.

Strike while the iron is hot, sure. But he has been progressing every year in the league. Let him grow for a bit longer until Rivers or a rookie are ready, then trade him. If your looking to build a title contender he at least gives you a great option off the bench. And for that hold on to him and trade him when the market is right. There is still a bit more for him to grow into before we move him (better shooting, better passing).

He's not any better from last season. He's just getting more minutes. Trade him while his value his high, especially if someone like Burke is drafted.

Actually his per last year was 14.27. This year his per is up to 16.57. He is getting better, and I am sure he was expecting to share the load entering the season. That said, this summer you can probably count on him working on his game and improving on some aspect (he has done it every year so far).

Who knows, maybe next year he has his Steve Nash year 3 breakout season.

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

I voted #5, what did you vote?

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I voted for #2

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Originally Posted by Pelicans_fan_504

I voted for #2

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Before I voted a box saying that my vote would be viewed showed up, making me believe everyone could see what number I picked. I guess I misread the message, and it only shows the "number" of votes rather than "who" voted.

You can just click the #

I guess I am more surprised how x amount of people (I say x because I am sure the number will rise) who will trade him for whatever. While I am sure some people are logical in having at least a set price before they trade GV, the majority are blinded by the fact that he isn't CP3 so they will take whatever snake oil sent their way to get rid of him. I pitty our next starting pg as I am sure he will receive the same amount of flack.

I vote 4

but only if the extension isnt that much, Vasquez and Anderson leading our bench will be nice

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Originally Posted by janjanjanjan3

I vote 4

but only if the extension isnt that much, Vasquez and Anderson leading our bench will be nice

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My problem with this is we can worry about the bench later. We need a core first. Will Gordon want to stick around and if so can we count on him to be healthy? Is Rivers going to develop into a starter? Is Davis going to become a superstar? We don't know. So we should be trying our best to acquire players that are young, driven, and talented until we can say with a high level of probability what our championship caliber core will be moving forward. Then we build the bench.

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

My problem with this is we can worry about the bench later. We need a core first. Will Gordon want to stick around and if so can we count on him to be healthy? Is Rivers going to develop into a starter? Is Davis going to become a superstar? We don't know. So we should be trying our best to acquire players that are young, driven, and talented until we can say with a high level of probability what our championship caliber core will be moving forward. Then we build the bench.

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So every player who we don't feel comfortable with moving forward as of today should be in play for trading purposes.

I'll eiliminate #1 & 2- I understand the "trade Vasquez while he's hot" argument, but you have to factor in his salary- he's only scheduled to make $2.1 next year. You never trade someone who's outplaying his salary by as much as GV, because there's no chance at getting an equal return.

I'm wondering if we extend him then possibly trade him once his new cap numbers kick in, to get more value. I don't think he's the long term solution, but trading him now is basically giving him away, unless we can work a multiple player/team deal.

Purple Haze:

What do you think about Rivers? What if we pass on Burke come draft night? Do you think Rivers is the future at the position or the FO thinks that?

Who here would furious if we took Noel over Burke? I'd probably be kinda upset. We always say BPA, but we don't know (esp. this year) what the BPA will be in the front offices eyes.

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Purple Haze:

What do you think about Rivers? What if we pass on Burke come draft night? Do you think Rivers is the future at the position or the FO thinks that?

Who here would furious if we took Noel over Burke? I'd probably be kinda upset. We always say BPA, but we don't know (esp. this year) what the BPA will be in the front offices eyes.

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No real way to tell what their actual thoughts would be on the matter, but one would have to assume that if they pass on Smart and Burke then they think Rivers will be the future. But they'd probably argue otherwise and say they simply had Noel/Oladipo/whoever rated higher.

I've said before that I have Noel higher than Burke, I'd be totally fine with us taking Noel over Burke. But unless we're top 3 that's just not happening imo.

I think that Rivers is the wildcard here....I am sure that Burke is someones point guard of the future, but is he ours? To me, so much depends on how our organization views the future of Austin, although I personally feel that Burke brings some things to the table that makes him the more attractive choice at the point....

I could see this team making a crucial mistake being blinded by the stuff GV does well, this making them overlook all of his problems.

I chose number three though because I think Greivis is a real glue guy. Like a Nick Collison. Someone who sticks around and provides constant leadership as well as great play when asked. Collison stays humble and realizes his role and that they're are guys better than him in front of him. That's where one has to ask if Greivis is willing to do that once he's felt like what it is to be a starter. Winning MIP in a career year and being denoted to backup may not sit too well with him. Hell, it wouldn't sit well with me either.

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

So every player who we don't feel comfortable with moving forward as of today should be in play for trading purposes.

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Absolutely.

Are you going to begin planning a life with someone before you are married or even dating? Yeah you can have an idea of what you want and that guides where and how you look for a spouse and what you pursue. But you don't make any firm commitments just because she looks hot..

I chose 1 because I don't think he sees himself as a bench player. So trade while the fire is hot to upgrade a position but ONLY if we can upgrade a position.

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Originally Posted by DefensiveMind

Absolutely.

Are you going to begin planning a life with someone before you are married or even dating? Yeah you can have an idea of what you want and that guides where and how you look for a spouse and what you pursue. But you don't make any firm commitments just because she looks hot..

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And to take this admittedly awkward analogy one step further... Anthony Davis, Ryan Anderson and Eric Gordon are the collective bride in this instance. Does that scream championship? Are you willing to go get a 30 year mortgage with that core?

I love Davis, but he needs a posse first before we get "hitched" to this core. I love Anderson, but is Davis secretly true 4. Will that change? And we all know the questions surrounding Gordon. Yeah.. I can't plan a life...er build a bench until I know what kinda spouse...er I mean core I have.


/okayIwillnevercomparemyteamtomarriageagainyesIgoti t.



/man card reactivated.


ETA: and to actually respond to the original post. Vasquez has played himself into an asset that can be flipped for something else that can be a part of our core. I see no long term value in him unless we can get him extremely cheap. His only contritbution, in my opinion, is not his 14 pts or 9 assists or dbl-dbl numbers or his potential MIP. He is the leader of 30 win team. Those numbers are empty to me. What makes me happy is that he is doing this on a cheap contract in a punative tax salary cap environment. He is due for a raise...and I have no proof that he can contribute like this on teams whose expectations should be due for a raise. That bothers me.

I voted 3 but I could have voted Option 2 as well. Whoever chose option 1 must have done it out of spite. Why would you trade him for WHATEVER YOU CAN GET??? This is Vasquez not Xavier Henry. You want actual value not whatever someone throws at you for an MIP candidate. If someone throws trash at you, then you could probably get the same trash in free agency. It just seems pointless to trade just for the heck of it.

I'm sorry, it has to be 1,2,5. Let's face it, after a season like this, GV sees himself as a starting PG. Hell, Monty may even see him as a starting PG. One thing is for certain though, he is not a starting PG (on any sort of reasonably decent team). We need to move forward sooner rather than later and stop feeding someone (who shouldn't be in our long term plans) playing time.

#2. Really hoping the veteran piece they add is a 1 or 3. And testing the waters is smart, GV's value may never be higher.