Hypothetical Jax + Trades

Jaxson Hayes will not be on this team long term, and has as good of a chance being traded in the next few months as he does being on the roster come training camp. His agent is seeking stupid money and he is not the most mature guy in the world, making him a non ideal 'people' fit for what Griff is building. The hope is to attach him to Temple and/or Graham and get something back that is usuable while also opening up some cap and roster flexibility. Some things to know first:

- Pels are at 15 roster spots, without EJ. While they could give him a two-way and he would accept, it would still be nice to have an open roster spot come March at the latest
- Pels will be about 2.6 million under the lux tax after Daniels signs. Pels will not pay lux tax this year. Future years, for sure. This year, it wont happen
- Temple has 1 year and 5.15 mil on his deal (with a non guaranteed 5.4 mil the following year)
- Hayes has 6.8 on his deal this year and will get a QO of around 7 mil next year (since he wont qualify for starters criteria)
- Graham basically has 11.5 this year, 12.1 next year, and then 2.8 of his 12.6 is guaranteed in 2024-25

With that said, here are some theoretical targets that would be legal and viable. Feel free to add your own to the thread:

Hayes Plus Temple (12 mil going out, have to take back a min of 7 mil, a max of 17 mil)

- Josh Richardson
- Terrance Ross
- Jordan Clarkson
- Luke Kennard
- KCP
- Doug McDermott
- Kelly Oubre
- Kelly Olynyk
- Alec Burks
- Nerlens Noel
- Mason Plumlee

Hayes Plus Graham (19 mil going out, have to take 14 mil back, a max of 24 mil coming in)

- Will Barton
- K Huerter
- Malik Beasley
- Duncan Robinson
- Evan Fournier
- Bogdan Bogdanovic
- Harrison Barnes
- Bojan Bogdanovic
- Tim Hardaway, Jr

Hayes plus Graham plus Temple (24 mil going out, have to take back 19 mil, a max of 31 back)

- Can combine any two from the first list or one from the bottom of the first list and one from top of 2nd (example - Barton and Plumlee in a 3 teamer)
- Nerlens Noel and Alec Burks from the Knicks is a great 3-for-2 for both teams IMO
- Galinari
- Brogdon
- Kevin Love

I will continue to be the advocate for Harry B, contingent upon his willingness to accept a reserve role. He’s on a one year deal so you can just let him walk after this season if Daniels and EJ exceed expectations. Some potential at his age to get him back next season on the MLE, but you’re ok if he walks.

Gives you near elite shooting and pretty solid defense. Again, the only question is will he give you more than he gave Sac. I’m under the opinion that he would

Would be pretty happy about Beasley. That guy can just turn into a flamethrower sometimes. (I remember he had 11 threes in a game last year.)

Luke Kennard too even though I know he's bbq chicken in the playoffs, maybe you can just throw him into a good defensive lineup and hide him.

KCP can defend, I know his threes can be a little inconsistent, but he's not just 'good' defensively, I'd say he's nice.

I've previously floated out the idea of Jax plus Graham for Duncan Robinson. It think it's highly unlikely that Miami would agree (unless maybe we sweeten the pot with a future draft pick). But it does seem that they might have buyer's remorse after giving him his current contract.

I bet the Heat would do Hayes plus Temple and Naji in a millisecond. I think it would be us saying no

Need to do some research on who is buddies with CJ

Michael, can you list the ones that you think have the best chance to happen?

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

I bet the Heat would do Hayes plus Temple and Naji in a millisecond. I think it would be us saying no

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Would they? They tout their culture. Would they want Hayes to be part of that?

Would love Huerter, but see no reason Atlanta would consider that.

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

Would they? They tout their culture. Would they want Hayes to be part of that?

Would love Huerter, but see no reason Atlanta would consider that.

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1 year of Hayes vs 3.5 of Robinson at an average of ~18 mil

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Originally Posted by AusPel

1 year of Hayes vs 3.5 of Robinson at an average of ~18 mil

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Yeah, I guess they could dump him and just save the salary long term. I was thinking of Hayes being a bad fit, but could just be a financial move like you said. Personally, I would not be excited to add Duncan given his contract.

100% a fiscal decision

I’m looking at Kevin Love pretty hard. Gives you outside scoring as well as legitimate big man presence. Sorta lol. Also opens more roster spots than getting more than 1 person.

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Originally Posted by coreylaron

I’m looking at Kevin Love pretty hard. Gives you outside scoring as well as legitimate big man presence. Sorta lol. Also opens more roster spots than getting more than 1 person.

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He can shoot and he's an expiring, but that's basically all the positives for KLove imo. His salary is still so big - $28m - that he'd take multiple guys to add up to it, and Cleveland have themselves an nice little core going on so I don't really know that they'd want to take on our guys like Temple. They've got no need for Devonte' given that they have two small offense-first guards already, both of whom are better than Devonte', and with Jarrett Allen and Lauri Markkanen, I don't really know how much interest they'd have in Jax either with the upcoming extension.

Here is my wish. numbersAttachment 6636 work but we may need to add a little sweeter

All things considered: contract, talent, role acceptance, team-culture fit:

Burks
Ross
McDermott
Huerter
Kennard
Bogdanavic s

Beasley and Bamba I think would be nice fits. I’d take a chance on Culver if Beasley isn’t available. All these guys should keep us under the cap if we move Hayes, Graham, and Temple.

Would love to try Bamba but I have a feeling he will get big money.

I think the Pels need a player who is willing to come off the bench, but also talented enough to start if something happens to CJ.
They have plenty of point guard options. From the lists above the type of guy I would be looking for would be....

Terrance Ross
Jordan Clarkson
Alec Burks
Will Barton
KCP

In no particular order, I do not know enough about them as teammates or individuals.

I'd only be looking for guys on great contracts or with 1 year left on their deal, so whichever shooters that can also play defense and fit that criteria, that's who I'd be interested in.

New Orleans gets Justin Holiday (1 Year)

Sacramento gets JAX, Temple

Sacramento needs frontcourt help and would get to kick the tires on JAX to see what's there. Justin Holiday is expendable because they just drafted Keegan Murray and would be a nice one year addition to the Pelicans (upgrade from Temple) as Daniels assimilates into the NBA. Further, this trade would open up a roster spot for Liddell.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=296hq23v

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Originally Posted by As I See It

New Orleans gets Justin Holiday (1 Year)

Sacramento gets JAX, Temple

Sacramento needs frontcourt help and would get to kick the tires on JAX to see what's there. Justin Holiday is expendable because they just drafted Keegan Murray and would be a nice one year addition to the Pelicans (upgrade from Temple) as Daniels assimilates into the NBA. Further, this trade would open up a roster spot for Liddell.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=296hq23v

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Is Sacramento too close to Los Angeles? I wonder if he would rather not be in California with the incident there. I was thinking Kennard would be a great target, but Hayes would likely have to be re-routed elsewhere if he was involved.

Kennard would fit great if he's really available for what Pels have left to trade. Duke connection, great 3 pt. shooter and good creator. Would be great to add him while shedding Graham either in that trade or elsewhere (or keep both until trade deadline / next offseason?).

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Originally Posted by Rheem654

Is Sacramento too close to Los Angeles? I wonder if he would rather not be in California with the incident there.

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Sacramento is nearly 400 miles away from Los Angeles. That's like saying you don't want to go to Paris because you had some bad times in London.

In any case it doesn't really matter whether Jax would want to or not because he doesn't have a no trade clause and nobody cares. Players get traded to places they'd rather not be all the time.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Sacramento is nearly 400 miles away from Los Angeles. That's like saying you don't want to go to Paris because you had some bad times in London.

In any case it doesn't really matter whether Jax would want to or not because he doesn't have a no trade clause and nobody cares. Players get traded to places they'd rather not be all the time.

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Well the difference is, those are two different countries and this would be in the same state, the next major city over and a very short flight away for a young millionaire. And he has high profile criminal charges in the state of California. I see those 4 teams not seeing Hayes as worth that history and risk.

And it's not about where he wants, it's about whther a team would see this as an red flag issue and not worth taking the gamble on for a non-star player. Especially a team like the Kings who seems to be focused on adding team-first, high character players to the locker room, # team culture.

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Originally Posted by Silver Nail

Here is my wish. numbersAttachment 6636 work but we may need to add a little sweeter

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I'd like to get Brogdon, too. While I'm concerned his minutes could stunt Dyson's development, I think there enough dog days and injury minutes to keep all the guards happy, especially if we get off DG. Not to mention saving CJ's legs for the playoffs.

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Originally Posted by redrum

I think the Pels need a player who is willing to come off the bench, but also talented enough to start if something happens to CJ.
They have plenty of point guard options. From the lists above the type of guy I would be looking for would be....

Terrance Ross
Jordan Clarkson
Alec Burks
Will Barton
KCP

In no particular order, I do not know enough about them as teammates or individuals.

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Really like Clarkson for the exact reasons you mentioned unless there is a culture problem with him that I don't know about.

Ross would be fine for 3s, but is he still productive at this point in his career? I haven't paid attention.

Either way I really hope we focus on getting another on-ball guard for the bench. Can't roll with just CJ and Jose (and whenever Kira returns).

I find myself increasingly disinterested in people who have one real skill and who would need minutes over developing players. If you're going to bump a developing player down the rotation but you're a real player with impact, that's cool, but if you have one skill and its scoring, not interested. With JV, Ingram, CJ, and Zion, we should be able to have at least 2 all-star calibre scorers on the court at any one time. Don't need Jordan Clarkson.

i want us to replace jax with another big 6'9+ that can play defense and respectable on offense meaning if you leave him open then he can knock down a shot so defenders cant crowd the paint so our skill players can do work.....rebound and set good screens.....someone where we can start him and nance a game or two to give zion and jonas games off and still be productive because i think we will be a 50 win team if health allow us.....

dont know who that player is but if we go that route then i hope he is on that type of level....

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Originally Posted by 6warddude

i want us to replace jax with another big 6'9+ that can play defense and respectable on offense meaning if you leave him open then he can knock down a shot so defenders cant crowd the paint so our skill players can do work.....rebound and set good screens.....someone where we can start him and nance a game or two to give zion and jonas games off and still be productive because i think we will be a 50 win team if health allow us.....

dont know who that player is but if we go that route then i hope he is on that type of level....

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So you want a cheaper, taller, younger, Andre Iguodala !!!! Good Luck !

Or EJ Liddell.

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Originally Posted by RUFshreve

Or EJ Liddell.

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I'm probably being biased because we drafted him, but the more I watch EJ, the more optimistic I am about him taking Jax and eventually Nance's minutes (in a year or two). He looks too stiff to be more than a 3rd option on the floor, and a little too small to play important minutes when the other team has size on the floor, but he is probably already comparable, if not better, than Jax

Brooklyn Gets JAX, Graham and Future 1st

New Orleans gets Joe Harris (lifetime 44% from 3 on moderate volume)

To open a spot for Liddell