Are y ‘ all ready now? Trust the process! We can go anywhere you want with this thread. Have a trade idea post it. Do you think the future is bright in the long run discuss our tank. Discuss what we can get in draft.
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Are y ‘ all ready now? Trust the process! We can go anywhere you want with this thread. Have a trade idea post it. Do you think the future is bright in the long run discuss our tank. Discuss what we can get in draft.
I thought THIS year was NEXT year.
Trying to get Beal here now is nearly impossible on the trade machine without giving up Zion or Ingram. Griff. really screwed up our chance at Beal.
Can’t get Jaylen Brown either
Can’t trade Temple on the machine. Thanks David.
I think I'm 10 more losses away to becoming an Memphis Grizzlies fan lol
They are an easy team to root for... still don't know why they traded val for adams and draft compensation since he is the perfect fit with ja and jjj... minus the Williams pick, they have hit on most of their picks and have a good coach to go along... ja is such a special talent though that elevates his team and you can easily see how good he is as a leader at such a young age...
We are baddddddddddddd
The explanation I saw from most Grizz fans I followed was basically that Jonas was too good and too vocal, and that he was basically just allowing the youth to rely on him too much as a leader, stunting their development a little. Therefore trading him away made them worse as a team, as he was their best player, but is a long-term move to allow Ja and co to really blossom into those leadership positions.
What does Zion > Ja mean? It hasn’t been mentioned in this thread, but I have seen it running wild on Twitter, and I’m not following the basis for the reasoning.
I'd much rather my team follow Ja's lead than Zion's. The most important item in a box score for a leader is not points scored...not assists....not rebounds....not shooting %. The most important item in a box score is your name. I want nobody on the Pelicans to follow Zion's lead.
Three years...three injuries (it's really five years if you count Duke and his last year at Spartanburg Day).
RELIABILITY IS A PREREQUISITE FOR GREATNESS!!
I'm man enough to admit it, MAC was right!!!
Maravich and Zion's to score were/are almost unearthly. That doesn't necessarily translate into them being championship caliber basketball players.
In theory Zion is the the better talent, but Ja imo is a better player because his play style contribute to more winning games (lead guard controlling pace, leader, healthy). To be fair I don't think no one seen this version of Zion in the NBA when the two were being compared so I can't fault new Orleans for taking him because it's been fools gold.
myself and one other person had the guts to say we would draft ja over zion....my main reason was that i wanted my dominate player at the 1-3 and the team can get better overall by addition by subtraction by getting everything we can from memphis and giving up lonzo....i just figure it would have been easy to build around jrue,, ingram and ja with all of the picks we would have had from memphis and lakers at that time....
im going to die on the hill of we should had drafted ja over zion
y'all are legit ridiculous lol
Hahahahaha!
Didn't realize you guys made this thread. Please don't delete anything. This is going to be bumped for amusement constantly.
I wouldn't mind having buddy hield over here despite him being overpaid... he would be nice coming off the bench with naw at the point to get us some fire power and more dead eye shooters. The question is do we value the expiring contracts of sato and hart more for other trade options and or flexibility or are we reluctant to get attached to buddy's overpaid contract.
We also still have a 17m tpe which we could use to target someone within that range to help this team.
We are not getting anywhere with this lineup.
I have trade if Ingram wants to be moved eventually
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ygcfdepb
As for Beal, Grif screwed us there. This is all I could come up
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yfggantt
Core of this team should be: Ingram, Herb, maybe Murphy, whoever you get for Zion, and whoever you get with the 2022 pick
Seeing that the 2022 draft is front court heavy, I would move Zion for the best available backcourt player. A playmaker who allows leads vocally and by example. Man, Ja would be nice, no? Donovan Mitchell would be great, but no way he wants to come to New Orleans. Cant get Lamelo. I'd trade Zion, Sato, Hart, and Kira for Fox, Barnes, 2 firsts, and 3 pick swaps.
Let Willie figure out the defense, but he has a ton of firepower on offense and you give NAW and Hayes one last chance with an electric point guard to see if he can get them easy looks, rim runs, etc. If not, they become contracts to package with picks to get guys who can be effective 2 way players. Besides, Herb can lock all 5 guys down by himself
Fox-Ingram-Barnes-Herb-Jonas starting 5
Graham is your super 6th, Murphy your 7th
NAW and Hayes are wild cards
Tons of picks to fill out the roster, including our own in 2022. But again, most importantly, HERB!!!!
Man I hope that these extensions of Zion's return from injury are true, but I have feeling that this is just a way to allow the fanbase to become completely disgusted with Zion. This way the team can then trade him with no anger from the fanbase.
I'm tired of going through these situations with the franchise whether this happens or not. I have become drained emotionally because I fully support our home team or any NOLA team. I'm at the point of whatever happens...happens, which is dangerous when the fans don't care.
Unless it is propaganda Jimmertime has been shooting 70 pts in China.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=CX8q0LCWixM
A role player is not a core guy IMO. But its all semantics I suppose. For instance, I would call Jrue, Middleton, and Giannis the Bucks "core" last year. Sure, Brook helped and has been there a while. But to me, a core guy is on the floor to end games in every situation, against every team and he defines what you do on at least one end of the court. Not compliments what you do. Defines what you do.
And you guys can get all hyped about Jonas on offense, but he wouldn't be on the court to end games in the playoffs because every team would do what the Kings did and put him in the P&R every possession and shoot like 80% off that simple action. Graham, on a playoff team, is a lesser Lou Williams. And we saw Lou get played off the court in series. Nice players, not core players
Turns out going between like, the 6th and the 1st best professional leagues in the world is a big change in competition level.
Take, for example, the massive step down in production and efficiency he saw when he tried doing Euroleague for a year instead (which is a few steps up from the Chinese league).
2018-19 Shanghai Sharks: 36.9ppg, 5.7rbds, 5.4asts, 2.6 stls
2019-20 Euroleague: 12.9pts, 2.1rbds, 1.8asts, 0.8stls
Across his first 3 years in China, Jimmer averaged about 27 field goal attempts per game. About 24 attempts per 36.
In Euroleague, 14 attempts per 36.
As soon as he gets placed into a real team context against higher levels of competition, his numbers plummet. The efficiency is still good because he can still shoot, that's not propaganda, but this mythology of him being some Mega-MJ in China is based entirely on him throwing up more shots per game than Jordan ever did, against a sub-G League level of competition.
Anyone got ideas?
Bring back...
Julian Wright
Cheick Diallo
Jeff Withy
Frank Jackson
Jimmer Fredette
How wild is it that less than 1 month ago people were excited about NAW, and now they see him and say “nah” to him in the teams long term future. Heck we thought Jax was something too. Oh well.
Pelicans fan live off of hopium.
I complained all off season how all moves we made weren't going to be enough. NAW wasn't a good shooter and he can barely be healthy to be an inconsistent bench guy much less a starter.
When starters are getting blown out by 20 points in preseason... I said this didn't look right. You see the talent gap.
You spend three years going sideways while the rest of the league gets better. Now... Everyone acts so shocked.
With or without Zion, we still are a losing team.
Trade JV to Warriors for Kuminga and Moody. Trade Zion to Boston for Brown and a couple picks. Trade for Sexton and Bagley, I doubt it’d take a lot to get them. Start Sexton, Brown, Ingram, Kuminga, and Bagley. Second team would be Graham, NAW, Trey, Herbert, and Hayes. Moody and Kira deep bench until they prove themselves
Expendable to get anything- Hart, Sato, and Temple. I’d be happy if they traded these guys for love from Cleveland especially if it got us Sexton.
cause people live in the moment. just like now when we're upset about Zion and all of a sudden he has to get traded immediately LMAO. Or how we thought Graham was worse than Zo and Jonas didn't make sense on this team at the time of the trade. People don't need to be patient, but they certainly need perspective. Too much jumping the gun from the so called, "fans"