It’s pretty self explanatory. Do you fire him, and if not why, if so, who do you replace him with?
It’s pretty self explanatory. Do you fire him, and if not why, if so, who do you replace him with?
I voted yes, and I would look for someone like Portland Assistant David Vanterpool, Toronto Assistant Adrian Griffin, or Jerry Stackhouse.
Of course I voted yes.
I still think we should go Becky Hammon, however I would be open to us interviewing basically anyone. My requirements are fairly simple:
1) Doesn't have a pre-existing massive losing head coaching record
2) Is younger than 55
3) Preferably comes from, or has worked in, a winning organisation.
Which leaves a lot of names. Some others on this board have named Jamahl Mosley, from the Mavs, for example, and while I don't know much about him he would fit the requirements as listed above so why not bring him in to interview?
I vote yes, Mark Jackson.
You are beating a dead horse. He does not want to come here.
https://clutchpoints.com/nets-rumors...-coaching-job/
Atkinson would be a good fit
From a fundamental standpoint my requirements are the following:
1. Young enough time relate to all these kids
2. Can develop players. Our roster is super young. Player development is key.
3. Can recognize momentum. Young players go on streaks and tend to be emotional. The next coach needs to be able to play the kids accordingly.
If we can accomplish that. I think we can be successful.
Atkinson - Seems like a Monty Williams 2.0. Great developer, but poor rotations and can get out coached.
Becky Hammon.... Is there anything more that I can say
Complete Unknown... That is how great coaches are found.
Bobby Hurley
Jordi Fernandez
Dave Joerger.
If ownership and management are serious about winning I don't know how you justify keeping Gentry. Honestly I don't know why they thought he should have survived Griffin's hiring.
Still don't know why they gave him an extension but you can't double down on a mistake.
If you blow up the roster around Zion and Ingram he's fine I guess but if next year means anything to you Gentry can't be the coach.
My view is that it's fine for the front office to make mistakes. Nobody bats a thousand, every front office you can name has at least a few mistakes. The question is whether they can accept those mistakes and move on, or whether they double down or repeat.
A lot of people argued that while Gentry wasn't the coach of the future, it was fine to keep him on for this season given how much turnover there was in the front office and on the roster; a little continuity couldn't hurt, they said, and I understood that. There is something to be said for that.
We've now seen that it has amounted to nothing. The continuity has not helped, or offset the turmoil elsewhere. Now is the time where the decision gets made seriously: keeping Gentry on was the wrong choice, do we learn from that and move on, or do we double down and keep him? If we double down, that's where it starts being a black mark on the FO. If we let him go, then it's just a case of learning from a mistake; anyone can do that.
Whatabout promoting Fred Vinson? Be bold.
Regardless of what happens, id try to keep him around tho I think he's gotten popular lately.
At this point I want some barely known college coach or NBA assistant.
No more re-treads.
I'm not interested in lue
J kidd Meh
Kenny Atkinson should get a look
I just read the article suggesting that if the Pels move on from Gentry, Lue and Kidd would be the top candidates. My first reaction was that I hoped not. I think I kind of like the list UNO Gracias has. Stackhouse has some appeal, but I think I could be happy with a top assistant or Vinson.
Clearly one of those coaches agents *cough* Kidd *cough* put out a request Woj obliged so he can keep getting inside info.
There is little appeal in hiring Lou because he is nothing without Lebron. Hell, the dude got ******** canned 6 games into his 4th season in Cleveland because Lebron was no longer there to keep his job safe.
Kidd and Gentry and just different ends of a failing spectrum. Get some new blood, not some favored nation coach.
Why not go after Will Wade, he fields a well rounded team, and he knows how to coach paid players.
Bobby Hurley.
I actually like Jordi Fernandez and Dave Joerger too. But the more I think about it, Hurley would be my first choice.
The few college coaches who have made the jump recently have found success. I think college coaches now are built differently than in the era when Pitino, Cal, and Lon Kruger came into the NBA.
At any rate, just don’t sell me a retread who struggled before and then tell me “this time it’s going to be different.” If the franchise wants to kill whatever goodwill they have then go ahead and hire Kidd, Lue, Fizdale, Jorgensen, etc.
It seems College coaches recently know their limits. John Beeline didn’t know his, but several other college coaches have been approached for NBA jobs, and they have all decided to stay in the college game.
Title winning coaches of the last 20 years, and what they were doing their stops before taking the big seat:
Nick Nurse- Dwayne Casey’s Assistant, head coach in G-League (coach of the year)
Steve Kerr- Exec with the Suns
Ty Lue- Doc River’s Assistant
Gregg Popovich- Larry Brown’s Assistant, Spurs GM
Erik Spoelstra- Pat Riley’s Assistant (he was the Heat’s shooting coach credited with helping DWade’s shot)
Rick Carlisle - Head Coach of the Indiana Pacers and Detroit Pistons
Phil Jackson- Head Coach of the Bulls
Doc Rivers- Head Coach of the Orlando Magic
Larry Brown- Head Coach of the 76ers, Pacers, Clippers, Spurs, Nets, Nuggets, Kansas, UCLA
Ty Lue is in that group for a reason (solid head coach, Lebron James, David Blatt, etc.) so who knows, maybe he can be a Phil Jackson and win it all again with a new teams.
Rick Pitino
Lon Kruger
Reggie Theus
Fred Hoiberg
Leonard Hamilton
Mike Montgomery
John Calipari
John Beilein
In any case, my point isn't that you CANT hire a college coach because they're all bad. My point is just that a coach being decent in college isn't enough for me to see them as an NBA coaching candidate. If you're going to suggest a college coach, I'd like to know what it is about them in particular that makes you think they'll be able to put it together at the next level.
** In just two years at Buffalo, he took them to the NCAA Tournament for the first time ever.
** Perennially, a second division team in PAC 12, ASU has been transformed into conference contender in just three years and if not for COVID outbreak, would have made the NCAA Tournament for the third consecutive year (the first time since the 60's)
** Emphasizes defense (for Pelicans fans...that's what you play when the other team has the ball)
** Disciplinarian who gives players leeway, but holds them accountable.
** No greater basketball pedigree available (his dad is one of only a handful of High School coaches in Springfield...Coach K's name speaks for itself)
** Duke connection (He helped recruit Trajan Langdon to Duke)
My take: Since we have no genius at point guard, Hurley's counsel is sorely needed. If you don't have someone who knows how to drive, what good is it to own a Lamborghini.
Okay, now do the list of all the NBA assistants or retreads that fail.
Over a long enough time span, the failure rate for NBA coaches is 98 percent. No matter where you get the coach from, they are far more likely to fail and get fired. But its always weird to me that this is overwhelmingly the narrative with college coaches when all backgrounds produce mostly failures. If there was a resume that led to success more often that not, every team would target that pathway. It's all a crap shoot. But it's impossible for fans to say "Heck, i never heard of Nick Nurse 3 years ago" or "yeah, I thought Dantoni's time had passed" etc
I get the need for something to talk about but over time I have learned to stop pretending I know which coach will be successful and which won't
It would be sad to see us run through the CP3/AD/Zion years (15 years) with nothing to show but one 2 second round exits.
Which is part of why I didn't dismiss anyone from that background, but rather just asked for the reasoning behind a given suggestion. Again, I'm not saying that a college coach cannot be successful in the NBA (obviously they can, there have been examples given already in this thread). What I am saying is that college success is not a guarantee of NBA success (which seems obvious to me) and therefore if you suggest a college coach I would like to know why you think they would be a good option.
Now you could easily ask why I want that explanation from college coaches and not, say, assistant coaches in the NBA, but the answer for that is simple: I know more about the arguments for NBA assistants than I do for college coaches and I'd like to see the explanations so that I know more going forward.
I don't think she's a slam dunk. No unproven Head Coach option is.
But as far as ''unproven'' people go, she's got a very strong argument.
- Successful professional career in the WNBA (6x all star, 4x all-WNBA team member)
- Comes from a historically successful coaching tree in the Spurs, which also produced figures like Budenholzer
- Won the Summer League Championship as head coach for the Spurs, and looked very good doing so
- Summer League success indicates at least some ability to connect with and motivate younger players, which we need
I also take the word of players into account when I hear it (which is admittedly not that often), and Pau Gasol wrote that article a while back which was just full of praise for Hammon. He didn't have to write that article, and Pau Gasol has played under numerous quality coaches and is himself a very sharp basketball mind, so that praise counts for something to me.
It seems like NBA players don't really kick into that superstar/dominant level until years 5 to 7. And that's being generous. I still think we're two to three yearsof mid to lower level playoff seeds and then in three to four seasons we can become the title contenders at the soonest. So I'd still be looking more to develop guys than have a coach that is all in on winning. That's as much as I got. You guys are way more knowledgeable about the other teams in the NBA and I know next to nothing about college ball. I'm just a Pels fan. Kinda dislike the NBA as a whole. Y'all's discussion on this has been pretty informative.
And that "development" strategy only holds if we decide to keep our assets. If we trade a good bit of those for a proven all-star, everything is completely different. So many paths we can go down. I am excited but also have no idea how this will shake out.
If they change coaches...
Any coach above 50 has to have skins on the wall. We can't settle for a 'Alvin Gentry Resume', no matter how many metric charts (s)he might bring to the interview. It's one thing to coach on paper and a whole other matter to coach on the court. (Atkinson has a lifetime .383 winning percentage...Fizzdale =.346)
Otherwise, let him/her be someone in their 40's (maybe even 30's) who has shown upward mobility throughout a career and not lived off the coat tails of others [Liu (LeBron's team) and Kidd (lifetime .471winning percentage)]. Must have the ability to communicate with 20 year-olds
Not a slam dunk. But her efforts winning the Summer League and ability to connect with players - because she is a fierce competitor won me over. Plus, Pop ain't going to put up with her just because she is a her.
PLUS, she'd pump some excitement into this franchise. Just like her attitude. Period. Female or not. 15 years of treading water with CP3/AD.Zion/BI and nothing to show for it. Again, I don't dive into the deeps weeds of basketball. Just watch/attend the games wanting my team to win.
I’m all for a first time head coach regardless asst nba coach or college. My only thing is go young and give them 3 years to grow together.
Becky Hammon is auditioning for the Pels head coaching job.
I vote for young assistant or college coach because the focus of this team should be player development.
Fire griffin if he doesn’t fire gentry
Like HART says: able to relate to kids, yet old and accomplished enough to have the respect of the veterans. Non other that the coach with highest winning percentage of any NCAA coach of all time at .830. He achieves this with the smallest student enrollment of any of the major teams against top tier competition. Probably going to take a 4 or 5 year, 25 million dollar deal for him to leave Gonzaga, but it will be worth it. MARK FEW
Hmmm Mark Few. I would be interested. Obviously he knows how to coach, and even more he knows how to get blood from a stone.
Do you think he could bring back Dan Dickau?