the talking heads on TV seem to think this is possible
I really like the team that's building here
Kd is great, but he is 34
This team has a great chance to be the future of the league
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the talking heads on TV seem to think this is possible
I really like the team that's building here
Kd is great, but he is 34
This team has a great chance to be the future of the league
Griff chased titles before with the diva star, he isnt doing it again. You guys can debate for fun if that interests you, but dont worry, Griff aint doing it
KD is good for maybe another year or two. He's already breaking down.
When has it ever worked out to trade for an NBA player in their mid 30s? Chris Paul and it still didn't work to the tune of a title. I'm not counting Lebron's mickey mouse bull******** title.
This should be obvious to anyone who follows the NBA. Griff got raked over the coals for his comments about not having fun in Cleveland. “Everything we did was so inorganic and unsustainable and, frankly, not fun. I was miserable,” Griffin says. “Literally the moment we won the championship I knew I was gonna leave. There was no way I was gonna stay for any amount of money.”
https://nypost.com/2019/08/01/winnin...fin-miserable/
All the talking heads on teevee know this, but their job is to come up with trade scenarios and trade scenarios are fun to talk about and suck in viewers. Ignore the noise.
The thing is, that when a team does usually make a trade for a player like that, they have to give up so much that they dont have the roster to compete. If the Pels have to give up say BI, Graham, Hayes, and picks, he would come to a loaded freaking roster
Again, aint happening, but yes they would be a real title team and could even have a good window because as KD goes down 5% every year, Zion, Daniels, Herb, Trey, etc could be all going up 5% every year
I watched the Lakers sell their soul for Lebron... hilarious how everyone calls him a basketball genius when even people barely paying attention would know that the EXACT way to sabotage the Lakers would be to trade Kyle Kuzma, Montrez Harrell, Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, and a 1st round pick for Westbrick.... Though my suspicion is that Lebron thought he'd just let Westbrick run the offense so he himself could take it easy and play off the ball and show everyone he can be as good a shooter as Curry, because Lebron is precisely that amount of narcissistic.
In any case, I don't think Griffin wants to go down the diva path again after having a taste of it once before. Diva ball is not something I'd stick around for either... the Pels are currently right there with Golden State as being two of the top anti-diva teams in the league.
Agreed
Why not get him. If KD says he’d like to play here give up the minimum you can and load up on picks.
I'm good on that. I'm good on dealing BI or Z for KD. Now CJ? Ofcourse I'd be all for that, but the persona of this team is what I love the most and I don't wanna ruin that. I'm betting on Zion to maximize his potential going forward. Seems he's turned a corner mentally and the team has culturally, so im not trading our young franchise cornerstones for a elite player that jumps teams every few years.
I think the false illusion is that anything lasts in this league for years and years. Yes, Zion and BI are both young, but objective history says that these guys wont all just grow together and be together for a decade. The Warriors are the vast, vast, vast outlier. People saying "we would only get 3 or 4 years of KD" and simultaneously assuming you are gonna get 8-10 of BI and Zion, are not acting in good faith IMO. All these guys are likely leaving at some point, often sooner than expected. I saw some list today of guys that have been on the same team for I think it was 7 or 8 years and it was SPARCE. Like, 5 players, only 2 or 3 non-Warriors.
It aint gonna happen, but if you guys think all these young guys are all gonna be on this team for 5-10 years, prepare to be disappointed. Heck, if 2 of Zion, Daniels, BI, Herb, and Trey are on this team for the rest of the decade, it would be a major outlier
Are you the same guy that just said this:
"I am genuinely asking because I have never understood - what does the 'chip do re: joy, happiness, etc? People will say its a fantastic feeling when it happens and "banners fly forever" etc, but I just dont buy that. I think the joy comes from seeing the guys evolve and grind and run into walls one year, then jump over them the next, hit a new wall and then finally overcome to win. But its the players you connect with, that you see come up and root for and feel their failures, and then the joy comes from their success.
Yes, the franchise itself winning is awesome but I just dont believe that it would have been blissful if the Saints traded away Brees for a mercenary season of Favre and won it that way in 2010. But maybe that is just me getting older and finding the joy in the humans and the process, and not the end result as much"
So we watch BI grind his way into success and fully embrace the Pelicans, and you're willing to cast him aside for a ring chasing Durant who's on the decline?
(well maybe not on the decline)
Shamit posed an interesting scenario: "What if Heat need a 3rd team to swap Bam Adebayo for assets for KD? What's your max offer?" * Bam can't be traded to BKN Nets if Simmons is still there, some cap rule thing.
A call-back to that "Cash in on that Lakers pick offer Now?" thread, and Bam was Mac's choice.
I clearly said above I wouldnt trade BI. I was discussing a talking point (keep guys together long term) and simply pointing out that people should be prepared to be gone sooner than they think. They arent going to all grow and stay together. If 2 or 3 do, its an outlier. I, MICHAEL MCNAMARA, would rather see a team stay together even if that means falling short. Just pointing out that NBA history says that wont happen - its just a matter of when most of them get traded/leave
Yeah, I would do something like:
Nets get: JV, Herro, Trey, Hayes, Kira, Pels 2023 pick (w/Lakers swap rights), Lakers 2024/25 pick, Pels 2027 1st
Heat get: KD
Pels get: Bam
Nets get a bunch of good, likeable guys with upside and good to great picks, Heat go for it with KD, Lowry, and Jimmy for next few years. Pels got their foundation. Hurts to give up Trey, but you gotta do it.
That seems like a good framework. Definitely would hurt to lose Trey, but Bam is elite and could complete an ultra core.
Deep in negotiations with Sean Marks, he says "We're gonna need Brooklyn's own hometown underdog hero - Jose Alvarado, to sell to our fans after losing out on AD." You say ? Probably a reluctant 'OK,' but man that would extra hurt for awhile. Until Dyson/Herb/Ingram/Zion/Bam lineups start dominating...
The trade machine visual: https://fanspo.com/nba/s/pelicans/tr...-assets-to-bkn
Damn... him mad.
MM talks a lot of trash about reading for someone with so many consistent spelling and grammatical mistakes. Anyway, back to basketball.
Nets definitely would want Herb in that package, and even then I don't see them going for it unless they really, really value Herro for some reason, and Heat also throw in picks... They are going to ask for either BI or Zion, or else tell us to kick rocks, which is fine with me.
Hope I'm wrong though. Adding Bam to Zion and BI would be great.
i guess right now zion has a door open to new york to live out his dream lol....
I'd give up another pick in that scenario to not give up Herb. I think he's your ideal lockdown guy you need around CJ, BI, and Zion. The 5 man lineup of CJ, BI, Herb, Zion, Bam is one of the best in the league, maybe the best. Dyson, Jose, Nance, Devonte waiting in the wings. Man that would be something else.
Not sure the Nets would want JV included in a Kyrie trade if they are getting Ayton in the Durant trade.
Here's the difference to me. If you have the young guys, and it's time to move off of them for whatever reason: Your return for those guys will be that of stars in their prime. If you have KD and it's time to move on, it's either for peanuts or he's just retiring. I'd rather hold onto the assets
Herb's going to be on a 4/$90 mil contract sooner than we think.
My only question regarding Durant, since I don’t think Griff would consider trading BI or Zion, is what kind of stars could he realistically fetch with the war chest of picks as it stands. Can he put together a package of stars for Durant just by doing the leg work on those picks. Could he go get John Collins, Gobert, and Cam Johnson by trading away every pick from now until 2027 and would that be enough to get it done. I know there’s cap concerns but this is assuming JV, Graham, and Jax were going out
Thinking further, I think there’s a chance you could get Collins and Anunoby using basically just picks alone. Then you build your Durant package around those two. That may be more appetizing to Brooklyn than 7 picks for a team that doesn’t hold the rights to their own, and I do think it beats out any Phoenix offer as long as they don’t include Bridges and aren’t interested in Ayton’s max
Atlanta is jumping hard into Phoenix and Nets talks, looking to send Brooklyn Collins and other stuff, with Ayton coming to Atlanta
Nets walk away with Bridges, Collins, maybe Huerter and a bunch of picks. That ain’t a bad haul