Trade scenarios

I think a cool/interesting thing to do now that we are kind of in the doldrums of summer would be for people to list who they would trade for in the league for every Pelicans player. For example, let's say you first choose jrue holiday, then you list every player you would trade jrue holiday for straight up, or draft picks as well. There are two very important rules. *

1. Each player has to be within 1-2 million for the player.
2. It has to be realistic. Meaning you must give some logical reasoning as to why the other team would consider the trade. They don't "have" to do it, it just has to be in the realm. i.e. not Jrue Holiday for Steph Curry.

Multiple player trades are allowed, but once again they have to meet criteria listed above. I think every poster should try and individually trade as many single players on the team before you start getting into multi person trades, this way people on the board have an idea of what exactly the value is of each player on the team. I think it would be an interesting BSS article as well. I think a good way to educate myself and this forum is for people to truly understand the value of our players. Anyway, let's see what everyone has.

*One drawback to this exercise is it wil exclude players who don't currently have a similar salary to one of our players, so an exception to rule one will be that it can include a player who will within the near future most certainly have a similar contract to the player on our team you choose. Ie. Players on Rookie contracts like Andrew wiggins, nérlens noel, or high priced vets that you know will get less money.

I just spent about 15 minutes trying to figure out players I'd trade for and I couldn't come up with one trade that was legal that we would want to do and the other team could agree with. I was hoping to find a good trade for PJ Tucker, Anthony Morrow, Avery Bradley, Jae Crowder, or a decent play-making point guard and came up empty. I value continuity so I was trying to trade as few major pieces as possible and I can't help but to think that the only way we make a major splash is by disrupting that.

SG Eric Gordon and C Jeff Withey

For

C Gorgui Dieng, SG Kevin Martin, and SF Chase Budinger

Why would Minnesota do it?

They upgrade at SG for a year, shed Martin's contract, and draft a big man with the #1 pick.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Darkhorse985

SG Eric Gordon and C Jeff Withey

For

C Gorgui Dieng, SG Kevin Martin, and SF Chase Budinger

Why would Minnesota do it?

They upgrade at SG for a year, shed Martin's contract, and draft a big man with the #1 pick.

---

So,what do we do with Martin? Consider him an upgrade? Nah.Is he a rental? Nah.Why would we do it? Dieng is so-so at best.Budinger once again,ended the season injured. What is our end game w/ these 3 guys? REBUILD is out of the question(AD will bolt). Martin is WORSE than EG10 on Defense.
We would be giving up Gordon for next to nothing in return. Why not wait til Jan.? If EG10 is still no.2 in the league in 3pt shooting, then we wont have to give him up for less than dog water!

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Darkhorse985

SG Eric Gordon and C Jeff Withey

For

C Gorgui Dieng, SG Kevin Martin, and SF Chase Budinger

Why would Minnesota do it?

They upgrade at SG for a year, shed Martin's contract, and draft a big man with the #1 pick.

---

Minny says no.

I'll get this started to show exactly what I meant.

Jrue Holiday: Jeff Teague, Goran Dragic, Demar Derozan, Marcin Gortat, Monta Ellis, Wilson Chandler,
- While all these trades would obviously not work, I think there might be a slight thought at all of them. I would put Jrue Holday's value around these types of players right now. Teague, Tragic and Derozan, would be the high point of Holiday's play, Gortat and Chandler being the low point of Holiday's play.

Tyreke Evans: Jeff Green, Wilson Chandler, Monta Ellis, Gortat, Amir Johnson, Demar Derozan, Luol Deng, Goran Dragic, Joakim Noah, AL Jefferson, Micheal Kidd Gilchrist, Isaiah Thomas, Paul Milsap.

Most of these trades wouldn't work, but I think it shows that with this amount of players I'm willing to trade him for, he is a pretty up and down player. Id say his value is lower, and these are all the players i think are somewhere in his ball park.

Minny isnt giving up deing, hes a beast

Minny would give up Dieng, but the deal would have to be right. Think about it, they have Pekovic and Dieng, but are bound for either Towns or Okafor. If you could spin Ryno for Dieng (giving them another pf to battle with #1 bust extraordinar Anthony Bennett) that benefits both us and them. I would love to get Dieng down here as he is a guy who you could build for the future with, and I don't think he has scratched the surface in Minny.

Well of course they would if the deal is right, but not for eric gordon and jeff withey is what I should have said

Moving Gordon and Withey does not alter the future of this franchise. We will make the playoffs next year with or without them, so moving them shouldn't cause anyone to lose sleep, or consider it the nail in the coffin that is AD's reason for leaving.

Lmao, I didnt mean we would say no, I mean the Timberwolves would say hell no.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

Minny would give up Dieng, but the deal would have to be right. Think about it, they have Pekovic and Dieng, but are bound for either Towns or Okafor. If you could spin Ryno for Dieng (giving them another pf to battle with #1 bust extraordinar Anthony Bennett) that benefits both us and them. I would love to get Dieng down here as he is a guy who you could build for the future with, and I don't think he has scratched the surface in Minny.

---

I would imagine they'd be more willing to sell Pekovic over Dieng.

Because of Pek's contract? I would do a Pek for Ryno deal (and it would work).
I am game for either honestly.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

Because of Pek's contract? I would do a Pek for Ryno deal (and it would work).
I am game for either honestly.

---

Yeah, he's 29 and this is his deal:

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/minnesota.htm

I prefer keeping Ryno and Asik instead because he's really just a better version of Asik who is only effective versus 40% of the league.

heybigmatt, you said it had to be realistic. I don't see a scenario in which Teague, Derozan or Dragic would be possible, unless we include AD, so it falls into unrealistic territory. Same for Tyreke, wouldn't even bother mentioning Ellis, Derozan, Millsap or Dragic. Just can't see any combination of players that exludes AD making any of these players possible for us. The Pekovic ideia seems more realistic to me though (still wouldn't do it).

As Jabberwalker said, couldn't come up with any trade that would make us better and be legal/realistic. See Jrue coming back at full strength as our biggest improvement.

Anybody considering Pekovic - look at his games played the last few years. Then, come back and tell me if you still want him at that age and contract

I would prefer Dieng to Pek. But how to get that through is the question.

Why do we want Minny's players not named Wiggins or Rubio?

I mean....they were the worst team in the NBA - it might not be smart to pick up guys that performed decently on the worst NBA team (if anyone remembers Lee Nailon or Dan Dickau, you know where I'm going with this). Don't see how Pekovic or Dieng are major upgrades. If we get them for a steal, then sure - but I wouldn't be happy trading for the Timberwolves' complimentary players.

How about Reke for Demar Derozan? Who says no?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by PelicanFever

How about Reke for Demar Derozan? Who says no?

---

Toronto

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by PelicanFever

How about Reke for Demar Derozan? Who says no?

---

I've had a player crush on DeRozan for ages. But I fear it will never come to pass.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by PelicanFever

How about Reke for Demar Derozan? Who says no?

---

People know I don't love Tyreke's game, though I respect his toughness like no other.

That said, if we traded Tyreke for Derozen, I would throw things. Derozen gets to the line, so I will give him props for that. If he didn't, he would be one of the worst players in the league. Takes terrible shots and his jumper is bad. Getting to the line saves him. He really doesn't anything else well. I am not a fan.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

People know I don't love Tyreke's game, though I respect his toughness like no other.

That said, if we traded Tyreke for Derozen, I would throw things. Derozen gets to the line, so I will give him props for that. If he didn't, he would be one of the worst players in the league. Takes terrible shots and his jumper is bad. Getting to the line saves him. He really doesn't anything else well. I am not a fan.

---

this, derozan can score, and get to the line and run, but thats about it, tyreke can score just as well, but is a better rebounder, passer, and shoots a better FG% of 45% compared to derozan's 41% and tyreke actually even shoots the 3 better. The ONLY thing Derozan does better then tyreke is get to the line and dunk, thats it. Derozan averaged 2 more poitns than tyreke this season, but also and 4 more FT attempts per game. Now for assists, Tyreke DOUBLED derozan's assists, and averaged more rebounds. Also derozan is a very bad defender, I would say tyreke is even a better defender than him.

Derozan does have a much better mid range game then tyreke, i will give him that.

I'll take tyreke over derozan any day though.

also if u want to get more in depth here are their career per 36 numbers:

Tyreke: 18-6-5
Derozan: 18.4-3.5-4.5

with tyreke having the career better FG% and 3pt%

Why do we want any players from Minny? Just because a team has a bad record doesn't mean that parts of the team aren't worth acquiring. You say Rubio and Wiggins, but they have such a young group of guys, there are quite a few guys who (if in there prime) were placed on that same Wolves team (of this year), they wouldn't hold a lottery pick. They have a lot of good players, and I think they could be right there with the Jazz as next year competition for the #8 seed.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

Anybody considering Pekovic - look at his games played the last few years. Then, come back and tell me if you still want him at that age and contract

---

Two years ago I was able to kill to get Pekovic in NO. MM also loved him those times. :)

Now everybody wants to get rid of him. He has a contract for 3 years (~12m each)

I would trade Holiday, Gordon, and include a sign-and-trade with Asik for DeMarcus Cousins and another Sacramento player that could make the salaries work and also fill a vacant spot on our team that those former Pel players would create. Maybe a third team would be included to take on Gordon if Sacramento realizes Gordon doesn't want to sign a long-term contract with them after he opts in to the $15.5 million for '15-'16, but he gives them an expiring contract anyway. Third team could give Sac another first rounder for Gordon and also an expiring contract (or bad contract with 2 years) to us to even the salaries. If no third team is included, then the three Pelican contracts ($36 million) being sent to Sacramento for Cousins and a salary of Darren Collison ($20.8 million) would put Sacramento $8 million over the cap since they're projected to have $8 million in cap space going into the offseason if they don't re-sign Derrick Williams' qualifying offer so Sacramento could include Derrick Williams in the trade to even the salaries.

Omer Asik, Jrue Holiday, Eric Gordon, and two future first rounders from us for DeMarcus Cousins, Darren Collison, Derrick Williams and future 2nd rounder

Kings lineup
C - Asik
PF - Thompson, Landry
SF - Gay, Stauskas
SG - McLemore, Gordon (Gordon is their 6th man)
PG - Holiday, McCallum

If Sacramento aren't interested in Asik, Pelicans could also sign-and-trade Asik to a third team for that third team to give Sacramento a first rounder and the third team gives us an impending expiring contract or bad contract with 2 years left that they're trying to get rid of. Sacramento drafts Willie Cauley-Stein with their own first round pick to replace Cousins at Center

Pelicans lineup
C - Cousins, Ajinca
PF - Davis, Anderson, Cunningham
SF - Pondexter, Williams
SG - Evans, Wesley Matthews?/Jamal Crawford?/Gerald Green?/Marcus Thornton?/Jordan Crawford?
PG - Collison, Cole, a one year FA vet rental Andre Miller?

The trade gives Sacramento a more balanced lineup. Gay, Holiday, McLemore, and Gordon could make them fun to watch. Sacramento would also be stacked with first rounders and future salary cap room.

Pelicans could have two elite players in the paint, along with outstanding complimentary players in the backcourt, leading us to a championship over the next decade

If not trade for Cousins or sign Monroe, then I'd love to trade Eric Gordon straight up for Brook Lopez. Their salaries are fairly even if both opt in for '15-'16 and they fill a need for both teams. Nets get their SG to put in between Deron Williams and Joe Johnson; Pelicans get a lengthy scoring Center that can run the floor and pair with AD. We could then sign any of the top affordable FA SG's to replace Gordon if the new coach's plan is to keep Evans at SF and Holiday still remains on the team. We'd have a huge upgrade in scoring if we acquired any of Cousins, Monroe, or Lopez!

I know it's a bit of a dream but S&T for Monroe, giving up Tyreke or Anderson.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by SonOfNOLA

I would trade Holiday, Gordon, and include a sign-and-trade with Asik for DeMarcus Cousins and another Sacramento player that could make the salaries work and also fill a vacant spot on our team that those former Pel players would create. Maybe a third team would be included to take on Gordon if Sacramento realizes Gordon doesn't want to sign a long-term contract with them after he opts in to the $15.5 million for '15-'16, but he gives them an expiring contract anyway. Third team could give Sac another first rounder for Gordon and also an expiring contract (or bad contract with 2 years) to us to even the salaries. If no third team is included, then the three Pelican contracts ($36 million) being sent to Sacramento for Cousins and a salary of Darren Collison ($20.8 million) would put Sacramento $8 million over the cap since they're projected to have $8 million in cap space going into the offseason if they don't re-sign Derrick Williams' qualifying offer so Sacramento could include Derrick Williams in the trade to even the salaries.



Omer Asik, Jrue Holiday, Eric Gordon, and two future first rounders from us for DeMarcus Cousins, Darren Collison, Derrick Williams and future 2nd rounder

Kings lineup
C - Asik
PF - Thompson, Landry
SF - Gay, Stauskas
SG - McLemore, Gordon (Gordon is their 6th man)
PG - Holiday, McCallum

If Sacramento aren't interested in Asik, Pelicans could also sign-and-trade Asik to a third team for that third team to give Sacramento a first rounder and the third team gives us an impending expiring contract or bad contract with 2 years left that they're trying to get rid of. Sacramento drafts Willie Cauley-Stein with their own first round pick to replace Cousins at Center

Pelicans lineup
C - Cousins, Ajinca
PF - Davis, Anderson, Cunningham
SF - Pondexter, Williams
SG - Evans, Wesley Matthews?/Jamal Crawford?/Gerald Green?/Marcus Thornton?/Jordan Crawford?
PG - Collison, Cole, a one year FA vet rental Andre Miller?

The trade gives Sacramento a more balanced lineup. Gay, Holiday, McLemore, and Gordon could make them fun to watch. Sacramento would also be stacked with first rounders and future salary cap room.

Pelicans could have two elite players in the paint, along with outstanding complimentary players in the backcourt, leading us to a championship over the next decade

---

don't really think Sac would trade their superstar for 2 picks, a PG that missed pretty much a full season out of the last 2 and a guy that doesn't want to be there, and see even less chance of Collison being included. That would make more sense if you included Anderson instead of Asik or Gordon, since he's from Sacramento and fills a void at the 4 they've had for quite a long. Still, if I'm a Kings fan, wouldn't do it, and the salaries wouldn't match either. Just can't see a scenario in which we land a player like Cousins without giving up AD.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by SonOfNOLA

If not trade for Cousins or sign Monroe, then I'd love to trade Eric Gordon straight up for Brook Lopez. Their salaries are fairly even if both opt in for '15-'16 and they fill a need for both teams. Nets get their SG to put in between Deron Williams and Joe Johnson; Pelicans get a lengthy scoring Center that can run the floor and pair with AD. We could then sign any of the top affordable FA SG's to replace Gordon if the new coach's plan is to keep Evans at SF and Holiday still remains on the team. We'd have a huge upgrade in scoring if we acquired any of Cousins, Monroe, or Lopez!

---

Also wouldn't trade for Brook Lopez. He's slow footed, doesn't grab boards, has an history of injuries himself and despite the blocks, never considered him a good defender (his defensive win shares and defensive box plus/minus never impressed). Plus, the guy took nearly 14 shots in just under 30 minutes per game this season. Don't want him taking touches away from AD, Evans, Jrue or Anderson. Per 36, Lopez took .7 less shot than AD. Just don't see him as a guy who's gonna push us to the next level, would rather a wing defender that could at least demand some respect from 3 point, since I believe our biggest problem isn't scoring, but perimeter defense.

Only if we could sign Wes Matthews...

We have to figure out a way to add without taking away.

Run back the same roster with upgrades at our weak positions.

Dell is VERY GOOD at adding without taking away. (Cole, Pondexter, Cunningham)

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Rafa Brazil

Only if we could sign Wes Matthews...

---

It'll be interesting to see what sort of contract he gets given his injury. I'm expecting a one year deal so that he can prove that his health isn't a long term concern and due to the expected cap jump.

Why do I taste salt? Like I just ate a big bag o' Funjuns.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Eman5805

Why do I taste salt? Like I just ate a big bag o' Funjuns.

---

You mean runjuns (cuz they give me the squirts).

I don't taste salt, I just see hope springing eternal.

Or maybe I'm just feeling extra salty cuz DeRozan was thoroughly shot down by two folk on the last page.

:huh2:

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Caffeinedisastr

Dell is VERY GOOD at adding without taking away. (Cole, Pondexter, Cunningham)

---

yeah - but those 3 guys came to NO during the season.
summer is usually RFAs and trading picks...

based on the name of a new coach we have nice trading chips in Ryno/EJ/Evans/2016 pick

no matter who will coach us - changes will occur this offseason. it should be fun

hoopshype has the Nets willing to deal Plumlee now (last summer the rumor was they could have unloaded D-Will to Sac if they had included him...) and the assumption is that they would want to use him to unload Joe (or D-Will)

I don't know how interested I would be in doing this, and I'm not sure if the ESPN trade machine is accurate since it's using 1415 salaries, but...
what would folks here think about picking up Plumlee, and Joe, in exchange for Gordon and whatever else it takes to make the numbers work? Last summer Plumlee looked like the real deal, and Joe's salary doesn't 'hurt' us next year any more than Gordon's does since they both expire. Personally, now that we are on Gordon's last year I am fine with him sticking around. I am also not clear what, if anything, else we would need to include. Either Tyreke or Anderson works on the trade machine, but I wasn't sure if this summer when the books rolled over if it was definite we would have to include one of them. Or keep Gordon and send Evans and Anderson. While I don't know if I like this trade idea, I know I like Plumlee on a rookie deal over Asik

If there were more leaks on the coaching search I wouldn't be having ideas like this pop in my head...

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Rafa Brazil

Also wouldn't trade for Brook Lopez. He's slow footed, doesn't grab boards, has an history of injuries himself and despite the blocks, never considered him a good defender (his defensive win shares and defensive box plus/minus never impressed). Plus, the guy took nearly 14 shots in just under 30 minutes per game this season. Don't want him taking touches away from AD, Evans, Jrue or Anderson. Per 36, Lopez took .7 less shot than AD. Just don't see him as a guy who's gonna push us to the next level, would rather a wing defender that could at least demand some respect from 3 point, since I believe our biggest problem isn't scoring, but perimeter defense.

---

I agree I'm not a big fan of Lopez and especially not on our team with AD. I would much rather invest in a SF that can run at the 4 spot also while AD plays the 5. I think we need a good center but not a high usage one like Lopez.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Hugeaux II

hoopshype has the Nets willing to deal Plumlee now (last summer the rumor was they could have unloaded D-Will to Sac if they had included him...) and the assumption is that they would want to use him to unload Joe (or D-Will)

I don't know how interested I would be in doing this, and I'm not sure if the ESPN trade machine is accurate since it's using 1415 salaries, but...
what would folks here think about picking up Plumlee, and Joe, in exchange for Gordon and whatever else it takes to make the numbers work? Last summer Plumlee looked like the real deal, and Joe's salary doesn't 'hurt' us next year any more than Gordon's does since they both expire. Personally, now that we are on Gordon's last year I am fine with him sticking around. I am also not clear what, if anything, else we would need to include. Either Tyreke or Anderson works on the trade machine, but I wasn't sure if this summer when the books rolled over if it was definite we would have to include one of them. Or keep Gordon and send Evans and Anderson. While I don't know if I like this trade idea, I know I like Plumlee on a rookie deal over Asik

If there were more leaks on the coaching search I wouldn't be having ideas like this pop in my head...

---

I think Plumlee would be a perfect fit next to AD. He is improving every season from what I have seen and reminds me a little of Deandre Jordan. I would much rather pay a stud SF while adding an athletic center who can rebound and block shots to play some minutes next to Davis. I would love Plumlee and rather ham him for his price over what Lopez would cost us.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by GuardianAngel25

I agree I'm not a big fan of Lopez and especially not on our team with AD. I would much rather invest in a SF that can run at the 4 spot also while AD plays the 5. I think we need a good center but not a high usage one like Lopez.

---

Mr. Thaddeus Young step right up

RA for NENE