he says that he isnt done yet... would it be smart to buy out ajinca and try to sign bosh? he fills a need for us and should still have that sweet stroke from three....
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02-15-2018, 04:11 PMwnelsonchris bosh
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02-15-2018, 04:41 PMAUSSIE_PELICAN
We ain't going into the tax to include Bosh.
Maybe next season if he is still looking for a run. -
02-15-2018, 06:04 PMGuardianAngel25
I read that he isn't done with basketball and by that he means something in the front office.. pretty sure I saw an interview where he said he wouldn't play again but would like to get involved somehow helping young players. Even if he wanted to play I wouldn't sign him. Not that he wouldn't be an upgrade but it wouldn't make much sense for us or him. If he signs anywhere it's gonna be somewhere like Houston, Toronto, or Miami..
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02-15-2018, 06:33 PMMythrol
He named the Warriors, Rockets, and Raptors as the teams he wants to go to.
Good luck with that. Coming off being ruled unable to ever play again and still wants to act like the queen bee.
Good riddance in retirement. Give me. Okafor and his hustle and drive to return every day of the week over that prima madonna crap. -
02-15-2018, 06:48 PMAUSSIE_PELICANAnd he wants to jack up 3's and play no defence lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mythrol
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02-15-2018, 07:21 PMSilverfoxxThis. Tbh it's seems kinda messed up to even consider him as an option at this point. Blood clots is a very serious matter and I truly wants what's best for him health wise right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by GuardianAngel25
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02-15-2018, 07:29 PMNMThreeMVPWhy would you have a problem with a dude picking which team he wants to play for, calling him “the queen bee”, when he’s a free agent and would be potentially risking HIS LIFE by playing for anyone!!??Quote:
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02-15-2018, 10:10 PMMythrolBecause he should be happy with ANY team willing to take the extremely huge risk of allowing him to attempt to come back.Quote:
Originally Posted by NMThreeMVP
He can choose wherever he wants if he gets multiple offers but to come out publicly and name the teams he is willing to play for is a pretty disrespectful way to handle it. Especially when it would be a huge gamble for any team.
He can have a private list and not need to spit in the face of every other NBA team. -
02-15-2018, 10:30 PMtthier2
Doesn't surprise me one bit that he named those teams. These new school athletes make this game hard to watch with all of this buddy buddy riding the coat tail bs
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02-15-2018, 11:07 PMNola3
Why the hell would he want to come back to some middling team? He was incredible when he was available and he should want to compete for a title. Anyone who is questioning Bosh's defense also clearly never watched a second of those Heat teams because he was literally everywhere on D.
And FOH with that new school athlete BS. Pete Maravich signed with Bird's Celtics at the end of his career. Same with Bill Walton. Karl Malone signed on with Kobe and Shaq to chase a ring. Same with Gary Payton. This has always happened. And will always happen. Bosh (if healthy, obviously) deserves to sign wherever he wants because (if healthy, obviously) almost any team would be lucky to have him, and not the other way around. -
02-16-2018, 12:04 AMN.O.BroncoNot to spiral off into an endless debate, but I think it is a bit more complex than that.Quote:
Originally Posted by tthier2
For instance take KD or Lebron.
Better yet lets stick with Lebron.
Had Lebron not left for Miami that team likely never gets Kyrie, never has the assets to get a guy like Love. For all intents and purposes Lebron becomes an Elgin Baylor or Karl Malone. A great player that doesnt have the hardware to claim himself amongst the truly all time greats. Who knows if they ever win a championship. While i think what you say is true, I think it is also true that players rightfully recognize that their legacy is always tied to whether they won a ring, and how many. Would anyone even consider Lebron in the conversation with Michael Jordan without the rings? Absolutely not. But with the rings in Miami and the one in Cleveland, that is what now gives him the better case.
His skillset and output hasn't changed, just the team around him. But players recognize how much is put into those rings, so they know that they need to get them to be considered Tim Duncan and not Charles Barkley. Not that Barkley isnt great, but he forever has the stigma as the guy that didn't get a ring, and his legacy has suffered accordingly. -
02-16-2018, 12:34 AMtthier2Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.Bronco
I understand what you are saying but look at how many people still won't give lebron credit because he went to Miami and honestly I didn't fault him for that move because trying to get people to go to Cleveland was virtually impossible so he had to do something. KD will never get proper credit for going to golden state. He is forever tarnished. I guess since bosh is pretty much finished it doesn't really matter. His new ring(if he gets one) will be similar to the likes of David west at this point. So who cares -
02-16-2018, 04:19 AMpawel
I have some financial doubts.
His $50 millions went from the Miami salary cap because of the retirement in July 2017.
Maybe I am wrong but I read in the past that if he will return in the future two years this salary will return to Miami books (minus new contract)
it will send Miami deep into the tax.
Dell wont do it to Miami, he has good relations with riley.
Maybe I am wrong with it, but I will try to check it. -
02-16-2018, 07:16 AMAusPelWhat if Dell just signs him for what was remaining on Miami's books?Quote:
Originally Posted by pawel
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02-16-2018, 02:11 PMNMThreeMVPDude is financially secure. An NBA champion. And a free agent. He ain't a slave! He can say he only wants to play handful of teams, because (to paraphrase Cleo McDowell) "This is America Jack!"Quote:
Originally Posted by Mythrol
It's a risk for an NBA team, but it's a greater risk to him. Disrespectful?!? Man... -
02-16-2018, 04:16 PMUNO Gracias
Its disrespectful to call him a drama queen, and say that you would take Emeka over him.
Bosh deciding where he wants to play isn't a jerk move, its American. If I have the option to work at a small bank with zero to no assets or a bank like JP Morgan or Citi, then damn strait I am going to work for JP Morgan or Citi rather than the smaller bank.
Emeka was never on Bosh's level. Might as well go and say, I would take Desmond Mason over MJ. Sure Desmond had his moments, but he was never confused with MJ.
Let him play again. Don't go the NFL route and blackball him. -
02-16-2018, 04:43 PMMythrol
One is medically cleared. The other isn't.
I would take Okafor every day of the week over Bosh because one can actually play. Just like I would take Okafor over Shaq right now. What was done in the past is irrelevant to now. -
02-16-2018, 07:47 PMNMThreeMVP
I have no issues with the take that you'd take Emeka over Bosh. That's much better (and different) than calling Bosh an entitled, disrespectful, queen. You and Laura Ingraham crack me up. Rich people usually get afforded some privilege and entitlement in this country, but not these athletes for some reason. These athletes should be "respectful" to the owners.
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02-16-2018, 08:28 PMMythrolWhy is anything political or wealth related even coming into this? I'm talking about from the perspective of a fan.Quote:
Originally Posted by NMThreeMVP
My problem isn't with Bosh having a list of preferred places, it's that he would publicly announce them.
Okafor has struggled for years to come back from career ending injuries, and played his way through G League to earn a spot. But Bosh named 3 teams. -
02-16-2018, 09:10 PMNMThreeMVP
When did Bosh say anything about “lowering himself” or teams “not being worthy”? You’ve got a certain spin you’re putting on Bosh’s comments that wasn’t there in his First Take interview. Whatever your bias is, you should stick to straight basketball!
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02-16-2018, 09:12 PMMythrolYes, my spin is that I prefer a player with a good attitude and a willing spirit than someone who isn't even medically cleared announcing to the public he only wants to play for a top team and naming those teams.Quote:
Originally Posted by NMThreeMVP
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02-16-2018, 09:29 PMNMThreeMVP
You are entitled to your own opinion, but you are not entitled to your own facts. Bosh was engaged in a very light interview on First Take, and only said (when asked), that he’d play for any of the top 3 teams if they asked him and he was cleared to play. It was a far cry from a player having an attitude of entitlement and announcing every team other than the top 3 is unworthy. And he didn’t eliminate the possibility of signing with any team next season.
Have you actually watched the interview?! -
02-16-2018, 11:17 PMMythrolExactly. The rest is just your opinion vs mine. I prefer a humble guy who was willing to grind his way through the G League over someone who wants to go straight to a contender and publicly names those teams.Quote:
Originally Posted by NMThreeMVP
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02-18-2018, 09:11 PMUNO Gracias
What Bosh is saying isn’t offensive, and it’s not the talk of a prima donna, it’s American. If him stating where he desires to work is the move of a prima donna then I can’t help ya. When you got into the profession of your choosing you certainly wanted to work for the best, or you wanted to surround yourself with the best. You ain’t trying to go to a company like the Nets where you don’t know who’s coming or going.
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02-19-2018, 02:08 AMpelicanchamp
Okafor > Bosh. Seriously, we can’t say Bosh is better. He’s been out of the league and he’s old and has serious medical problems.
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02-19-2018, 06:59 AMMythrolMaybe the new generation of Americans want to just be handed things, but when I think of American it's what Okafor did.Quote:
Originally Posted by UNO Gracias
Hustled his way back from injury, not expecting to be handed anything, started at the bottom, made his way through the G League, then not only joined a NBA roster but started games. Not once did he act like he was too good for something, he just kept grinding.
I thought the American dream was to be the best not get handed a spot working with the best just because you want it. -
02-19-2018, 07:22 AMPelicanidae
I am entirely divorced from what is or isn't American, cause I'm not and it holds no importance to me. Announcing specific teams you'd be interested in does, however, imply that you wouldn't be interested in other teams. And when you haven't even shown you're medically capable to play, a beggar trying to be a chooser just isn't good cricket.
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02-19-2018, 08:03 AMMythrol
This is just me having a problem with how Bosh handled it. It's completely an opinion thing. It's not even like an actual game of basketball where you can have stuff to back up your opinion like performance and stats.
Why it needed to somehow turn political or "American" is beyond me. I take my blame for responding to the stuff but at this point I think everyone's position has been made clear so I'm out of the conversation. -
02-19-2018, 09:44 AMUNO Gracias
Chris Bosh is 2 years younger than Emeka. I am glad Emeka is here, but if he weren't being blackballed I would love to kick the tires on Chris Bosh, and I am sure everyone else would as well.
He has also never shown himself to be this primadonna that you are painting him as.
Here is the transcript of his first take segment
So he would like to play for the Warriors, Rockets, or perhaps the Raptors, or the Cavs, or whoever would offer him the best deal. Who wouldn't want to play for those teams? I am sure if you asked each player on the Pels, and told them that their answer was in confidence and wouldn't be revealed, each player would want to go to one of those teams because those teams are near locks to win it all. Money being equal, players want to play for winners (look at ring chasers for what theyreally are, good players looking to win a ring in the most sure fire way possible). Bosh is a ring chaser like DX, Kevin Durant, Charles Barkley, Karl Malone, Gary Payton, Lebron, Shaq, and Ray Allen.Quote:
Max Kellerman: “What would your dream scenario be?”
Chris Bosh: “A winning situation.”
Stephen A. Smith: “Any of the top six teams in the NBA, basically?”
Bosh: “Yeah! I mean, top three.”
** Laughter **
Smith: “Well, what’s your top three?”
Bosh: “Man, I would say Houston, Golden State, uh- man, Toronto’s playing well right now; you’ve gotta put them in the top three.”
Smith: “You would go to Toronto? You would go back to Toronto?”
Bosh: “I didn’t say that. You asked me who my top three was.”
Smith: “Well, you said top three; I said top six, you said top three, which means you’d consider them one of your top three.”
Bosh: “We’re talking about the top three. I’m a free agent. I’m a free agent.”
Kellerman: “If you could go to either Cleveland or Toronto, what would you pick?”
Bosh: “Whoever makes me the best deal. One thing I’ve learned is if you have a good deal-”
Molly Qerim: “Give him an offer he can’t refuse, right?”
Bosh: “Yeah, you have to make a good offer -- that’s what it’s about.”
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02-19-2018, 11:13 AMMythrolI am curious about this. Exactly how is Bosh being blackballed?Quote:
Originally Posted by UNO Gracias
The way that injuries are determined to be career ending is he doesn't play for a year, then after an entire year the NBA and the Players union TOGETHER get a 3rd party doctor to evaluate the player. That independent 3rd party doctor is the one that gives the final ruling about whether it is career ending or not.
Here's an article around the time of the ruling that clearly outlines it.
https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2017/6/...still-possible
So exactly who is black balling Bosh? He's already off of Miami books with no danger of ever being added again. The doctor who determined it was career ending was 3rd and agrees upon BY THE PLAYERS UNION. So is Chris Paul the one black balling Bosh? Is the entire NBA and Players union jointly black balling him?
Please explain how.Bosh has been black balled and how players like Okafor who took years to recover from being ruled unable to play weren't being. -
02-19-2018, 12:07 PMUNO GraciasHe could be healthy to the point to play, but the league doesn't want to run the risk of another Reggie Lewis. The attorney's wont expose the league to the potential damage, so they wont bring Bosh back in.Quote:
Several team executives contacted by B/R on Friday said they would need to review all the medical and legal facts before forming an opinion on whether offering Bosh a contract would be a viable option.
"That's for doctors and lawyers," one Eastern Conference general manager said, "not basketball guys."
Bosh indicated he's been in the gym training and would be able to help a contending team as soon as this season. For a free agent to be playoff-eligible, he must be on the roster and under contract by March 1—less than two weeks away. Given the delicate medical and legal issues involved, it's almost impossible to imagine that timeline being met.
Furthermore, even if a team were willing to take the risk and medically clear Bosh, several team execs speculated that getting a contract through the league office would be next to impossible.
"My guess is, the league would sit on it for a long time," an Eastern Conference exec told B/R.
The league's new protocols state that once a player has been deemed to have a career-ending medical condition or injury, he may be referred to the medical panel again, but only with proof in writing from a physician that there are "materially changed circumstances," such as treatment advances or a change in the player's condition. It is not known what provisions were agreed to in Bosh's situation, if any, that would allow him to be re-evaluated.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2759994
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02-19-2018, 12:12 PMMythrolSo how exactly is that specific to Bosh being black balled? Those are the rules that ALL players have to follow and were agreed upon by the Player's Union.Quote:
Originally Posted by UNO Gracias
How was Okafor cleared to play after years? No one is out to get Bosh. It's the protocol everyone has to go through. If it were black balling the players would have never agreed to it during CBA negotiations.
What we know is Bosh was ruled to be medically unable to play by a 3rd party doctor selected in part by the Player's Union. Being in the gym and playing around does not indicate at all that he is ready to return. No 2nd evaluation has been performed that has medically cleared Bosh to return. The doctor who would perform this 2nd evaluation would be determined jointly between the NBA and the Player's Association.
So again. Unless the players association is specifically out to get Bosh, everyone is just following protocol that was agreed upon. Black balling implies specific agenda against a particular individual without reason. None of that is the case with Bosh’s situation. -
02-19-2018, 12:30 PMUNO Gracias
Does it help the NBA or the NBAPA if a player dies on the court?
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02-19-2018, 12:32 PMTopdawg26I know right. I don’t want him to play at all not just for the Pelicans. He has a serious heart problem that can kill him. He needs to think about his family before this. Just become an announcer or go back to TNT and go home to your family safe.Quote:
Originally Posted by UNO Gracias
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02-19-2018, 12:47 PMUNO GraciasOr go back to being a Jurassic Park exhibit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Topdawg26
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02-19-2018, 12:54 PMMythrolSo he's not being black balled. They are following protocol. Got it.Quote:
Originally Posted by UNO Gracias
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02-19-2018, 01:57 PMUNO GraciasTo avoid further argument, sure. They are following "protocol".Quote:
Originally Posted by Mythrol
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02-19-2018, 04:36 PMMythrolIt's not black balling to be extremely cautious with allowing players to return after being ruled medically unable to play. Especially players who still have not been medically cleared. It's called common sense. So yes, they are following protocol. Agreed.Quote:
Originally Posted by UNO Gracias
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02-20-2018, 08:05 AMtthier2
This dude seriously should just let it go but his blood sucking leech of a wife is in his ear pumping him up to keep playing. This guy has some terrible decision making skills and the people around him don't hell.
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02-20-2018, 09:36 AMUNO GraciasWhat in the hell are you talking about? I know that it doesn’t say everything about the guy, but someone who has a diversified investment portfolio, has taught himself how to code, and has his own eSports team, it’s not about the money, it’s aboit the passion for the sport. He is still 33, which puts him right at the tail end of his prime. He wants to play, and is working his way back.Quote:
Originally Posted by tthier2
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02-20-2018, 11:32 AMtthier2A caring spouse would enforcement what you said about the finances and leave the game alone. You have children. Once its at that point the hell with the game but you have a spouse who is only in it for the money, those conversations wont exist. That's what the hell I'm talking about. Didnt think something so simple to convey would be so difficult for some.Quote:
Originally Posted by UNO Gracias
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02-20-2018, 11:48 AMNMThreeMVPLink?Quote:
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02-20-2018, 12:20 PMUNO GraciasDo you have proof that his wife is a blood sucking leach, or is that just coming out of your ******? I have read multiple stories on Bosh (since this thread was started) and not one says that they have a financial issue, or that his wife is pushing him to play. Every last one says that this is something that he wants to do, and he is working to get back into playing shape. There has been no mention of his family or wife pushing him to do this for the money. As I said, many articles mention how well diversified he is, and how he is set financially, this isn't a money thing, its a desire thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by tthier2
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02-20-2018, 12:41 PMtthier2This has been well documented but here are severalQuote:
Originally Posted by NMThreeMVP
https://bossip.com/732858/exposed-so...s-a-gay-beard/
http://www.google.com/amp/amp.tmz.co...g-disabled-man
http://www.thecoli.com/threads/so-ev...sh-wife.91135/
http://www.google.com/amp/ftw.usatod...ots-injury/amp -
02-20-2018, 12:44 PMtthier2okQuote:
Originally Posted by UNO Gracias
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02-20-2018, 12:58 PMUNO Gracias
Ok, so it is coming out of your ******.
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02-21-2018, 11:21 AMNMThreeMVPQuote:
Originally Posted by tthier2
Are these sites you normally go to for your news? So you're into Bossip, TMZ and slut shaming a player's wife because he wants to pick which team he plays for. Got it.