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When did we trade our 2nd rounder to Toronto?
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Originally Posted by HORNETSFAN
The New Orleans Hornets announced today that they have acquired forward Aaron Williams from the Toronto Raptors in exchange for second round picks in 2006 and 2009.
http://www.nba.com/news/hornets_williams_060131.html
Note: The pick is now with San Antonio because they traded Rasho Nesterovic to Toronto for the pick.
is aaron williams going to be on the roster this year? he will help with a big body hes very strong
21st pick ain't too bad. Hopefully they'll pick up a C with future talent.
what? the trade went down over 3 years ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thechosen1
ooo my mistake misread somethingQuote:
Originally Posted by DiMaggio dunks
Here's a list of some of the 21st picks in NBA Draft history
Michael Finley
Don Kojis
Jerry Sloan
Billy Knight
Jayson Williams
Other names...
Daequan Cook
Ricky Davis
Boris Diaw
Jeff Foster
Jon Barry
Nate Robinson
Dejuan Blair is projected to go late 1st....would be a good backup to West
I'll take a capable backup big to give us depth or a young point guard to backup CP3. Dejuan Blair, Jrue Holiday, Jeff Teague. I won't take B.J Mullens though, I smell another Hilton.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tmon818
It sucks we don't have a second, but thats what you get with the blind leading the team.
i like Blair from a rebounding aspect, but he has no game outside of 5 feet from the basket. I think the kid from Notre Dame would fit more into a David West role. He can take it inside and out and he can board. He did well against bigs like Thabeet. Luke HarongodyQuote:
Originally Posted by Tmon818
I don't know about anyone else, but I want a guy who can get to the rim and can create his own shot. Our 2nd unit seems tailor made for a guy like that.
Marcus Thornton fits the bill.
Depending on who is there, I would trade back. We need as much new talent as we can get. What we have now needs to be pushed.
trade back to where? we're 21 as it is. this isn't like the nfl with a bunch of rounds. the only picks that has any worth in the second round are usually the first 7. thats if they are players who will be on the opening day roster and not international prospects who decide to stay in europe for another season or two. if there isn't a player we like at 21 there won't be one after that.Quote:
Originally Posted by UNO Gracias
if there isn't a player we like at 21 trade back. Get as many players in here as you can.
exactly trading down might make more sense for the hornets, as non guaranteed contracts for second rounders.
maybe our 21st for portlands 32 and 38
or our 21st for detroits 36 and 39, or 36 and 44
I think we should trade back for the exact reasons. I'll take Portlands or Detroits picks.Quote:
Originally Posted by ryan2709
We MIGHT be able to get Jonny Flynn with the 21st pick and if we can, I think we have to do it. Daniels is on his last leg and we need someone to kind of mirror CP3s athleticism at the point coming off the bench. Right now, Chad Ford has Flynn coming off the board between 15-25. Another backup pg to look into would be Patrick Mills from St. Marys who gave Team USA fits in the Olympic process (he played for Australia). He is very athletic and quick, but a broken wrist cost him a large portion of last year.
Some of the other names mentioned (Harangody, Thornton) are going to be 2nd round picks most likely and would be good options if we acquired another pick.
JEAGUE, albiet 6'3 is ready to pester and pressure western conference powers right now w/paul.
Terrance Williams or Chase Biidinger would be our 1st legit SG throughout Paul's career.
Jrue Holiday is a future westbrook, but who has the time.
Craig Bracking would help. Dejuan Blair would help immediately cause rebounds translate better than anything from college to the NBA.
Mullens, does have the size, mobility, and skills to be one of the 1st 'projects' to ever work. He's young, and can do it all; but we would have to wait
We need a PG, SG, and/or PF... so BPA?
Edit: If we pick up Chris Wilcox this offseason, then draft a player who is listed as a PG/SG (Jeff Teague, Tyreke Evans, Stephen Curry, or strictly a 2 guard like Gerald Henderson or Terrance Williams)
Chase Budinger is actually pretty athletic. He played volleyball aside from basketball, so he can move around at the drop of a dime.
he also has not shown a reluctance to take over and play with a motor. seems disinterested at sometimes. his talent is not questioned. his defense is another story.Quote:
Originally Posted by UNO Gracias
James Harden- SG
Wille Warren- SG
Brandon Jennings- PG
Tyreke Evans- PG/SG
Demar Derozan- SG/SF
Jeff Teague- PG/SG
Gerald Henderson- SG
Stephen Curry= PG/SG
Ty Lawson- PG
Dejuan Blaire- PF
Terrance Williams- SG/SF
Jrue Holiday- PG/SG
Wayne Ellington- SG
Any will do. :) I want Evans or Teague.
we should go for Patrick Mills from St. Marys, he is the next tony parker
While those are good players, most will be gone by 21.Quote:
Originally Posted by WhyHornetsWhy
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Originally Posted by Paul Overt
if he is there he is the #1 choice.
but not all ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by NIH
Moot point as we'll probably end up selling the pick. Even if we do draft a warm body its not like Scott will be interested in developing/playing him anyway.
Some mocks drafts have us taking Patterson or Blaire. Please say no to undersize fowards.
We should go for Patrick Mills, Jeff Teague, Chase Budinger, Gerald Henderson, Stephen Curry or Jrue Holiday.
Rubio was left off the list above(its ok, he will be long gone by our pick)
i watched alot of acc ball this year and davidson(but who didnt..steph was on espn all year)
henderson would be a nice addition as hes a good slasher, with a good midrange shot and can shoot the three. he needs to work on ball handling a bit.
ellington is a spot up shooter and we dont need anymore of those.
Steph or lawson, will not fall to 21
jeff teague could be that "pargo" kind of player for us. hes offensive minded(smaller than cp3) i was impressed with him except in crunch time and he kinda just disappears.
James johnson -pf-wake-not listed above is pretty solid. hes listed at 6-8 and he doesnt look it. however, he does play big offensively..seems to like defensive motiviation.
hansbrough- this guy has a motor, is pretty solid in the post(he doesnt pass out of the post and if he does, its not a good pass) hes undersized. kinda see him going the laettner route.(great college player) not soo good in the nba.
We don't need youth! Selling the pick is the right thing to do! We're going for it all now and we can't have a rookie messing up the chemistry!Quote:
Originally Posted by dome patrol
You're being sarcarstic, right? Cause ... If you think we will win it all next season, I got a bridge in Brooklyn I have for sale ...Quote:
Originally Posted by ULsaint
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Originally Posted by ULsaint
even joking like this should be against the law
teague would be nice
we should draft a guy who's proven he can play in college, more than 1 or 2 years. Henderson would be amazing, but i think he'll be gone by 21.
Yeah, he's being sarcastic. That was the corporate line we were all given last year when they sold the draft pick.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheBigEasy
Here we go again with all the positive comments [sarcasm off]. Please explain how a late 2nd round pick would contribute on our (or any) teamQuote:
Originally Posted by UNO Gracias
Gilbert Arenas, that's how. 2nd rounders can become All-Stars, it happens sometimes.Quote:
Originally Posted by BTR2ATX
:hihi: now we're just getting stupid. the number of 2nd round failures outnumbers the 1st round failures. knowing this franchise's drafting history of late, i'd rather them still have a shot at drafting one good person than 2 projects.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eman5805
The only Hornets 2nd round pick since 2002 that's even played in the league somewhat is Brandon Bass. They're terrible in the 2nd round but then again that's probably a product of having three scouts. They probably pick a name out of the hat for 2nd round picks.
Yeah, because I clearly didn't mention it only happening SOMETIMES in my original post...>_>Quote:
Originally Posted by DiMaggio dunks
I prefer to think they stick the names on a board then throw darts. :huh2:Quote:
Originally Posted by NIH
It's stunning to me how inept the scouts on this team are. You could pick 5 people from this board, pay them $100 and a case of beer each, and they could probably draft better than our "expert" scouts.Quote:
Originally Posted by NIH
I could see having three good, experienced scouts but we don't. They've proven inept time and again in the draft and in finding FA steals. The Hornets have to have the lowest amount of scouts in the league. Because of the skeleton staff, the team has no real presence in Europe or the D-league. Both are ways teams like SA, Utah, L.A, etc. have kept their rosters stocked with young and cheap talent. The Hornets really are an archaic franchise compared to the rest of the league.
I know there is a list of 2nd round success stories, but for the most part 2nd round guys rarely make the playing rosters.Quote:
Originally Posted by NIH
We also don't draft all that bad ... CP, West, Wright were all drafted. We have had some bad picks but for the most part the Hornets do a decent job in the draft. I don't care what happens in the 2nd round, I just want a first rounder that is ready to play. He doesn't need to be a starter, but he has to be someone will can bring off the bench every game.
For the record I was not against selling our draft pick last season, I just don't have a lot of faith in the draft. I will always feel that an established vet is better than a potential project. That said, I was no cheerleader for the franchise ... but I honestly didn't see the travesty in selling it.
CP was a no miss kind of guy, he wasn't going to drop below 4 no matter how Milwaukee, Atlanta, Utah, and New Orleans had been arranged.
West was certainly a good pick and I give the Hornets a ton of credit there, but the drafting lately has been atrocius.
The Hornets had two lottery picks in 2006 and they drafted two guys who haven't come close to panning out in Hilton/Simmons. Wright is very talented but it's pretty clear he is kinda dumb and he's the worst kind of guy to draft on a Byron Scott team. Not one 2nd round pick has started a game for the New Orleans Hornets and that right there says it all.
2nd rounders/late 1st round picks don't have a high rate of sucess but the teams I mentioned above have good scouts and have found steals.
That's the kind of thinking that got us into this mess. Young guys bring different problems, but they're cheap and a lot of times they can make up for rookie mistakes with solid play and energy.Quote:
For the record I was not against selling our draft pick last season, I just don't have a lot of faith in the draft. I will always feel that an established vet is better than a potential project. That said, I was no cheerleader for the franchise ... but I honestly didn't see the travesty in selling it.
the hornets didn't work out julian and drafted him on bpa. thats a gamble unless you are going to find a way to implement him or give him a specific role. julian is a roamer or player without a position. if you let him roam he will give you a mixture of rebounds, junk points, assists, blocks,steals, and losts of energy. in a structured system or half court game he struggles because his shot is not there and his indecisiveness in the offense in not knowing if he wants to drive or shoot makes him a liability if things are not going right. he needs consistent minutes to really make a difference.
True, it's just my opinion. If you have a good GM you can be playoff level every year and not constantly building towards something in the future. The best option is a mixture of both like you see in SA.Quote:
Originally Posted by NIH
Yeah, the key is to get a good mixture of both like Boston, L.A, SA, and Cleveland all have. These teams all have strong vets to keep the rookies in line as well.