We've been talking about trying to sign Pekovic a lot on this board, and I for one liked him assuming the deal was within a 7-8 million dollar range. But it's seeming increasingly likely that he's going to command 10+ and stay with the Wolves (KAHNNN!), which is not worth it. The reason I loved Pek was him being able to let AD stay at the 4, which i believe is his best position (i know some disagree), and his ability to score in the post and take on larger defenders so Davis wouldn't get manhandled underneath.
When I look at Jefferson, I see a guy who can do all of that, as well as hit the 15 footer and grab defensive rebounds (24.6 Defensive rebounding % good for 15th all time) unlike our current starting 5. I guess my point is, if we're even going to consider giving a guy like Pek 9 a year, wouldn't out money be spent better handing Al a 4 year 12 a year deal and getting someone better at pretty much everything? what do you guys think?
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03-09-2013, 10:38 AMBallSoHardAl Jefferson
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03-09-2013, 11:05 AMMr. Mojo
I dig it. Would we really only have to give him 4 mil a year though? Seems a bit low.
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03-09-2013, 11:08 AMEmilio
I think he said 12 mil a year, for four years, which seems very fair I believe.
I've been a Jefferson fan since he entered the league so of course I'm board with singing him. -
03-09-2013, 11:08 AMbojangles837Al Jefferson
He's saying 12 mil a year
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03-09-2013, 11:11 AMKibner
If you think Lopez is bad at PnR defense...
I like the guy and love his offensive skills. Just not sure how well he would fit here. -
03-09-2013, 11:58 AMMr. MojoOh my bad. Yeah that sounds about right though. Im still aboard for that price tag. Pek too. I would be more than happy with eitherQuote:
Originally Posted by Emilio
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03-09-2013, 12:20 PMGeauxPelicansExactly what I was thinking. He's a huge liability on defense and if Davis is going to stay at the 4, then how is Anderson and him supposed to each play 32+ min a game?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kibner
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03-09-2013, 12:26 PMBallSoHardAl Jefferson
Anderson can get 39 a game pretty easily.
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03-09-2013, 12:27 PMBallSoHardAl Jefferson
30
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03-09-2013, 12:38 PMGeauxPelicansOk, so Al Jeff comes and plays 32, Ryan plays 32, and that leaves Smith and Davis to split the other 34 4/5 mins? No thanks, we need a 3 man big rotation. Davis, Anderson and ?????? I wouldn't mind Al Jeff at all, but we'd have to improve on D at the 1,2, and 3 positions. If your 5 is your weakest defensive link, you're gonna have a hard time winning a basketball game.Quote:
Originally Posted by BallSoHard
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03-09-2013, 12:47 PMBallSoHardSo your big no in this deal is bc Jason Smith's minutes are limited? Interesting. Also our biggest link is our point guard by far, with or without Jefferson. Thanks for the input though, i just wanted to see the general consensus.Quote:
Originally Posted by GeauxPelicans
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03-09-2013, 12:53 PMramsters60
I have echoed your feelings about Jefferson in the past.....Personally, I would like to see us target either he or Hickson
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03-09-2013, 01:28 PMGeauxPelicansNo, all I mean is we need a 3 man big rotation and 2 of them are already here. Davis and Anderson will hopefully be here a long time. We need to add a C who plays good defense and rebounds well. Al Jeff doesn't play good defense, so I'd rather spend the 12 million elsewhere, but I wouldn't be upset if we added him. Al, Davis and Anderson all playing roughly 32-33 min a night would be a good big rotation.Quote:
Originally Posted by BallSoHard
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03-09-2013, 01:36 PMPelsFan2313We also need a big man who can create his own offense and get us easy buckets. Jefferson would give us that. Honestly, I believe Jefferson would be a better fit than Pek. 12M per is a bit more than I'd like to throw at him, but that's probably what it would take given th nature of FA.Quote:
Originally Posted by GeauxPelicans
I would be all for it. -
03-09-2013, 04:15 PMAUSSIE_PELICAN
I'd rather sign Hickson to a 3 year deal for 18 to 20M, but where does another big fit in?
We need a big who can rebound and take the big bodies.
Pek and Al will command too much and our problem is our perimeter defence so neither Pek nor Al will make up for that.
If the Pels sign any big this season I hope it's Hickson. He can play both positions if needed.
Then at the deadline you make the cut as to who is the least required big.
Smith, Lopez or Hickson.
My bet is Lopez maybe even on draft night.
I say they don't sign another big but I expect Smith to miss most of October and some of November
before he's back to himself. Hickson might be a good signing until Smith comes back and depending
on how Lopez and Hickson have gone then one of them could be traded for asset we require or packaged. -
03-09-2013, 04:16 PMAUSSIE_PELICAN
Dbl post sorry
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03-09-2013, 08:13 PMUNO Gracias
Go and give him 12 mil a year....when you buy a team. We don't need him here. The reason the Jazz no longer want him (and Jazz fans hate him) is because he doesn't play defense. He can get a rebound, but if you hate GV's def, you will be getting Dutch Dolores by both of them next year. If you had proposed this idea 4 years ago, yeah maybe you could have taught him some defense, but old dogs don't learn new tricks, and he is set in his ways.
Funny, I lived in Utah when the Jazz got rid of Boozer and brought Jefferson in, and the fans hated it, because they got a less injured version of the same guy. You would need Davis to step up his defensive game big time to compensate for this guys defensive inability. -
03-09-2013, 08:38 PMBallSoHardLOL, so much wrong with this post. Go and give him 12 mill when i buy a team? You're really turning into a troll, one in which i will not feed.Quote:
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03-09-2013, 08:41 PMUNO Gracias
That's your retort? I'm a troll? Well... I guess when you have nothing to say, you have to start calling people names.
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03-09-2013, 08:44 PMBallSoHard
Oh I have one, but it's wasting breath. Like i said, i won't feed you.
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03-09-2013, 08:45 PMUNO Gracias
Please do give a retort other than troll. I am starting to think conversing with you is pointless.
Talk about Jefferson great defense. -
03-09-2013, 08:49 PMUNO Gracias
I am content with being rid of GV for the right price if it nets us a guy with both avg. def and avg. off, but neither of those are Jefferson.
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03-09-2013, 09:33 PMHornetGuru
While jefferson is a beast in the post and rebounding he takes a high volume of shots and is a terrible defender and is only 6"10 he really is a power forward, if he was beter at D i would def say yes
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03-09-2013, 10:22 PMnolaslim213Sadly, I have to agree... He even found a way to work Vasquez into his post :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by BallSoHard
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03-09-2013, 10:27 PMnolaslim213
By the way, I see a lot of stereotyping in this thread, but Al Jefferson is a totally decent defender. Last year, his defensive rating was 103, and this year it's 104 - very respectable numbers for an offensively minded big. He also shoots a TS% of 52.3%, which is very respectable/good considering the volume he shoots. His TO% is great (means he doesn't turn the ball over), and his WS/48 is terrific at .150 (even better last year at .173).
My only problem with him is I don't know what we'd do in late game situations with Jefferson, Davis, and Anderson. I can't see us spending on a big man like that who would expect to play late game situations. That's why I like J.J. Hickson, because he can give us great minutes, but wouldn't be in late. -
03-09-2013, 10:36 PMUNO GraciasIn the sense of getting rid of him for his inability to play defense, but I see your point.Quote:
Originally Posted by nolaslim213
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03-09-2013, 10:45 PMUNO GraciasQuote:
Originally Posted by nolaslim213
The Jazz sit him in the crunch, and have dropped his minuets every season he has been with them. It's understandable with Millsap, Favors, and Kanter, but the guy is more hype than substance.
So posts David Lock (radio voice of the jazz)
David Locke @Lockedonsports
Jazz defensive rating this year with Al Jefferson off the floor is 96.8. In contrast it is 108.0 with him on the floor.
10:33 PM - 04 Mar 13
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03-09-2013, 10:55 PMImpose
Don't like Jefferson, we really only need a guy around the Jason Smith talent range to round out our front court (for injury insurance.) We desperately need AD to become a legit first option on offense as Gordon is IMO best suited to second option. Would love a Kawhi Leonard clone SF and Mike Conley clone PG:
Mike Conley / Rivers
Eric Gordon / Henry?
Kawhi Leonard / Aminu
AD / Ryno
Lopez / J Smith
That team would beast right now, thats the type of build I hope they go for. Obviously not those exact players, but guys with similar skillsets / athletic ability. -
03-09-2013, 11:21 PMBallSoHardYeah but hoping Davis will become a 1 scoring option anytime in the near future is a wish and a prayer at this point. It will take through his rookie contract for him to add the needed size/skill to be able to be considered a #1 scoring option IMO. I think Lopez is a fit to be a bench player due to his poor defensive rebounding ability.Quote:
Originally Posted by Impose
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03-09-2013, 11:26 PMBallSoHardI'm not sure what you do there as well, but i'd assume you'd ride the hot hand between Anderson/ Jefferson or if you're playing a Bynum/Dwight you just stay w Davis and Jeff.Quote:
Originally Posted by nolaslim213
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03-09-2013, 11:26 PMdonato
I think we can do better. Be patient.
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03-10-2013, 08:57 AMKibnerNo, DRTG is a bad stat to use when gaging individual defensive competence (there is no good individual defensive stat, btw). He is real super bad at help defense. He rotates terribly and doesn't challenge the shot of people going to the rim. He is almost Amare bad at defense.Quote:
Originally Posted by nolaslim213
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03-10-2013, 02:01 PMspeedyG
I wouldnt mind him but I dont think he will be worth the $$ he will probably get
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03-10-2013, 02:05 PMHornetGuruAgree 100%Quote:
Originally Posted by donato
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03-10-2013, 02:11 PMBallSoHardThat's cool. I'm not saying we should, just think he fixes a lot of things we're struggling with. His defense is a concern though.Quote:
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03-11-2013, 12:12 PMhornetsfan1970
I am a Big Fan of Big Al, since i watch him play in High school in Mississippi. I think the best way is to Sign and trade deal for Big Al, get rid of Eric Gordon and Lopez for Al and Milsap, Next Trade jason Smith to PHX for Duley
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03-11-2013, 12:13 PMhornetsfan1970I agree but he will learn under Monty.Quote:
Originally Posted by BallSoHard
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03-11-2013, 12:15 PMhornetsfan1970We will Never get Leonard ( hope i am wrong) But Spuds love his game!! We need to get rid of lopez!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Impose
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03-11-2013, 01:32 PMGeauxPelicansAl and Milsap? Then what do we do with the face of our franchise? Bring him off the bench?Quote:
Originally Posted by hornetsfan1970
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03-11-2013, 02:59 PMhornetsfan1970No, Davis is the face here. But with Al in the Middle with a post Game and davis hitting the boards. milsap will come off the bench at the #3 spot!Quote:
Originally Posted by GeauxPelicans
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03-11-2013, 03:26 PMEmilio
Millsap? there are better ways to spend our money. Besides, I don't think it would be wise to pay him what he is going to command just to bring him off the bench. We already have Anderson who fills the scoring 6th man role just fine.
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03-11-2013, 07:48 PMspeedyGQuote:
Originally Posted by hornetsfan1970
I would love if we got Dudley on this team, perfect floor spacer and role player