Stephen A.’s trade comments

I know AD is a top 5 all NBA talent, but would you do this trade?

Celtics get PF Davis, C Asik, C Ajinca

Pelicans get SF Tatum, PF Horford, PG Smart, 2018 Lakers 1st round pick (likely top 5)

I think Tatum will develop into a top 3 SF in the league which is a more valuable position plus considering AD’s injury history the trade is tempting.

This future lineup with a new coach looks like a contender

PG: Rondo/Smart
SG: Holiday/Moore/Jackson
SF: Tatum/Miller
PF: Horford/Hill
C: Cousins/Diallo

Plus 2018 top 5 pick

Throw in Kyrie and I’ll do it .


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In the hypothetical scenario that AD is traded (he won't be anytime soon), I don't think they would want an older win-now player like Horford, and I would hope they would either trade away Cousins or let him go to another team in free-agency, and fully embrace a youth-rebuild. Possibly trade away Holiday, too.

Either re-route Horford to a 3rd team for further picks and good, young players, or just let BOS keep Horford and just simplify it and make the trade Tatum, Brown, Morris, Smart, LAL/SAC pick, for AD.

I think Davis is obviously the best player in the trade, but the question is which team is better considering we don’t have a competent SF and AD only plays 60 games a season? Tatum looks to be a stud and Horford still gives us a top 10 PF in the league. I think it would take Brown as well for me to do it, but I wouldn’t give Tatum, Brown, and the first rounder if I am Boston. I don’t see the trade happening, and I am a big AD fan, but this team hasn’t been able to build a consistent contender. I think it’s because our lack of wing play and defense. We are purposely forcing either Boogie or Davis to play outside which is obviously not working on a consistent basis.

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Originally Posted by Darkhorse985

I think Davis is obviously the best player in the trade, but the question is which team is better considering we don’t have a competent SF and AD only plays 60 games a season? Tatum looks to be a stud and Horford still gives us a top 10 PF in the league. I think it would take Brown as well for me to do it, but I wouldn’t give Tatum, Brown, and the first rounder if I am Boston.I don’t see the trade happening, and I am a big AD fan, but this team hasn’t been able to build a consistent contender. I think it’s because our lack of wing play and defense. We are purposely forcing either Boogie or Davis to play outside which is obviously not working on a consistent basis.

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this is the point that matters. Meanwhile, we could add some cool depth players like Mirotic and Justin Holiday to help with the playoff push. Let's focus on that.

The trade would have to be more than Tatum, a mid lottery 1st, an aging star, and the right to overpay Smart this summer.

Tatum, Brown, and the Laker 1st plus whatever matching salaries. That's still being too generous to Boston.

Tatum, Brown, Morris plus the Celtics pick for AD

Boogie
Morris
Tatum
Brown
Jrue

Horford
Davis
Hayward
Smart
Kyrie

They get to keep the last of their Garnet haul but they have to bite the bullet on the Hayward signing and hope he comes back healthy. And hope a Irving/Davis/Hayward big 3 is enough. I personally think the Celtics have inevitability as it is and don't see why they need to make a big trade.

I still wouldn't do it but I think this is the closest you can come to making a fair AD trade.

I think people don't understand exactly how valuable a commodity AD is. He is, in my view, a top three talent in the NBA. That includes all the usual guys. He's better than Westbrook, he's better than Harden, he's better than Kawhi even. He's in that KD, LeBron, level of naturally gifted plus skill. Yes his defense is sometimes a bit suspect, but if you think that alone disqualifies him, then you must not be aware that LeBron doesn't play regular season defense for more than 30 games a year.

To trade a guy who could be the league's number one talent in a year or two (Durant's 30, Lebrons 33) for anything short of an absolute perfect kings ransom is just asinine to me.

I know the grass is always greener for fans, but trust me on this, that's what Boston fans are thinking too as they salivate over your HOFer.

And doing stuff like this is precisely how small market franchises can remain perpetual Washington Generals to the real professional franchises. You draft a HOF big man as a small market team, then you Dirk/Admiral/Duncan him. You don't even take phone calls. With perhaps some injury clause put in, you sign him to a 15 yr contract, with a no trade clause, and close the book on that position for a whole generation of franchise defining basketball, and then get to the more serious hard work of building a team around him.

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Originally Posted by Bricklayer

I know the grass is always greener for fans, but trust me on this, that's what Boston fans are thinking too as they salivate over your HOFer.

And doing stuff like this is precisely how small market franchises can remain perpetual Washington Generals to the real professional franchises. You draft a HOF big man as a small market team, then you Dirk/Admiral/Duncan him. You don't even take phone calls. With perhaps some injury clause put in, you sign him to a 15 yr contract, with a no trade clause, and close the book on that position for a whole generation of franchise defining basketball, and then get to the more serious hard work of building a team around him.

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Exactly!

Think what would have happened to the Spurs if Duncan had gone off to Orlando like he considered. They'd be Memphis now, at best.

To me no trades for AD should net us less than three firsts. I feel if your going to cripple my team value by giving away my best I want to cripple your future. Its only fair. First thing I am going to say, I want all of your #1's for the next 5 years. Then maybe I will negotiate down to 3. Then I want your current best young player. A vet on an expiring deal. Something like that....to start

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Originally Posted by Imnos 2

To me no trades for AD should net us less than three firsts. I feel if your going to cripple my team value by giving away my best I want to cripple your future. Its only fair. First thing I am going to say, I want all of your #1's for the next 5 years. Then maybe I will negotiate down to 3. Then I want your current best young player. A vet on an expiring deal. Something like that....to start

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Delete that profile pic

The trade would have to have

J brown
Tatum
2 1st

Minimum

Can't wait to see the Pelicans pulverize the Western Conference in the Playoffs this year.

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Originally Posted by jprdbulldog20

Delete that profile pic

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Sorry...oh wait....2009. We cool?

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Originally Posted by Imnos 2

Sorry...oh wait....2009. We cool?

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The heck's that supposed to mean?

You aren't one of those gullible types that bought into the Bounty scandal, were you?

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Originally Posted by Eman5805

The heck's that supposed to mean?

You aren't one of those gullible types that bought into the Bounty scandal, were you?

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And if they lose to the Eagles some how it'll be the saints fault lmao

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Originally Posted by Eman5805

The heck's that supposed to mean?

You aren't one of those gullible types that bought into the Bounty scandal, were you?

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I'm guessing it means that we beat them in 2009 and won the title, so we're kind of even.

A while back when we were struggling I had hoped Boston would take AD and we get all of those players that were mentioned. It just didn't seem as though this Pelicans team would be any good back then. Shoot... I was hoping we'd send AD to Boston and we could send Boogie to CLeveland for that Nets pick and more. The thought was we could clean the front office and staff, and get a ton of young talent and use the picks to bring in more young talent.

Since then my stance has changed... we're playing better now, and it seems as though we might even make SOME noise in the playoffs if we could stay out of the #7 or 8 seed.

Of course all of that hope could change with an injury or 2, but I'm for holding on to our superstars for now.

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Originally Posted by Joe Gerrity

I'm guessing it means that we beat them in 2009 and won the title, so we're kind of even.

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Two whole games left and there's no guarantees they win either of them.

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Originally Posted by Darkhorse985

I know AD is a top 5 all NBA talent, but would you do this trade?

Celtics get PF Davis...

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let me stop you right there.

NO!

Hey its all good. I don't believe in Karma or revenge or none of that foolishness that fans typically believe in. You win games you lose games. But there are certain dudes you root for and certain dudes you root against. I don't root against the Saints. Don't care. But I do root against Payton. He isn't a professional. 2009 wasn't about y'all beating us. It was about your coach allowing dirty play. This dude taunting the rb in that Falcons game and him being unprofessional and disrespectful towards the Vikings fans. I just don't respect the guy. Ill take the W. And we may lose this week or next. Its a real possibility. But I have been a long suffering Vikings fan. And a long suffering Hornets/Pelicans fan. Too much disappointment. This win seemed like a we finally got a win against the odds. And I'm going to enjoy it regardless of what happens Sunday.

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Originally Posted by Eman5805

The heck's that supposed to mean?

You aren't one of those gullible types that bought into the Bounty scandal, were you?

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Hey its no worse than Cowboys fans here in DFW saying that the NFL "felt sorry for the Saints" and "GAVE" them the Super Bowl due to Katrina. I've heard that so many times... I thought Cowboys fans were idiots, but its been confirmed.

We could land Tatum, Brown, and the high draft picks, but if Gentry is still the coach we might as well have Keith Sweat, Richard Dumas, and a some 2nd rounders sent our way, because we don't have the staff in place to get the max potential out of those guys. Boogie, AD, and Jrue, are performing well in spite of Gentrys system.

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Originally Posted by Imnos 2

2009 wasn't about y'all beating us. It was about your coach allowing dirty play.

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100% incorrect. That is just a weak excuse. "Boutygate" was all about the NFL needing a scapegoat when all the concussion lawsuits were happening. It was actually proven that the Saints had much less injuries in their games that the NFL average. There was no proof of intent to injure and the "pools" that the Saints had in the locker room were rampant in the NFL as verified by many NFL players for many teams (including the Vikings).

Lulz, that guy forgot that the Vikings had a Bounty program as well.
https://deadspin.com/brett-favres-vi...too-1788188711

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On September 8, 2008, a year before Brett Favre would join the organization, the Minnesota Vikings traveled to Lambeau Field to face the Green Bay Packers. Aside from being Aaron Rodgers’s debut as a starter, the game was noteworthy for its physicality and aggressiveness. In the first half alone, the teams combined for 12 penalties for 86 yards. It was a sloppy, messy, nasty affair, and in the days and weeks following the Packers’ 24–19 win, Minnesota’s coaches stewed. After watching the tape, they were convinced that Nick Barnett, Green Bay’s outstanding linebacker, had gone out of his way to injure Adrian Peterson, the Vikings halfback.


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The rival franchises played again nine weeks later, and three days before kickoff a Minnesota coach stood up in a team meeting, mentioned Barnett by name, and said, “I will give $500 to anyone who takes this mother********er out of the game.”

This was hardly a shocking move in the Vikings’ locker room, where piles of money were regularly collected—then distributed as rewards—for injuring opposing stars. “It was part of the culture,” said Artis Hicks, a Minnesota offensive lineman. “I had coaches start a pot and all the veterans put in an extra $100, $200, and if you hurt someone special, you get the money. There was a bottom line, and I think we all bought in: you’re there to win, and if taking out the other team’s best player helps you win, hey, it’s nothing personal. Just business.”

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Kids these days, with their selective memories, and their Tide pods, and their dish washing machine music.

What if Demps doesn’t make any trades? I would die.

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Originally Posted by Rel11

What if Demps doesn’t make any trades? I would die.

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If he doesn't make any trades I would be fine. Unless he could get us Kemba, don't make any trades that would put future assets in someone else's hands. If we miss out on the playoffs Demps is most likely gone, so we don't want the new gm coming in with one arm already tied behind his back.

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

Lulz, that guy forgot that the Vikings had a Bounty program as well.
https://deadspin.com/brett-favres-vi...too-1788188711



Kids these days, with their selective memories, and their Tide pods, and their dish washing machine music.

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Yep that changes everything. Sean Payton is awesome! I'm a foolish hater...

It doesn't matter who did it. Its still wrong. Other teams deflated balls, other teams video taped or audio taped stuff they shouldn't have. Does it make what the Patriots did right? But you still hate on them dudes because of the fact that they have a habit of doing this stuff. They have a habit of making themselves into the bad guy. Its a pattern

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Originally Posted by Imnos 2

Yep that changes everything. Sean Payton is awesome! I'm a foolish hater...

It doesn't matter who did it. Its still wrong. Other teams deflated balls, other teams video taped or audio taped stuff they shouldn't have. Does it make what the Patriots did right? But you still hate on them dudes because of the fact that they have a habit of doing this stuff. They have a habit of making themselves into the bad guy. Its a pattern

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I didn't say that you were foolish, but if the shoe fits, lace that ********** up and wear it.

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Originally Posted by Imnos 2

Sorry...oh wait....2009. We cool?

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How does one become a Vikings and Pelicans fan in Maryland? Just curious

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

100% incorrect. That is just a weak excuse. "Boutygate" was all about the NFL needing a scapegoat when all the concussion lawsuits were happening. It was actually proven that the Saints had much less injuries in their games that the NFL average. There was no proof of intent to injure and the "pools" that the Saints had in the locker room were rampant in the NFL as verified by many NFL players for many teams (including the Vikings).

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Not to mention we never had a pool for injuring players, it was a "pay for performance" ie. interceptions, forced fumbles, etc. that they had a pool for, making that bountygate crap even more of a farce..

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Originally Posted by soggymoss

Not to mention we never had a pool for injuring players, it was a "pay for performance" ie. interceptions, forced fumbles, etc. that they had a pool for, making that bountygate crap even more of a farce..

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It is worth noting that the Saints more or less beat the system by trading away their first round pick the year before to move up and get Ingram. So they actually avoided the worst part of any potential penalty. Not saying it wasn't bs, of course.

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Originally Posted by jprdbulldog20

How does one become a Vikings and Pelicans fan in Maryland? Just curious

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LOL. I'm going throw even more craziness on it. I grew up in Cincinnati. But we didn't have a football team.

I once had a Reds, vikings, and Pelicans logo on my car with MD plates. People always were confused. My Reds logo fell off. So I'm down to two

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Originally Posted by DroopyDawg

Hey its no worse than Cowboys fans here in DFW saying that the NFL "felt sorry for the Saints" and "GAVE" them the Super Bowl due to Katrina. I've heard that so many times... I thought Cowboys fans were idiots, but its been confirmed.

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It's a common, low hanging fruit insult fans of other teams.

"Oh, that pity Super Bowl trophy the NFL gave you!"

Why on earth did they wait 4 seasons? And why not give us that pity Super Bowl instantly? So is Houston going to win a Super Bowl in the next four or five years?

I don't think people are factoring-in the pain and suffering we endured to even get AD. Trading him at this point regardless of who we get in return will kill this franchise. Forget that lousy tank season; forget his rookie season; forget we canned Monty after making the playoffs - presumably so another coach could take us past the first round; forget the trade for Cousins; forget 'Going Big'; forget everything and let's just start over. I'll support/watch because I like the game, but the average fan probably couldn't identify anyone they could offer in return that would excite them.

For goodness sake, we have two starters for the All-Star game - why are we even talking about this?

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Originally Posted by WildlifeAirGrp

For goodness sake, we have two starters for the All-Star game - why are we even talking about this?

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Because people love to argue.

AD is a franchise player you build around. I wish we would have built slowly instead of pushing it so fast but To me you don’t move AD until he wants to leave and if he did want to leave, it’d cost Tatum, Brown, Lakers pick and Memphis pick at min. I don’t want smart or horford. I’ll just keep and buyout Ajinca and Asik. You end up with 2 high picks the next 2 years with 2 good young players.