Ryan Anderson: a liability?

We seem to not miss Anderson's presence. I looked at the games played by Anderson when the PELS won or lost. I don't have numbers to post but he takes a lot of shots in these games we have lost and he has a low percentage in those games. That's life and there's more to the story.

Do y'all remember games where Ryno tried iso and would do his awkward turnaround jumper which he'd take with 3 seconds left on the shot clock? Also, he'd play very poor defense and he may be injury prone and he might not be the same since the neck injury.... I see him as a great 3point specialist and excellent offensive rebounder. A good teammate. A good contract. But there's a few problems.... Could he be slowing the PELS down or limiting the team by taking poor shots and draining the clock not playing team ball? The team plays great without him. Ryno is unathletic and plays poor defense. He's a PF which is not a strong need for us. We need help in other areas.seems to me that Gordon is shooting a lot more in Ryno's absence. Gordon is playing great and he can score as much as Ryno. The big difference for me is that Gordon makes GREAT passes and is more of a clutch performer. Passing is huge.

I think we should trade Anderson in offseason. I think when he returns we need to limit his minutes. He's got to be more team-focused and take less iso plays. What do y'all think?

Last year, when I wanted him traded everyone was calling me crazy because of the value of a stretch 4 and all the things he does for tyreke. :idoh: Forget about defense and ability to rebound/attack the basket.

It's obvious Alexis Ajinca's performance make him more expendable. Once he return from injury, will Ajinca's playing time be reduced?

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Originally Posted by hornetslover89

It's obvious Alexis Ajinca's performance make him more expendable. Once he return from injury, will Ajinca's playing time be reduced?

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We need three point shooting from a small forward.

We can't afford the luxury of our PF camping on the 3 point line anymore.

AD , AA, and HOmer is a pretty good big man rotation now.

We don't miss THIS version of Ryan Anderson - at least not the road version.

But the question is: Do you think that this year's Ryan Anderson is how he plays for the remainder of his career or do you think that a summer of conditioning will have him return to form? Because if you get the Ryan Anderson from years prior, he is nowhere close to a liability and he makes the team far more dangerous than Ajinca, DC, etc. ever could.

I think MM's assessment of Ryno's conditioning is right on-point. He's been a liability this season... especially defensively. Even on offense if he's not making his shot he's at least a threat, and opens things up for the offense, but there's not hiding him defensively.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

We don't miss THIS version of Ryan Anderson - at least not the road version.

But the question is: Do you think that this year's Ryan Anderson is how he plays for the remainder of his career or do you think that a summer of conditioning will have him return to form? Because if you get the Ryan Anderson from years prior, he is nowhere close to a liability and he makes the team far more dangerous than Ajinca, DC, etc. ever could.

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Great observation. Is RA situation more mental than physical considering everything he had to deal with over the last two season? He's been through a lot. I think the Pelicans should be given credit for sticking with him. It will be great once he get back to his old playing style and conditioning.

We dont miss the ball-stopper iso Ryno. Other players have shown they can bring something offensively and get points and Dante is a better defender

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

We don't miss THIS version of Ryan Anderson - at least not the road version.

But the question is: Do you think that this year's Ryan Anderson is how he plays for the remainder of his career or do you think that a summer of conditioning will have him return to form? Because if you get the Ryan Anderson from years prior, he is nowhere close to a liability and he makes the team far more dangerous than Ajinca, DC, etc. ever could.

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I agree with this mostly, but I also see how well we play without him at this point and i wonder realistically what kind of impact he will get if he's somewhere in between Ryno now and Ryno then. One disturbing trend i've seen with him which isn't dictated by his injury is it feels like he's shooting more shots off the dribble and un assisted. I actually just went back and looked at it and that seems to be confirmed:

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As we can see, the 3 point shots stay pretty on point but his 2 point shots have dropped to a career low. Again, i think this is concerning but not deal breaking. I'd be fine with a Ryno trade, but i think we need to wait it out just a touch to see which Ryno we will get.

Even if Ryan does return to form it still doesn't make sense to keep him. We won't be able to afford him on his next contract nor does it make sense to tie that money into AD's backup. Trade him and get some value back and invest that money into a sf.

To me it all comes down to what you can get for Ryno. To me he isn't and never has been a piece that should be off limits.

I love how every ones throwing out the "injury prone" statement smh

Can you replace Ryno with a mix of Dunleavy and Babbit/ a bit that can shoot the 3?

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Originally Posted by Writhe

Last year, when I wanted him traded everyone was calling me crazy because of the value of a stretch 4 and all the things he does for tyreke. :idoh: Forget about defense and ability to rebound/attack the basket.

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u weren't the only one.

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Originally Posted by notime

I love how every ones throwing out the "injury prone" statement smh

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You're actually the second person on here to throw it out besides the OP.

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

You're actually the second person on here to throw it out besides the OP.

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Oh really? Bc I can count a number of other threads with it

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Originally Posted by notime

Oh really? Bc I can count a number of other threads with it

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I guess that doesn't matter. What's the argument? You don't think he's injury prone? What do you consider the definition of the phrase? I'm not sure i'm willing to label him that either yet, but he's certainly trending towards my definition at this point.

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Originally Posted by notime

Oh really? Bc I can count a number of other threads with it

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What's your tally?

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

I guess that doesn't matter. What's the argument? You don't think he's injury prone? What do you consider the definition of the phrase? I'm not sure i'm willing to label him that either yet, but he's certainly trending towards my definition at this point.

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A freak accident last year and a couple "weird" ones this year I mean injury prone for me constant injury to same locations say Derrick rose Brandon Roy and you might say that makes ad one then but really every injury he's had is completely different and most of the time they happen in the freakiest ways

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What's your tally?

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I think I called him injury prone before (I probably did come to think of it, so count me as one), but I have reversed that. He isn't so much injury prone as he has dropped of in performance due to injury. Time will tell if he can rebound to be the man we need.

Sorry for feeding gas to a dumpster fire of a notion.

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

I agree with this mostly, but I also see how well we play without him at this point and i wonder realistically what kind of impact he will get if he's somewhere in between Ryno now and Ryno then. One disturbing trend i've seen with him which isn't dictated by his injury is it feels like he's shooting more shots off the dribble and un assisted. I actually just went back and looked at it and that seems to be confirmed:

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As we can see, the 3 point shots stay pretty on point but his 2 point shots have dropped to a career low. Again, i think this is concerning but not deal breaking. I'd be fine with a Ryno trade, but i think we need to wait it out just a touch to see which Ryno we will get.

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I think a lot of this can be attributed to who he was stuck playing with on the 2nd unit. Being surrounded by a pre blowing up Ajinca (who did more fouling than scoring), Salmons/Miller, Jimmer, & Rivers would force any halfway decent player into having to shoulder a large amount of production.

I don't believe that given how our team is now that we would have to worry about Ryno forcing a ton of shots.

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Retarded Lion beats ALL!

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

u weren't the only one.

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Anderson was a very valuable player before he suffered a serious injury.

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Originally Posted by notime

A freak accident last year and a couple "weird" ones this year I mean injury prone for me constant injury to same locations say Derrick rose Brandon Roy and you might say that makes ad one then but really every injury he's had is completely different and most of the time they happen in the freakiest ways

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See i call that reoccurring injuries or a degenerative issue. I consider injury prone someone who has a freak accident here and a few other weird ones. To each their own though. I guess it is a very liberal phrase.

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

See i call that reoccurring injuries or a degenerative issue. I consider injury prone someone who has a freak accident here and a few other weird ones. To each their own though. I guess it is a very liberal phrase.

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I mean, to me, injury prone should be easily defined. Your body is more prone to sustaining an injury than the average guy.

Two guys have the same (x) impact and one has (y) injury result and the other has (z) non-injury result, then one guy is more injury prone than the other. At least with regard to that part of the body.

So, for me, Gordon is an injury prone guy because he gets banged up everywhere and misses games because of different kinds of impact - many of which other guys' bodies can sustain.

Ryno, meanwhile, had a major injury that any spine would have suffered with that kind of impact at that angle, speed, etc. The ankle/knee injury, I don't know. Maybe some better athletes could have been okay.

But by my definition, I don't consider him injury prone.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

I mean, to me, injury prone should be easily defined. Your body is more prone to sustaining an injury than the average guy.

Two guys have the same (x) impact and one has (y) injury result and the other has (z) non-injury result, then one guy is more injury prone than the other. At least with regard to that part of the body.

So, for me, Gordon is an injury prone guy because he gets banged up everywhere and misses games because of different kinds of impact - many of which other guys' bodies can sustain.

Ryno, meanwhile, had a major injury that any spine would have suffered with that kind of impact at that angle, speed, etc. The ankle/knee injury, I don't know. Maybe some better athletes could have been okay.

But by my definition, I don't consider him injury prone.

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And what happens if he comes back in the playoffs and hurts a wrist? Where's your line?

Injury prone imo is simple. Someone who often misses a bunch of games due to injury.

HOW / WHY the injury occurred means nothing to me. Missing games is missing games. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

I mean, to me, injury prone should be easily defined. Your body is more prone to sustaining an injury than the average guy.

Two guys have the same (x) impact and one has (y) injury result and the other has (z) non-injury result, then one guy is more injury prone than the other. At least with regard to that part of the body.

So, for me, Gordon is an injury prone guy because he gets banged up everywhere and misses games because of different kinds of impact - many of which other guys' bodies can sustain.

Ryno, meanwhile, had a major injury that any spine would have suffered with that kind of impact at that angle, speed, etc. The ankle/knee injury, I don't know. Maybe some better athletes could have been okay.

But by my definition, I don't consider him injury prone.

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Might have to take into account play style. Guys like Westbrook, Rose who are constantly accelerating and jumping are putting themselves in a situation to get hurt more often.

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

And what happens if he comes back in the playoffs and hurts a wrist? Where's your line?

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Depends on how he hurts it I suppose. Skies for a dunk, then gets undercut and lands on it (most likely obviously!), then I say it is a fluke injury.

Something smaller - injury prone

NOLA:

Where players come to get injured, then hypothetically traded.

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Originally Posted by PhilJFry

Might have to take into account play style. Guys like Westbrook, Rose who are constantly accelerating and jumping are putting themselves in a situation to get hurt more often.

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I agree, and to be honest, unless we have access to every players doctors, we can never know for sure. As fans, we will always be limited in this information. I mean, as a fan, I would have never taken a chance on Jared Dudley this summer, but if I am Milwaukee and could get access to his medical history, talk to his doctors, and I know the strengths of my own staff, maybe I make a different decision.

We are just so limited looking at it from here.

I think the stat that BallSoHard threw out should be very eye opening. You can stick Ryan Anderson out there with 4 8th graders and generate good shots, now making them is another story. Mostly related to skill and talent, you can fix that. Look at Philly, they generally generate good shots, they just don't make them. They then compound that problem by allowing the other team to generate good shots. Again whether the other team makes them or not is irrelevent. Ryan Anderson took bad shots. Can he rectify this? Those are the important points.

I think Anderson needs to be traded in the off season.

I disagree. The 2012 and pre-injury 2013 Ryan Anderson was a great addition to the Pelicans on a favorable contract and if I remember right he only cost us Gustavo Ayon, a hard working but mediocre player. His 3 pt shooting and stats were improving every year, his rebounding is better than expected and he is a clutch FT shooter. I also think he is a better defensive player than what given credit for. When he returned in 2014 he was obviously not in his usual physical condition and looker heavier and slower than usual. Don't forget the guy is resilient considering he recovered from the tragic suicide of his girlfriend to post record numbers before going down with a major injury. Stretch 4's with Ryno's ability to hit the long ball at a 40% rate are rare and don't fall off of trees. His elbow and knee injuries are relatively minor but his recovery from the cervical spine injury with nerve damage to his shooting arm can take months or a year to recover from. I am of the belief that a summer of recovery and rehab will result in the return of the old Ryno in 2015 and considering he is only 26 years old that his shooting will continue to improve over the next several years that he has the potential to become the elite NBA 3Pt shooter because of his form, height and quick release. To trade him at half value would be ludicrous especially considering his future potential. Due to injuries to EG and Drew and the loss of Morrow Ryno was being asked to shoulder the whole offense at times this year. If the Pelicans can become fully healthy Ryno will be a 6th man brought in to drain 3's and could potentially be the X factor to put the team over the top. I guess no one will know until the 2015 season but my money is on Ryno returning to full strength and being a major piece of the Pelicans team.

I honestly like Ryan Anderson as a player and locker room guy. I also think we could trade Ryan Anderson, Asik, and Eric Gordon. We use the cap space/MLE to sign or receive in trade a starting SF, Starting bruiser type center (Ajinca starts when not facing big center), a backup shooting guard, and backup power forward. I don't see those 3 guys being on the team when we make a deep run in playoffs. I honestly think AD develops a 3 point threat later in his career. I should say a 3 Pt threat where he can make one if he is wide open so you have to respect it.


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