https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ONqp7iWrLBg
He will not be staying healthy long term if he doesn't cut down on the weight
Him and the front office need to figure this out
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ONqp7iWrLBg
He will not be staying healthy long term if he doesn't cut down on the weight
Him and the front office need to figure this out
It sucks cause he probably was working hard during the off season which is a step forward but gets hurt which is unfortunate and takes a harden step back in his development because of it... i feel sorry for this young man
Hopefully he’s layering. Like with at least four sweatshirts.
I wouldn't be surprised. Reminds me of how everyone and their mother thought James Harden had gained 40lbs during his final season with the Rockets and then he went to Brooklyn and immediately looked more trim, and it was so bad that a bunch of people assumed Harden was wearing a fat suit. Here's an article about it, with pictures of Harden looking night and day literally just days apart.
https://thesportsrush.com/nba-news-d...s-to-the-nets/
We had a bunch of reports, including from people on this board who had been to games, who had seen Zion up close as recently as the last week or two, and they all reported that he looked fine. While obviously distance and clothing can obscure things, which is more likely: Zion is working out in layers (we can literally see at least two layers, given the hoodie and the undershirt) or that he's gained like 25lbs in the last fortnite?
He's probably a bit out of shape given how little he's played and his minimal his workouts have been for a while, but some people on Twitter have been like ''OMFG ZION WEIGHS 350LBS??!?!?'' and the answer to that is just a clear no, don't be stupid.
I can understand how he may have become depressed by it all and turned to food to cope and I feel for him on that but I'm w/ da Throne on this one, a part of his job is to take care of his body and even w/ injury (maybe moreso) you have to do this. Zion has to learn discipline so no I don't feel sorry for him. I feel sorry for the rest of team and the city b/c we still wait for winning basketball.
That was me being nice to zion...im probably one of the guys that have been critical about his weight and have been disappointed in him in regards to that ever since he came in the league. As dominant as he was the past seasons, he could have been much better if he maintained his Duke weight or at least not get it too far off from that.... those gained weight are probably the reasons why he gets hurt/injured as well... he still has time in his hands but it has to start now and be really serious if he wants to be great and have a long career...
I agree here.
Whatever his Duke weight was around halfway through his college season (he started off a little bigger at the beginning of the year and slimmed a bit as the season went on) is what I envision when I picture Zion at his best condition.
Now obviously the training staff know more than we do and have better insight, so I trust them to have the right things in mind, but it's also up to Zion to listen to them. I can't remember entirely, so I might be wrong, but I feel like there was a thing where the team wanted to assign him a chef and stuff like that but his family said that they didn't need that and that they'd hire their own? Am I totally misremembering that?
If that is true and not just something I imagined, that's the kind of thing that should stop imo. Get a personal trainer for offseasons, get a chef who works with the team to come up with the right balances, truly lock in. I know it's hard going against family, but sometimes you do have to just assert yourself against that.
Lol! He's wearing a hoodie with the pockets in front to put your hands in. They always look baggy in the front like that. People are ridiculous
Eh, I think he might be carrying a bit of extra weight, but I don't think it's nearly as much as some people are thinking. Like I mentioned earlier, people have seen him at the games and reported that he looks to be in good shape - why wouldn't we believe them?
If he's 10lbs over what you'd want him to be, then we shouldn't really be surprised. He's only been working out intensely for like 3 weeks after a long injury recovery period, I'd be surprised if he had remained in tip-top condition through all of that. It's really hard to stay in shape without being able to do proper workouts.
He'll be fine imo
I'm sure he put on a little weight when he couldn't run but some of the hyperbole around him is just annoying.
On the bright side the team looks like they are on the right path at least in terms of effort. It's a welcome sight. We haven't seen this much hustle since Dan Dickau was playing point for the hustle bunch. The difference is that we now have two all stars that will hopefully be added to these guys hopefully sooner than later.
Not fat? Then what is it? Beer belly?
I was at the arena Friday night sitting close to the Pels bench. He looks big, and not in a good way. My date even commented on it and she doesn’t even really follow the team. Conservatively he’s 20-30 pounds over his playing weight from last year, to say nothing of his Duke days. Maybe it can come off fast, but right now he doesn’t look anywhere close to playing shape….
If you saw it with your own eyes and the news is not good, then your eyes were mistaken. His clothes were baggy or multi layered. Or perhaps you and your date have a vision/alcohol issue. I can go on and on for the reasons you are wrong. HOWEVER, if you have a first hand account of him looking good, moving good, etc. than your story is valid and everything will be fine/great.
C'mon, learn the rules!
A friend of mine saw Zion at AMC 20 looking big, not in a good way. She said he had like 3 different candies and a large ICEE.
So then you've got the question, because you guys are saying that you saw him and he looked huge, PELICANSFAN said he saw Zion at a game like 2 weeks ago and he looked fine. So obviously you have to go on what you saw in person, but for anyone who wasn't there, it's conflicting reports. Am I supposed to believe PELICANSFAN and co, or am I supposed to believe new city champ and co?
For me, I'm reserving judgement until I see him play. Conflicting reports + imperfect media coverage means there's nothing else I can do unless I want to pointlessly die on a hill for something I cannot possibly know.
just to be clear, we all accept this is Mac at this point, right? damn, mans had me fooled for a minute, the genius strikes twice
Willie Green says Zion Williamson had his scans done on his foot. He's cutting, doing some work on the floor.
— Will Guillory (@WillGuillory) November 1, 2021
He still isn't cleared to do any 5-on-5 work. The plan is for him to get another round of scans in 2-3 weeks that'll free him up to be a full participant in practice.
This is absurd. More scans in 3 weeks to see *if* he can practice? That'll be 15 weeks for an injury with an average recovery time of 10 weeks. And that's *if* he's cleared to practice.
Either there have been complications in his recovery/rehab, or he didn't have the surgery before Summer League as we were told. Either way, the fact that we don't know is a communication failure from the team.
Assuming he's fully cleared in 3 weeks, then has a week of practice before getting back into games, I assume we're talking about Zion returning sometime around the beginning of December. That'll probably be on a minutes restriction.
the start of 2022 for the full zion game mins...
it is true. His family is weird, i kinda pushed against that notion for a while, tried to give him the benefit of the doubt, but at this point it's just undeniable. It's honestly not normal. His mom is his nutritionist and his dad is his personal trainer. That's not normal. I don't even understand why his parents would decline to let the team hire professionals to fill those roles for Zion. That's the first time i've ever heard of that frankly for a professional athlete. People in the city who've seen Zion here and there tell stories of how much his stepfather presides over his life. And Zion doesn't seem to care too much. I don't know what to make of it.
Over babying him and having trust issues that either A) someone will steer their good ol boy wrong, or B) they won't get any credit or input if professionals take over for Zion.
Either way both situations is toxic and I been saying this for years now. Glad folks are finally starting to talk about it.
It's so frustrating because even when he comes back, say he comes back December 1st (just for the sake of easy with the date) - that's 24 games into the season. We're already 1-6, 7 games in. So that would mean 17 more games before Zion comes back.
In the next 17 games we play SAC, DAL, OKC, WAS x2, MEM, LAC x2, IND, MIN. That's 10 games that, were we full health, I would wholeheartedly expect us to win (losing them all, or even just most of them, would be a sure sign of team failure). Without Zion - and potentially BI for some of them too, given his injury recently - we could easily lose any of them. So let's say we go, to be conservative, .33 as a team over those 17 games. That's 6 wins, more or less. 7-17 over the first 24 games. Then Zion comes back. That's already the season lost, by December 1st: we'd have to play like a 50+ win team for the rest of the year just to scrape .500, which is not realistic.
If we had known that coming into the year and Griff had communicated this, we might be upset but we would have adjusted expectations. Come in understanding it's yet another rebuild year - even accepting all of the risks that carries (4th year of Zion's tenure with the team is a bit late to start winning).
Instead we get the lies, the claim from Zion that he might be back on court for the first game, the claim that he had surgery before Summer League, etc etc. And now we're not grimly accepting, we're upset. Whose fault is that? Griff has got to be in the firing line for this, hard.
If we are 6-18 or 6-24... Griff better shut this show down. We need talent.
I don't know about you guys but I'd rather be upset-but-informed, so that I could manage expectations and know what to look for, than lied to and mislead.
I don't have any qualms watching bad teams, developing young players, and tanking for draft picks, if I know that's what we're doing. I'm fine with that, I can find joy in that.
But don't tell me that we're gunning for the playoffs, Zion's going to be back soon, we're ready to win, etc, all the while knowing that's not the case.
Can't wait for a disinterested Zion to make his debut for the 10-32 Pels in January.
Griff doesn't talk to the media like someone confident in their plans, trying to communicate.
He talks like someone who is worried and unsure, who will just say whatever they need to say in that moment to get through it.
That sucks, and it doesn't make me inclined to give him benefit of the doubt elsewhere. @GriffinPresser on Twitter exists for a reason.
The dude straight up lied to us about Zion to sell tickets and try to misdirected, gaslight, and use false pretenses.
You don't see NOLA media trying to expose Saints organization. It's a clown show and no other way to go about it.
Which is sad, because Griff did some really fantastic moves this off season like Jonas, Graham, and Green. It took him 3 years too late, but if he kept his mouth shut. He probably give him self another year.
It's just so weird how he goes out of his way to address the media and makes things so much worse.
We got a GM holding on to $27 million in filler salary and say we going to fight for a playoff spot. What playoff team allocates $27 million for a deadline trade. It makes no sense.
The worst part about it is that we don't even need Zion to win games or be 0.500. We just needed there to be $27 million worth of good talent on the team that can provide good minutes.
The team fills razor thin, but it gets worse when you look at this bloated salary list.
All this for se mythical trade that may never happen. Griffin can take his electric piano, his Alchemist book, and go be used car dealer salesman.
That, or there's been some kind of additional complication throughout the recovery.
So either Griff lied when they said all it was, was a 5th metatarsal fracture.
Or he didn't lie then, but there's been additional pertinent information during the recovery process that he's choosing not to give out.
Now it might be the case that Zion's camp has asked for additional info not to be released, in which case, Griff is partially absolved - you always prioritise relations with the superstar over the fanbase. It just makes sense. But then it just redirects the questions back on to Zion's camp, or rather, Zion's family since he seems to have only his parents telling him what to do.
It's got to be some kind of set back. And the way Zion's camp treats information about his injuries, I wouldn't be surprised if the club was kept in the dark about it, at least initially. Griff is a salesman for sure, but to come out and say Zion fractured the 5th metatarsal in his foot when it was some other kind of injury entirely seems unlikely. My money is on a Jones fracture that isn't healing up, though if I was a Pels reporter I'd hit Griff with the old Watergate question: What did you know and when did you know it? I'd like to see the exact timeline and details for this injury nailed down. I think both the Pels and Zion owe us at least that.
On the earlier discussion about Zion's weight, obviously I didn't pull out a scale court side and get him to step on it, but I was about 20 feet behind him all game and had plenty of time to make an assessment. Like many of you I've played sports and been around sports my whole life. When I say he looks at least 20 pounds over his playing weight from last year, trust me that is a conservative estimate.
I’ll keep saying it, this feels like the early 90s Mavericks. I’m starting to get the feel that Zion will be shut down and has played his last game as a Pelican.
Glass half-full, least we'll keep the Devonte' pick. ;)