Jrue to Celtics?

Apparently the Celtics are inquiring about Jrue Holiday's availability.

If they mention the name Jayson Tatum, I'd listen.

https://sports.yahoo.com/m/1e172424-...3A-boston.html

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Originally Posted by As I See It

Apparently the Celtics are inquiring about Jrue Holiday's availability.

If they mention the name Jason Tatum, I'd listen.

https://sports.yahoo.com/m/1e172424-...3A-boston.html

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For the same haul we wanted for AD, sure. Actually, more because he has 2 years. I want Tatum, Brown, Smart, all their picks, and they can have Ingram.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

For the same haul we wanted for AD, sure. Actually, more because he has 2 years. I want Tatum, Brown, Smart, all their picks, and they can have Ingram.

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Sure, that's the cost.

Ainge doesn't like, sorry. Jrue's a franchise player.

Ok, well we aren't going to get that. What if it's Brown, a first rounder this year and the Memphis pick next year?

Tempting. Get younger with Brown at the same position, get a good mid-first rounder this year (Brandon Clarke?!) and another valuable chip in the Memphis pick next year. If you're doing a traditional rebuild, you'd do it. But Holiday is special and not just for what he does on the court. He sets a tone for the organization and going all young guys is a pretty sure ticket to being irrelevant for at least a couple of seasons. Plus, you'd have to think about paying both Brown and Ingram next offseason.

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Originally Posted by new city champ

Ok, well we aren't going to get that.

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Then they aren't going to get Jrue. Sorry.

Jrue should be untouchable. period.

Pass

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Originally Posted by JunkHead

Jrue should be untouchable. period.

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I hear you, but it's a business. Everybody can be had for the right price.

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Originally Posted by new city champ

Ok, well we aren't going to get that. What if it's Brown, a first rounder this year and the Memphis pick next year?

Tempting. Get younger with Brown at the same position, get a good mid-first rounder this year (Brandon Clarke?!) and another valuable chip in the Memphis pick next year. If you're doing a traditional rebuild, you'd do it. But Holiday is special and not just for what he does on the court. He sets a tone for the organization and going all young guys is a pretty sure ticket to being irrelevant for at least a couple of seasons. Plus, you'd have to think about paying both Brown and Ingram next offseason.

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Nah. Pass. We aren't a charity. If they want Jrue they pay for it. Unlike AD he hasn't demanded a trade and has 2+1 left on his deal.

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Originally Posted by As I See It

I hear you, but it's a business. Everybody can be had for the right price.

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Correct. The right price. Which for Boston is everything they have. Ainge has tried to play cute for too long and has missed multiple opportunities. Jrue is near untouchable for us so he has to pay a king's ransom.

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Originally Posted by As I See It

I hear you, but it's a business. Everybody can be had for the right price.

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Sure. And the right price is the entire Celtics future, all of their players we want, every pick they have and will have. They'll have to Billy King themselves just like the Lakers have.

If you want a player gone, you're willing to take less than maybe they are worth.

If you want to keep a player, then if another team wants them, they're going to have to overpay.

If you want to keep a player, make them your franchise veteran, keep them on the team for their entire career and potential stick their jersey in the rafters, then they're going to have to overpay so hard it makes them bleed from the ears.

Jrue is the latter. Ainge wants him, cool: so do I. What's he willing to give to pry him away, because it will take everything. With interest.

Jrue has a price. I love Jrue. But Jrue has a price.

Let's speak honestly about the negatives: He's 29 years old, undersized for his position, a sub par 3 pt shooter, highest paid player on the team, and with 2 years left on his deal.

Our franchise player is 19.

Everybody knows the positives. But let's not pretend like Jrue is the perfect fit on this team.

Again, I say all this as a HUGE Jrue Holiday fan. But, he has a price that I'd be willing to trade him for, and it's much less than the sun, the moon, and the stars.

Jaylen Brown, Marcus Smart, pick #20, and the Memphis pick is the LEAST I would be willing to accept.

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Originally Posted by NMThreeMVP

Jrue has a price. I love Jrue. But Jrue has a price.

Let's speak honestly about the negatives: He's 29 years old, undersized for his position, a sub par 3 pt shooter, highest paid player on the team, and with 2 years left on his deal.

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He's not undersized at all. He's a touch over 6'4, and he's a shooting guard. That's perfectly normal. Wade was 6'4, didn't trouble him at all. Third best SG of all time.

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Originally Posted by NMThreeMVP

Jrue has a price. I love Jrue. But Jrue has a price.

Let's speak honestly about the negatives: He's 29 years old, undersized for his position, a sub par 3 pt shooter, highest paid player on the team, and with 2 years left on his deal.

Our franchise player is 19.

Everybody knows the positives. But let's not pretend like Jrue is the perfect fit on this team.

Again, I say all this as a HUGE Jrue Holiday fan. But, he has a price that I'd be willing to trade him for, and it's much less than the sun, the moon, and the stars.

Jaylen Brown, Marcus Smart, pick #20, and the Memphis pick is the LEAST I would be willing to accept.

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If Tatum ain't in it I ain't accepting. Swap Brown for Tatum and I'd take that deal.

Jrue should literally be untouchable. Yes every player has a price... I get that.

But I think this is more about culture and loyalty.

Jrue has agreed to be our leader. He is "the man".

You keep him. Despite all trades. Despite all picks you throw.

Jrue should be more important that just to show the team, the fans, and the city how important he is.

I think for Jrue you have to look beyond just stats. With all the new change for this team Jrue is providing some stability to help transition us into the future. Does he have a price? Sure but its higher then his stats and age show.

Jrue needs to be here for at least the next 2 years especially with all the young players that we will have coming in.

You guys are crazy. He's 29 and doesn't ultimately fit our timeline. I'd take Brown, Smart and the Memphis pick and be very happy about it. Or, Brown, the Memphis pick and two firsts this year. If Smart is part of the deal you still get that veteran leadership that Jrue provides anyway.

Jrue is in his prime and deserves to be on a team that has a chance to reach the finals. If we can get a nice lil load for him that'd be great

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Originally Posted by donato

You guys are crazy. He's 29 and doesn't ultimately fit our timeline. I'd take Brown, Smart and the Memphis pick and be very happy about it. Or, Brown, the Memphis pick and two firsts this year. If Smart is part of the deal you still get that veteran leadership that Jrue provides anyway.

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I know people act like Jrue is 24 or something I like Jrue but come on man in two years he won’t have much value and we’re not winning anything for a couple of years build your assets while you can


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Originally Posted by riot.

Jrue is in his prime and deserves to be on a team that has a chance to reach the finals. If we can get a nice lil load for him that'd be great

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Jrue ''deserves'' to get what he wants. If he wants to be traded and go to a team to contend, then I don't think anyone would have an issue with moving him. If he wants to stay, which right now it seems that he does, then he deserves to stay.

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Originally Posted by MistaWhoDat

I know people act like Jrue is 24 or something I like Jrue but come on man in two years he won’t have much value and we’re not winning anything for a couple of years build your assets while you can


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This. I am still trying to find any type of statement saying that Jrue wanted to be the leader of the team. He’s a lead by example type of guy for sure but not very vocal. Also, does he even workout with the team in the offseason?

He openly admitted that one of the main reasons he resigned with us was to play with AD. Just because he is the highest paid player on the team doesn’t mean he wants to or should be the leader of the team. That has to come from within and he has to be all in. If he did want to be traded, i am sure he would do everything in his power to not let it out so that we can deal him at the highest value when the time comes. If word got he was touchable then he loses appeal just like that. I’m not saying i want him traded for the sake of being off of the team but of we can get a younger player that also has some experience ,leadership traits, and all star potential.. then why not?


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This is simple guys. The Celtics were not willing to give up Tatum for Ad... so there is no way the hive him up for Jrue. In my mind. There is nobody else on their team worth Jrue.... so.... HARD PASS!!

I think 'Hard Pass' is the most popular phrase on this board...so yeah, hard pass.

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Originally Posted by Sleeper

This. I am still trying to find any type of statement saying that Jrue wanted to be the leader of the team. He’s a lead by example type of guy for sure but not very vocal. Also, does he even workout with the team in the offseason?

He openly admitted that one of the main reasons he resigned with us was to play with AD. Just because he is the highest paid player on the team doesn’t mean he wants to or should be the leader of the team. That has to come from within and he has to be all in. If he did want to be traded, i am sure he would do everything in his power to not let it out so that we can deal him at the highest value when the time comes. If word got he was touchable then he loses appeal just like that. I’m not saying i want him traded for the sake of being off of the team but of we can get a younger player that also has some experience ,leadership traits, and all star potential.. then why not?


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This is one of those times where a quick google could solve your problems.

https://www.thebirdwrites.com/2019/5...n-coach-mike-g

''A stronger, more able-bodied Holiday is a frighteningly good development for an organization that has recently been riding a tidal wave of positive emotion. In addition, you’ll be happy to learn that Holiday is ready to be the face of the franchise.

“In terms of his role in embracing of being the face of the franchise and those types of phrases, I think he embraces it,” said Guevara. “I think that he is very excited to be that guy. He’s a quiet leader. But he’s a leader nonetheless and guys respect him. When he does talk and speaks up, people listen. If the keys to the car are being handed to him, I think he’s ready to take the car for a spin and be the leader of the franchise, doing what he has to do to put us on the next level. ''

Guevara of course, is Jrue's personal trainer, and also a Performance Consultant for the Pelicans. He trains Jrue in the summers. This summer, Jrue's also there working out with Frank Jackson, Stanley Johnson, and AD.

https://www.theadvocate.com/new_orle...3b13c5e7f.html

''This is Holiday’s team, no matter who comes back to New Orleans in exchange for Davis. It’s a notion that never occurred to him previously, but admittedly it excites him now. [...]

It’s a major responsibility. And one Holiday is eager to shoulder.

“I’m going to go with it,” Holiday told The Advocate. “I’m excited to run with it. I guess I’d like to be more involved with decisions and decision-making moving forward.'' [...]

“Me and (coach Alvin) Gentry have a good relationship, and I can talk to him anytime. I’d like to have my opinion heard, and from there they can make the decision that they make. I want to help and I want to make this the best place it can be and I think I can help everyone.

Holiday said if management had asked him before, he would've been happy to help. Pelicans brass went instead to Davis.

"And that really makes sense when you think about it,' Holiday said, "but I guess that’s changing now.”''

I’d do is it for Tatum and draft picks through 2030

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Originally Posted by riot.

Jrue is in his prime and deserves to be on a team that has a chance to reach the finals. If we can get a nice lil load for him that'd be great

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And a BOS team losing Kyrie, Horford, and then trading away Brown, Smart and picks isn't going to the finals.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Jrue ''deserves'' to get what he wants. If he wants to be traded and go to a team to contend, then I don't think anyone would have an issue with moving him. If he wants to stay, which right now it seems that he does, then he deserves to stay.

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This is not how smart organizations operate. Holiday has been a class act and a really good player, but what has he accomplished to earn this level of respect? We should trade him when it's best for the team.

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

This is not how smart organizations operate. Holiday has been a class act and a really good player, but what has he accomplished to earn this level of respect? We should trade him when it's best for the team.

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Smart organisations don't keep around all-star level players who are under contract at reasonable value for multiple seasons who have also expressed a desire to stay here and provide veteran leadership during a period of rebuilding?

We sure they don't do that?

Absolutely sure?

That would be SO hilarious. They refuse to trade for AD, but trade for Jrue instead. I mean, yeah. Jrue is under a very reasonable contract for longer than one season. So could understand it. But the idea of us maybe sending them Jrue and Ingram and getting Tatum anyway?

I'd almost be down with such a crazy move.

Almost. In like...some alternate dimension.

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Originally Posted by Eman5805

That would be SO hilarious. They refuse to trade for AD, but trade for Jrue instead. I mean, yeah. Jrue is under a very reasonable contract for longer than one season. So could understand it. But the idea of us maybe sending them Jrue and Ingram and getting Tatum anyway?

I'd almost be down with such a crazy move.

Almost. In like...some alternate dimension.

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It is theoretically possible to do both. In the multiverse!

I don’t agree at all we can’t win now and Jrue is a huge part of that. We already have so much talent ready to breakout to go along with a potential rookie of the year in Zion. We don’t want to surround Zion with a bunch of young kids who are playing for their next contract. Nothing wrong with having some youth but not an entire team of kids under 22 years old. I think Jrue is the perfect NBA vet to have bringing along guys like Zion, Ingram, Lonzo, and whoever else we bring in. Jrue is someone who will be worth every penny of his deal throughout the entirety of it if he stays healthy and he is also someone we can resign to a hometown deal around age 31-32 with a team that should be a very real contender. Kyle Lowry is 33 years old and just helped win a title for the Raptors as their 3rd best player and very important piece. IMO Jrue is a better all around guard then Lowry and has a skill set that can play at a high level for a long time. Jrue as our 3rd best piece and this teams a real contender. That’s a very real possibility in the near future and their is also no telling what types of moves we make to improve this team before the season. He could be one of those stars who develops a very good 3pt shot later in their career as well helping extend his career and if he gets some better running mates I see his 3pt shot taking strides not having to create so much different finally having help. Jrue is not someone we should just think about helping us for the next 2+1 but more like the next 5+ years.

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Originally Posted by Eman5805

That would be SO hilarious. They refuse to trade for AD, but trade for Jrue instead. I mean, yeah. Jrue is under a very reasonable contract for longer than one season. So could understand it. But the idea of us maybe sending them Jrue and Ingram and getting Tatum anyway?

I'd almost be down with such a crazy move.

Almost. In like...some alternate dimension.

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IMO Ingram is and will be the better player then Tatum but I guess we will see. So for me it would make 0 sense since I wouldn’t trade them straight up. I also think Ingram compliments Zion better in many different ways similar to RJ at Duke. I’m a huge fan of both Tatum and Ingram but jmo following them both so closely since Duke Ingram is far more gifted with a higher ceiling while Tatum might be the safer pick to some which I’m not so sure of.

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Doing it now!! Can’t believe I left it for so long after becoming my 2nd most hated NBA player behind Lebron and now with the Lakers I think they are even with AD possibly having a slight edge. His statement that he’s willing to play for 29 other teams and just wants to win is where I lost all respect. I completely understand wanting to go to LA after giving NOLA it’s shot. I completely understand sticking fully 100% with it even after landing Zion with Lebron being his all time favorite and idol growing up. Just wanted honesty and telling me 29 other teams are better to be at right now then with us while also only giving your teammates 3 quarters of basketball did it for me. Can’t wait to watch every Lakers game! To think I have always watched Lebron already just to see him lose which was largely a reason I got NBA League Pass.. haha!!
It was almost as good watching him lose as it was watching the Pelicans win.. Now you throw in AD!? It’s gonna be very close to a Pels win!! Hahaha!!

Jrue is awesome and respect him as a player and person, but acting like he is untouchable is just silly business.

I'd trade Jrue if I knew I could get an elite scorer to play next to Lonzo in the backcourt (Beal, etc.).

Lonzo and Jrue are an elite defensive pairing but lacking in offense.

I think in evaluating are current roster we are confusing shooting and scoring or offense.

Last year's Pels roster proved that you can be a top level scoring team without being a top level shooting team. Pace and getting to the rim can generate a lot of scoring on a team level. Modern analytics stresses three point shooting, but it also stresses lay ups, dunks and shots inside 5'. I think with Lonzo and Jrue running, driving and assisting to Ingram, Zion and others, we'll be a good scoring team even if we are a mediocre team from the arc. This year I'd aim to be around league average from distance and see what happens. We do have Moore and Miles on the roster, both pretty good from distance.

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Originally Posted by GameBreaker

Jrue is awesome and respect him as a player and person, but acting like he is untouchable is just silly business.

I'd trade Jrue if I knew I could get an elite scorer to play next to Lonzo in the backcourt (Beal, etc.).

Lonzo and Jrue are an elite defensive pairing but lacking in offense.

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They are lacking in scoring, not offense

The only way I see this happening is in a three team deal that nets us Beal.

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