Let’s start here. Trade one Holiday for two Holidays. Double the fun! Plus I’ll throw in Turner
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=tpctj4o
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Let’s start here. Trade one Holiday for two Holidays. Double the fun! Plus I’ll throw in Turner
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=tpctj4o
C’mon I’m giving you Turner too! What do you think Pelicanidae?
Today’s trade!
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=tbp8sjm
Here's one bound to infuriate everyone.
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=u6s5c4p
And oddly, this one works too.
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=wmnnwse
Oh yeah that's a spicy one. Overall it's not good enough for me to get on board with as a hot-take thing, I loathe to lose Jrue and Love's contract for 4 years when he really needs to be at positions that would yank Zion and Hayes around isn't acceptable to me, but I do enjoy the idea of Fox on the team. Spicy.
I actually came across that one while trying to come up with a deal to reacquire Heild, but his deal has a poison pill in it and I never could make it work. So I pivoted to one in which the Pels get Fox and adding Love worked out. In my mind, the Pels somehow got the 2020 Cleveland draft pick without restrictions, but I don't think the NBA allows that within the rules since the Pels already got it in the Lakers deal with protections.
The second one I did was absurd and no one would do it. It unites Jrue with his brothers in Indiana and the Pels end up with Brandon Clarke :D, Myles Turner and one year of Iguodala.
https://tradenba.com/trades/wmMYUI4eT
Here's a last-minute one, posted at 11:58pm on New Year's Eve, that will make the majority of this board hate me. It is purely for the intent of being spicy, and I will relish it being my last take of 2019. It is intensely on brand.
Reading this thread makes me miss Hornets Guru and his wild trades.
Oh you want a wild trade, huh?
https://tradenba.com/trades/Vf6WU6zgD
This trade doesn't technically work for a few weeks because Siakam's not eligible to be traded until January 19th, but this is a trade that is simultaneously wild beyond belief and also mathematically legal.
Point God. Thunder went 11-4 in December lmao https://t.co/HxFkGcUy2N
— Shamit Dua (@FearTheBrown) January 1, 2020
Also trade for CP3
We haven't lost a single game all year and Dae in here trying to ship out Ingram. ;)
Lel
Slain by my own dad joke!
Here is an easy one
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=qlax9eu
JMO not supported by anything tangible....and people ain't gonna like it.
I feel like the trade is going to be mostly youth and picks (and filler vets) for a seasoned all-star. Like the Boogie deal. Hopefully mostly picks but I'm thinking NAW and Jackson are more likely to go than Jrue. I could even see Hayes leaving if the player we are getting back is a C. I can see Ball being included only if it's for a PG.
This team has more youth talent than we can ever get on the court and a king's ransom of picks. We could get rid of half the picks and a padawan or two and still be incredibly set for the future. I know I've been preaching the "patience, this team needs to build continuity blah blah blah" stuff ad nauseam but if you add an all-star to this lineup without losing a core member PLUS Zion cames in fast....we would be ready to compete this season AND still have the picks to keep the dynasty refreshed for a decade.
We just need to stay with in striking distance in the standings and wait for a team to start realizing they need to unload their all-star for picks and hope.
Nah, I think you're right. Not necessarily with Hayes, I feel like the team is extremely high on him and wouldn't move him unless it was for another long-term, high quality piece (KAT, for example? Obviously Hayes alone wouldn't make that trade happen, I'm just talking as a piece) rather than shifting him for some 30 year old decent C with 2 years left on his deal.
But yes, I feel like there's potential to move a pick and guys like Frank Jackson, Lonzo Ball, Jahlil Okafor, Josh Hart, etc; that is, guys who are relatively early into their careers and aren't big impact players but who someone out there might want to take a swing on, in order to consolidate them for a vet.
Similarly to your logic, I think that it's more likely we trade guards than forwards or bigs. Simply put, we have too many guards and many of them are vying for minutes with each other, whereas we're fairly thin at the forward and centre slots. It's more likely we do some kind of deal that sends 2 guards out to consolidate them into a single figure, whether another guard or not, than we start shifting what little depth we have in the other positions.
Obviously this is all just speculation, no insider information or anything, but it seems to make some degree of sense to me.
Yeah, that all makes sense. Good point about the bigs.
You guys and this break have my head swimming now....being able to add KAT or Lillard.....even a short term CP3 for Ball and young prospects and picks.....
CP3
Jrue
Ingram
Zion
Favors
A bench of JJ, Hayes, Kenny Hustle, Jah.....that's dangerous if CP3 stays healthy. KAT or Lillard instead would be insane.
I could also us doing a much smaller deal....like a role player and future assets for Aldridge. Even just that....a starting lineup of Ball, Jrue, Ingram, Zion, Aldridge with Favors and JJ getting serious minutes wouldn't be favorites but that could actually be a darkhorse championship team.
As teams start losing hope, our options become plentiful. Looking at the current standings, I could see a lot of teams that may want to off great players for assets.
I mostly agree with this, although I would say that a Lillard trade is a pipe-dream. IMO, Lillard wants to stay in Portland and I don't think Portland would ever really consider moving him. They might consider moving McCollum, but he's a tier down from Lillard and tbh I don't even know if they want to move either of them; they're both fan favourites, and although they're never going to win a ring with that pair as their 2 guys there is something to be said for putting out a reliable, +.500 team every year for the fans.
I wouldn't trade future assets for Aldridge at all. He's not a great player anymore, he's taken visible steps back that also translate to the advanced stats (he's a net negative on both O-PIPM and D-PIPM this year, for example) and he's on contract for $24m next year as well. No use throwing future assets away to a team in your own conference for such a short term move that might not even be a particularly advantageous move anyway.
Yeah. I don't dabble with the trade stuff much because I have never quite grasped the values of expiring contracts, etc. I am used to the NFL where it feels just a little more straight up "you want this player, they are worth this _____".
And then when a trade does actually happen in the NBA, they usually look more lopsided towards one team over the other way more than I would have ever predicted.
if the front office is going with gentry for next season then you trade okafor for a stretch big that can play against big centers and can start if favors cant play....zion,,favors and hayes are not going to be enough at the 4 and 5....
maybe its me but since lonzo has been playing more and holding down the point,,jrue has looked real comfortable at off guard and playing better lately with lonzo making the decisions at the point....i believe it kills jrue game when he has to run the point so i dont want him to do it and just be selfish at off guard by scoring.....so i think we need a vet that gentry will trust to backup lonzo so those 2 can handle point duty...
gentry dont trust naw and okafor plays against big centers..so to me thats our weak spots on this team so if we can fill those 2 spots by moving okafor and miller and keeping everyone else then i believe we can win a playoff round with that depth at those 2 positions....
Think Bulls would this trade with a couple 2nds included? A first? Not at all?Attachment 6514
I think the Bulls are a good candidate for our trade partner but I'm thinking they'll want more assets to grow on plus.....
If I did my math rigth, we have 9 or 10 first round picks and 12 or 14 second rounders in the next seven drafts depending on where Cleveland lands this year......that's a ton. I certainly don't want to just give the picks away. But we have a lot to work with.
Right now it looks like Cleveland will keep their 1st......so nine 1st rounders and fourteen 2nds. Is that right?
Some think KAT is ready to leave Minny. Is that a running we want to get in?
That would be so cool...but expensive.
This is what a T-Wolves beat writer thinks they'll get: https://dunkingwithwolves.com/2019/1...de-offers/amp/
Now that's biased....but D Russel and three 1sts, Randle/Morris and SIX 1st, or SGA/S Adams and three 1sts.
Wow. I guess he is a talent with four years left on his contract....but just wow. Is that realistic?
So going off of just that, to compete we would have to go with, what, Hayes/Jah/Moore and four 1sts? Possibly even NAW.
But we WOULD be trotting out:
Ball
Jrue
Ingram
Zion
KAT
With a bench of JJ, Favors, Hart, K Hustle......to me that is title contending. And we would still have five 1sts over the next 7 years.
Or is that how we lose Jrue?
Depends what their asking price is. It's got to be high, he's still got years and years left on his deal. If I'm Griff, I'm definitely looking into it, KAT is a top 20 player and his ability to space the floor would be invaluable next to Zion, but it's also not something I'd want to go overboard.
As MSU said, if they want D Russell + 3 1sts then from us, that pretty much maps onto Jrue + 3 1sts, and that's a little rich for my tastes.
Edit: I should also add that I wouldn't be surprised if Minnesota asked for Zion in any KAT trade, and if they did I would immediately hang up.
Here's what Bleacher Report thinks KAT would net....
https://syndication.bleacherreport.c...towns.amp.html
Timberwolves Receive: PF John Collins, SF Cam Reddish, SG Kevin Huerter, SG Allen Crabbe, 2020 first-round pick (lottery-protected via Brooklyn Nets), 2022 1st-round pick (lottery-protected via Oklahoma City Thunder)
Hawks Receive: C Karl-Anthony Towns
Timberwolves Receive: F Jayson Tatum, F Gordon Hayward, SG Carsen Edwards, C Robert Williams III, 2020 first-round pick (lottery-protected)
Celtics Receive: C Karl-Anthony Towns, C Gorgui Dieng
Timberwolves Receive: PG Spencer Dinwiddie, SF Caris LeVert, C Jarrett Allen, SG Joe Harris, 2020 1st-round pick (lottery-protected via Philadelphia 76ers)
Nets Receive: Karl-Anthony Towns
See, these seem like far too rich for my blood. Especially that Hawks trade, yikes.
Also, the Hawks have some pretty big defensive issues as it is, I love the idea of trading Reddish (who has potential as a defender at least, I do not buy his upside on O), and Huerter (a decent team defender) for KAT, who is notoriously not very good on defense. Trae Young + KAT combo would absolutely die on every PnR set in the league :hihi:
The link doesn't have the trade in it.
Yeah. Just like us with AD, they may have to take a package that is more weighted with picks if teams don't want to part with stars.
Playing Devil's Advocate to that, to trade KAT for young prospects and picks would be like starting a whole rebuild. They may not be at that point yet. But who is?
Trade of the night
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yx3ejcqb
Cmon back Randle
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=vdcegg8
I thought this was going to be for at least realistic or semi-realistic proposals.
PELS receive CP3
OKC receive Jrue Holiday, Lonzo Ball, Okafor and Pelicans 2021 first round pick
What about that?
Josh Hart can play SG
Let Hart and Redick share minutes at SG
Re-sign Favors and Ingram.
Paul, Redick, Ingram, Zion, Favors
Off the bench: Hart, NAW, Hayes
IMO we need an elite pg. Paul is going to be good for a long time. We should slowly bring Zion into the mix and try to make a run to get the 8th seed. Long term plan should be to find a younger PG to eventually be the starter and to develop our young guys, NAW, Zion, Hayes...
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The majority of these trades are always for the splashy move. The move that immediately makes us better tomorrow. Rarely is it for someone of a level with Jahlil Okafor or Kenny Hustle. Someone undervalued who fits our scheme and team personality better.
What if it was Lonzo, Moore, Miller, Okafor, our 1st next year ( which I’m not really liking the draft all that much) and 2 lakers firsts for Towns and diop? They save a bunch of money, build around Ball, Culver, and Wiggins, and still can move Covington for additional pieces or a first. Teague could be moved as an expiring as well at the deadline to pick up possibly a couple 2nds or even a first if they take back some salary.
We roll out
Jrue, NAW
JJ, Hart, DiDi
Ingram, Diop
Zion, Kenrich (diop and Ingram can play small ball 4)
Towns, Favors, Hayes
We keep our good veteran/youth mix and still have our seconds to move other pieces around if needed
I wouldn’t mind throwing a couple seconds and Frank Jackson for Ntilkina. Prob butchered his name but think he could give us a good bit of what Lonzo would have given us for hopefully a fraction of the cost.
If you trade away a 2021 first round pick that has any potential at all to be top 10, you deserve to be beaten with a sock filled with soap. The 2021 draft is a hugely promising one, with a bunch of very very intriguing prospects. Cade Cunningham, for example, is in that draft. Evan Mobley, Usman Garuba, for some other names.
In any case, nah, I'm not going in for any trade that requires putting 3 firsts on the table, especially not one that involves us absorbing cap dumps. That's a short term move imo, without thinking about us down the line.
If we trade our 2020 pick we still have our 2021 pick because of rule that you can’t trade consecutive years. Plus I think towns resell value would be high for multiple years barring injuries, and maybe we could use him to move up to grab one of those elite type players. I doubt you could get a good return on players we want to move and still keep players we want (Zion/Ingram). The other thing is every year the drafts seems to be good and as the year plays out the players draft stock falls. I think of it as grabbing a good player or good assets. Imagine someone like golden state trading their number 1 pick for towns which I think would happen.