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Jrue to the Bucks for Bledsoe, Hill, and draft picks...a lot of draft picks.
Griff cased the joint and walked away with everything he wanted.
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Jrue to the Bucks for Bledsoe, Hill, and draft picks...a lot of draft picks.
Griff cased the joint and walked away with everything he wanted.
Bucks sending Eric Bledsoe and George Hill and draft compensation to New Orleans, sources said. https://t.co/3K12F8WGI9
— Shams Charania (@ShamsCharania) November 17, 2020
Wow.
Out of nowhere
Uh oh. The Bucks do not really have much to offer and the fact that it is before the draft makes me think there are no high draft picks involved. Did we have to cave because of the Nets dropping out?
Trash. How does this even help our team?
Bledsoe is seen by some as a negative contract. Hill is not bad. Any chance we are re-routing Bledsoe?
I'm hesitant to judge, because it's still early and there's more moves that could be made, but I have to admit that my initial reaction is one of being extremely underwhelmed.
Bledsoe is older than Jrue by a little, 6'1, no better as a shooter, and has 3 more years on his deal at basically $20m per, so he's not exactly cheap. Then the Bucks draft picks are very much expected to be poor: they don't even have their pick this year, and there's no reason to expect their picks over the next year or two to be any higher than the 20s.
Edit: I like Hill as well, but he's old as well. Have to imagine Griff is hoping he can try to move Hill to a contender for more value later?
Happy for Jrue to have a chance at a title next year. Not sure if I'll like the trade yet until I see the picks, or what we end up doing with Bledsoe and Hill since I imagine they'll be flipped elsewhere at some point, but time will tell I guess.
Couldn't even get DiVincenzo??? Terrible terrible return.
New Orleans is nearing completion of a deal to send G Jrue Holiday to Milwaukee for Eric Bledsoe, George Hill and what's described as "significant" draft compensation, sources tell ESPN. Teams are still working through the picks in trade.
— Adrian Wojnarowski (@wojespn) November 17, 2020
What does ''significant'' mean from a team that's expected to be a title contender for the next several years?
Dang!! Must be Bledsoe and pieces. I hope it's not much more than DiVincenzo and maybe Bender plus picks so the Pels would pick up cap space. Otherwise, I hope a third team is involved getting the Pels better picks/players.
I would just encourage the people flipping out about it being trash to be a little patient. I am also sceptical about it for reasons I listed earlier, but the full deal isn't revealed yet and it's perfectly plausible that one or both of Hill and Bledsoe are going to be flipped again later: remember, the December 15th trade line is still in effect even though the season starts late, so it's possible that these guys are here for less than a month before they're on their way out for other stuff. And that's assuming this deal doesn't grow to include other teams early, which is very possible, like the Hawks trade last year.
We own the Lakers and Bucks drafts through 2090.
So I thought we were looking to "acquire assests" :hihi:
Griff is a fraud.
New Orleans also receives two future draft pick swaps from Milwaukee, along with three firsts, sources said. https://t.co/pZtkfvZkrD
— Shams Charania (@ShamsCharania) November 17, 2020
Yeah it's basically the Lakers package in picks.
This significant draft compensation better be significant. Must be picks next year in a stacked draft because the bucks will be trash without Giannis, Lopez, and Bledsoe
Lol..... Well Atleast he didn’t send him to the Lakers. Our GM will be gone in 3-4 years along with those Lakers players outside of maybe Ingram. Griff finessed us to help his buddy lebron make a deal. I would’ve taken the 2# pick from GS and a player than this deal.
New Orleans also receives two future draft pick swaps from Milwaukee, along with three firsts, sources said. https://t.co/pZtkfvZkrD
— Shams Charania (@ShamsCharania) November 17, 2020
It's literally the max number of picks a team can offer iirc: everything for the next 5 years.
With picks.. it’s dry trash, not wet.
Ok so we have to hope the bucks suck, hope giannis leaves
The next 7 years of drafts is basically just us and OKC scouring the planet.
Not enough room on the team for both Hill and JJ. One has to go.
What are the chances giannis stays now
Withholding judgment until we see what Griff does with Hill and Bledsoe. Can't imagine both stay and would be mildly surprised if either of them does.
Griff not done making moves. Trust the process. He got something in mind.
Absolutely.
Not only could more stuff be done pre/during the draft and simply be packaged into this trade (remember how the Hawks trade ended up expanding massively last year?) but there's less than a month from now until players can be traded: December 15th. There's no reason to assume that Griff's plan is to take back Bledsoe and Hill and then sit pretty. One, or both, are going to be gone by New Year at the latest, I'm fairly sure of that.
Giannis,,, Middleton. and jrue will be nice to deal with the nets..
It depends on how it's done. If more deals are set up now, they can be added on to this trade. Think of how the Lakers and Hawks trades for us kind of combined last year.
But if nothing happens before the season starts, we have to wait until December 15th: less than a month.
RealDopeDealersForReal pic.twitter.com/JhJmTbo7cO
— LIFELONG PELICANS FAN MAN 69☭ (@Riffs_Man) November 17, 2020
Im getting old so I don't know whether I can stay up that late- what time does the very end of the 1st round typically end?
Having a ton of other peoples late first round draft picks is a very good thing in the nfl. Problem is this is the nba.
And I don't want us to be terrible, and we shouldn't be.....so there goes any hope of a good draft pick.
I think we may be in that position soon for awhile where we are in that dreaded middle group. Which as everyone knows is a terrible place to be.
This is a huge gamble for Milwaukee. It's an all-in move.
If this works, Giannis resigns and they're title contenders for the next god-knows how many years.
If it doesn't, Giannis walks to Miami or Toronto and the Bucks are absolutely buried for a decade.
Last year we were party to a trade that led to the 2020 NBA Championship.
This year did we just do the same for the 2021 NBA Championship?
....Stay Tuned!!!
It's not as bad as you think. Plus, part of the value of picks is that they can be traded. Secondly, both LA and Milwaukee are on very very narrow margins: either one of them could come tumbling down fairly soon. That's part of the wager that Griff has made. If Giannis resigns, the 3 picks from Milwaukee aren't great. If the Bucks flame out next year though, and he walks, those picks become gold. It's a risk, but it's a risk with a huge reward if it pays off.
I hate myself for how excited I got once we found out about pick swaps....
Awful trade if they stay with the Pels. Does anybody here like Bledsoe? Hill isn't bad as a bench role. But the Griff could have done a lot better than this. I think they should have pushed foe Dinwiddie or Lavert from the Nets. And what does this mean for Lonzo? Maybe Van Gundy doesn't like him and they move him. Not feeling good with this at all.
I wonder if Jrue had to extend to get it done.
Hang in there folks. I think there is more to come
3 1st and 2 1st trade swap... Sweet jesus... For a dude that commit TO 6 times in crucial games and take stupid stepback jumpers and can't make FTs in the 4th.... Omg.
1) It doesn't really matter if we like Bledsoe because he's probably gone already in Griff's mind
2) How much better than 2 starter calibre players, 3 firsts, and 2 pick swaps do you think he could have done? How is LeVert better than this lmao
3) Who cares what it means for Lonzo, this is a major franchise decision: you don't make trades of this calibre based on your 4th best starter
The Nuggets approached the Holiday talks from a position of power. They, by no means, felt like they *had* to make a move of this caliber. They just went to WCF.
— Mike Singer (@msinger) November 17, 2020
Milwaukee, on the other hand, had to win now and help Giannis. Seems like Griffin exploited that leverage.
Yeah you can phrase anything like that if you want. Look how much better this looks:
''...For one of the top 3 two-way guards in the entire NBA who can defend 1-4, fully switchably, can create for himself and others off the dribble, and is one of the best finishing guards in the NBA''
Suddenly Jrue looks great. Turns out that what you choose to emphasise has a big impact on how it looks.
When are the picks?
If Giannis and Jrue leave next year, it could turn out nucely.